If you are absolutely certain God is a trinity, explains these scriptures
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As for the trinity doctrine in the OT. Literally the foundation of the Torah is the trinity doctrine and the entirety of the Bible, so once again if you reject the trinity doctrine you reject the Torah, and by consequence the entirety of the OT as well as the entirety of NT, and you reject God essentially because like a cult told you they thought they knew better, but they don't really know better, they're just going to end up in the hellfire.
Genesis 1:1-3
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Genesis 1:1-3
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
I hope you can understand why Jesus Christ was murdered, when He told the "establishment religion"; the leaders of Israel, the rulers of God's Temple, they did not know what they were talking about, they murdered Him. They could not trip Him up or give sound logical answers to His questions.
that time is coming again very soon, as Christ told His Disciples. If they will murder Me they will murder you, My words not a quote.
You have no idea how close to the return of the KING of Kings we are.
You are accusing me of being in a cult, because I follow the narrow path of Jesus Christ that only the few find and not the 40,000 paths of the confused. the 40,000 are around 2 billion.
so be it!
"As for the trinity doctrine in the OT. "
then explain why Jesus Christ came to reveal the Father to His disciples, if the Father and the Word and this ghost are in the O/T??
Jesus Christ IS the God in Old Testament times, Christ came to reveal the Father. Never is the Father spoken of in the O/T
Well they asked him if he was the Son of God and he told them that he was and that hereafter the Son of Man would sit at the right hand of God. The session of Christ is also another strong proof of the trinity doctrine. Just the fact that Jesus himself says he'd sit at the right hand of God (the session) and Stephen saying he sees Jesus standing on the right hand of God absolutely destroys the most common damnation-worthy heresy of modalism which is perhaps the most common of the damnation-worthy heresies in our time era.
Jesus is the living Word of God. Compare John 1 with Genesis 1. In Genesis 1 we see the Father create the universe by his Spirit and his Word. Thus there is one God in three persons, co-eternal and co-equal in majesty, which is the central premise of the trinity doctrine.
At this point I am going to let the Sons of God explain all of this to you when you are resurrected back to physical flesh and blood at the 2nd Resurrection. the 40,000 won't be around and neither will Satan.
You will find your answer here:
John 16:
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
The Holy Spirit is the epitome of that which is not proud or arrogant. And, He does not put Himself in the spotlight...
Because He procedes forth from the Father and testifies of Jesus. He doesn't draw attention to Himself. Instead, He makes much of the Father and Son. So those who were inspired to write by Him likewise would not testify of Him.
You are speaking to one who qualifies for Revelation 14, so if you think you will appeal to the 144,000 male virgin saints to uphold your heresy, you should probably think again. You will not pass the Judgment Day if you reject the trinity doctrine, it is not negotiable even if we were foolish enough to attempt it. Since the salvation of man depends on perfect faith in the Christian religion and the Christian religion has two unmovable pillars that are directly interconnected with eachother, which are the trinity doctrine and the Gospel account, you must abandon your cult and their heresies if you want to be saved. If you don't really want to be saved, well I mean then just stay with the cult. Happily for you, you are still alive so you have a theoretical chance to discard the cult and their heresies that are graded of the rank damnation-worthy, but the Christian verity compels to tell you the full truth and the full truth is if you don't discard the cult and a heresy this severe you will be discarded into the Lake of Fire with a guarantee that is certified literally by all the saints that ever lived whether they were virgins or not.
My comment:
When the KJV was created the translators created the term "ghost" as the Church of England held to the doctrine of a trinity and they needed to show it was different from the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament.
as these verses in the KJV use the term "HE' it points to a being. but they are not all the same word.
Going to Strong's lets see what it says about this word, He.
13 Howbeit when he (1565), the Spirit of truth, is come, he (3594) will guide you into all truth: for he (2980) shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he (191) shall hear, [that] shall he (2980) s peak: and he (312) will shew you things to come.
1565 ekeinos: that, that one, he, she, it
Original Word: ἐκεῖνος
Part of Speech: Demonstrative Pronoun
Transliteration: ekeinos
Pronunciation: eh-KAY-nos
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-i'-nos)
KJV: he, it, the other (same), selfsame, that (same, very), X their, X them, they, this, those
NASB: those, one, this, other, these, those things, very
Word Origin: [from G1563 (ἐκεῖ - there)]
3594 hodégeó: To lead, to guide, to show the way
Original Word: ὁδηγέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hodégeó
Pronunciation: ho-day-GEH-oh
Phonetic Spelling: (hod-ayg-eh'-o)
KJV: guide, lead
NASB: guide, guides
Word Origin: [from G3595 (ὁδηγός - guides)]
2980 laleó: To speak, to talk, to utter
Original Word: λαλέωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: laleó
Pronunciation: lah-LEH-oh
Phonetic Spelling: (lal-eh'-o)
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter
NASB: speak, speaking, spoke, spoken, speaks, saying, told
Word Origin: [a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
191 akouó: To hear, to listen, to understand
Original Word: ἀκούω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: akouó
Pronunciation: ah-KOO-oh
Phonetic Spelling: (ak-oo'-o)
KJV: give (in the) audience (of), come (to the ears), (shall) hear(-er, -ken), be noised, be reported, understand
NASB: heard, hear, hearing, listen, hears, listening, listens
Word Origin: [a primary verb]
The Bible is the word of God BUT, translators make mistakes and add meaning not in the Greek or Hebrew, I use Strong's and others
Example: the KJV uses "easter" a few times -- that word in Greek is Passover.
if this is the only scripture you have, it does not work for me.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
What's not included about Him?
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.../KJV
So, maybe you simply have not read the entire bible cover to cover, or all of the NT? It seems to me that how can God bring it to your "remembrance" if you never read it for yourself the first time? This is the book of John and Jesus speaks of the Holy Ghost teaching you (all) things after the Father sends Him to you...So I have an idea, ask the Holy Spirit and He will lead you into the truth about it.
This verse confirms this 'ghost' existence.
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Sorry, I began my study almost 60 year ago --- read my responses they are not from a novices.
why do all of you ignore the main question? why is this ghost not include in the ONE with the Father and Jesus Christ??
If the Godhead were three --- it has to be in the ONE, and it just ain't
If the Godhead were three --- it has to be in the ONE, and it just ain't
Posting various verb forms does not change who the 'he' is.
Well - whatever - to each his own I guess...
You need to learn that "it does not work for me" is totally meaningless in the realm of spiritual truth - you have to align yourself with God - He is not going to align Himself with you just because "it does not work for me"...
I meant to post this earlier, but was distracted by another thread and forgot to post it.
1 John 5:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 John 5:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Ah the phase where they strain for that gnat to swallow the whole camel to suggest that the Bible isn't faithfully translated because their heresy is not actually in line with the Bible. A classic cult tactic to make the heretical cult seem authoratative but that actually just reveals they are in fact deceived and in a cult.