If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

[Wall]

we could have a simple math quiz to detect if folks are able to put 2 + 2 together

if they come up with 3 or 5, we know they cannot connect the dots

Good idea. A math test.

MATT.12 [39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.

The above scripture says as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whales belly, and so shall Jesus be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. Does good Friday afternoon till (easter) Sunday morning equal 3 days and 3 nights?

 

[Wall]

A little scripture to help with the math

JOHN 11 [9] Jesus answered, ARE THERE NOT TWELVE HOURS IN THE DAY? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.[10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

 

[bud62]

Notice that you are somehow including New Moons now that I brought it up.

By the way, how are they going to be kept in your theology? If you are SDA, SDAs believe that the earth will be burned up and will lay barren during the 1000 year period. There won't be anyone there according to their theology..so who will be there to keep it?

If you read the Bible like a premillennial, the same Scriptures mention Sabbaths, New Moons, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood as being applicable during this period.

So, my point is that you are excluding those practices, and claiming they prove the weekly Sabbath is in effect today.

Your reasoning is inconsistent.

I have also noted that if you claim God sanctified a particular 24 hour segment of time and made it holy forever, then Sabbathkeepers are violating this anyways, because they keep the Sabbath from evening to evening, when it comes to them. Therefore, Sabbathkeepers are observing the Sabbath more like 36 hours rather than 24 hours, because somewhere around the world, someone is observing the Sabbath for 36 consecutive hours.

The other side of the world (antipode) from Israel is French Polynesia. French Polynesia is 12 hours different than Israel. If the Sabbath begins at Israel at 6 PM, then it will end in French Polynesia 36 hours later.

So, if you claim God only made a particular 24 hours holy, then you have issues once you get outside of Israel, because there is someone observing part of the Sabbath, even amongst Sabbathkeepers, on Sunday.

I don't think you'll be able to understand this, though. I am only explaining it for others.

Did you know that SDAs have produced very lengthy sections in books about "how to keep the Sabbath"? For instance, Ellen G. White demanded that men shine their shoes, and have their clothes sitting out ready to be put on for the Sabbath. No food could be cooked on the Sabbath, so their food had to be pre-cooked.

I don't have a big issue with someone thinking Saturday is the right day to observe, unless they start attacking others for their Sunday meetings, which is exactly what you are doing. There are a few groups of Sabbathkeepers who are not Judaizers, but you are definitely a Judaizer. You are claiming that nonobservers are following Roman Catholicism, and worshipping the Pope..blah, blah, blah. It's the same troglodyte approach that the Sabbathkeeping cult I belonged to followed.

They are like troglodytes, who stand at the mouth of their cave, and heave down boulders (insults) at others, and then run back in their cave and whine to their buddies about how they endured persecution for their valiant defense of " the truth".

That is exactly what the cultists I followed did. They feel free to insult others, and call them, in essence, followers of Roman Catholicism and the Pope, and then whined about being the "persecuted little flock" of Jesus.

It's hilarious when I think about it

And, "the truth", to them, is not Jesus and the gospel, as evangelicals would associate with the phrase.....it is their peculiar arrangement of beliefs, foremost of which is Sabbathkeeping and nutty stuff like investigative judgment, the sanctuary doctrine, annihilationism, conditional mortality, and their bazillion health laws which they call the "health gospel".

I am glad to be released from the delusions of Sabbath nuts.

THE NEW EARTH And the New heaven won't be till after the 1000 years in Heaven, The earth will be without form, and void; and the heaven, have no light, JEREMIAH 4:20-29 , I am GLAD to have LEARNED about GODs SABATH, I grew up going to Church on the Catholic FALSE sunday, Which is a WORK DAY according to GODs WORD. The seventh day is the only day that GOD has bless AND made HOLY, And think GOD for HIS HOLY DAY. I'm GLAD to KNOW about it.

 

[Laish]

Hey I have a question for you bud62
Concerning the sabbath. Up until recently the Jewish sabbath was measured from the rising of the sun on Jerusalem or the location of the Temple. The date line went westward from there .
In recent history man moved the international dateline out to the pacific so that it would not interfere with commerce ( money and its production) . So what about all those folks in Asia or Australia are they worshipping on the wrong day ? Is I the ok to use a man made construct ( international date line ) to determine the sabbath?
Blessings
Bill

 

[bud62]

Hey I have a question for you bud62
Concerning the sabbath. Up until recently the Jewish sabbath was measured from the rising of the sun on Jerusalem or the location of the Temple. The date line went westward from there .
In recent history man moved the international dateline out to the pacific so that it would not interfere with commerce ( money and its production) . So what about all those folks in Asia or Australia are they worshipping on the wrong day ? Is I the ok to use a man made construct ( international date line ) to determine the sabbath?
Blessings
Bill

The BIBLE tells us to celebrate the Sabbath FROM evening to evening, That is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. IF that is what you mean, I was not sure what you was talking about, GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[Laish]

The BIBLE tells us to celebrate the Sabbath FROM evening to evening, That is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. IF that is what you mean, I was not sure what you was talking about, GOD bless as HE sees fit

What I am talking about is a imaginary line in the Pacific Ocean one side it’s lets say Friday the other side it’s the sabbath. The Jews had it just east of Jerusalem so that The temple was where it started . Now for commerce reasons it’s in the middle of nowhere so a whole large area like Asia and Australia have the sabbath before Jerusalem all for commerce ( money ) I was wondering do they (those east of Jerusalem up to the imaginary line) have the correct day for the sabbath?
Blessings
Bill

 

[bud62]

What I am talking about is a imaginary line in the Pacific Ocean one side it’s lets say Friday the other side it’s the sabbath. The Jews had it just east of Jerusalem so that The temple was where it started . Now for commerce reasons it’s in the middle of nowhere so a whole large area like Asia and Australia have the sabbath before Jerusalem all for commerce ( money ) I was wondering do they (those east of Jerusalem up to the imaginary line) have the correct day for the sabbath?
Blessings
Bill

What man changes has nothing to do with how GOD SET thing up, We go by what thus says the WORD of GOD, And don't pay any attention TO what Man tries to CHANGE, For man can not change, what GOD says. Just like the Sabbath that man has tried to Change, that the BIBLE even tells us that the little horn would seek to Change, But all he could do, was to seek to change it, BUT couldn't change it. GOD has always had HIS Sabbath keepers, And away will.
GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[Laish]

What man changes has nothing to do with how GOD SET thing up, We go by what thus says the WORD of GOD, And don't pay any attention TO what Man tries to CHANGE, For man can not change, what GOD says. Just like the Sabbath that man has tried to Change, that the BIBLE even tells us that the little horn would seek to Change, But all he could do, was to seek to change it, BUT couldn't change it. GOD has always had HIS Sabbath keepers, And away will.
GOD bless as HE sees fit

That’s my point if the original is true then millions are actually worshipping on Friday and not the sabbath. If the current is correct then millions in the past were not worshipping on the sabbath.
Concerning the region I mentioned earlier.
So which one?
Blessings
Bill

 

[Jackson123]

ISAIAH says we will be keeping the SABBATH, the New earth and New Heaven

Sabbath is a rest

Matthew 11:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Is you come to Jesus you do sabbath, if you not come to Jesus you do not do sabbath, no matter if you work or not on Saturday.

You may not work on Saturday but if you don't have Jesus you don't have a rest.

Like animal sacrifice, sabbath law in ot is only shadow if jesus.

Did animal blood able to forgive your sin? It only shadow of Jesus blood.

There are people with depretion disorder, not work,physically but mentally they don't have a rest.

Their not worship God, but think about their problem.

If you have Jesus you always rest, you mind rest. It will rest in heaven and earth.

 

[Jackson123]

That’s my point if the original is true then millions are actually worshipping on Friday and not the sabbath. If the current is correct then millions in the past were not worshipping on the sabbath.
Concerning the region I mentioned earlier.
So which one?
Blessings
Bill

Why only worship once a week? Worship every day

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

THE NEW EARTH And the New heaven won't be till after the 1000 years in Heaven, The earth will be without form, and void; and the heaven, have no light, JEREMIAH 4:20-29 , I am GLAD to have LEARNED about GODs SABATH, I grew up going to Church on the Catholic FALSE sunday, Which is a WORK DAY according to GODs WORD. The seventh day is the only day that GOD has bless AND made HOLY, And think GOD for HIS HOLY DAY. I'm GLAD to KNOW about it.

Let me ask you the question..how will you know what 24 hours to observe in heaven?

Because, the Sabbath day is determined by being on a location on the earth.

I already pointed this out. If you are in Jerusalem, the Sabbath begins 12 hours before the Sabbath on French Polynesia (its antipode), and ends 12 hours before their Sabbath.

Which one is breaking the Sabbath? And, will you be working the other six days in heaven?

And, if God defined a 24 hour period of time as holy, why are Sabbatarians observing 36 hours as holy? Someone is "observing the Sabbath" according to SDA rules for 36 consecutive hours.

I have already explained that days and diet are elements of the Mosaic Law, so I won't repeat those comments.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

The BIBLE tells us to celebrate the Sabbath FROM evening to evening, That is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. IF that is what you mean, I was not sure what you was talking about, GOD bless as HE sees fit

So, are French Polynesian SDAs breaking the Sabbath? They observe the Sabbath starting 12 hours later than Jerusalem SDAs. And, their Sabbath ends 12 hours later than Jerusalem.

If God only sanctified, or set apart, one day at the creation, then French Polynesian SDAs are observing half of the Sabbath at the wrong time.

In fact, they are observing it on Sunday

 

[bud62]

Let me ask you the question..how will you know what 24 hours to observe in heaven?

Because, the Sabbath day is determined by being on a location on the earth.

I already pointed this out. If you are in Jerusalem, the Sabbath begins 12 hours before the Sabbath on French Polynesia (its antipode), and ends 12 hours before their Sabbath.

Which one is breaking the Sabbath? And, will you be working the other six days in heaven?

And, if God defined a 24 hour period of time as holy, why are Sabbatarians observing 36 hours as holy? Someone is "observing the Sabbath" according to SDA rules for 36 consecutive hours.

I have already explained that days and diet are elements of the Mosaic Law, so I won't repeat those comments.

The new heaven and the new earth is after the 1000 years in heaven, after GODs saints come back to the earth, In new Jerusalem when the city comes down on the earth, Rev 21:1-27

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

One other big issue with Sabbatarianism is their claim that God set apart one day out of every seven days at creation.

My position would be that he set apart this one day as different than others, and he did not set apart one day out of every seven at creation.

However, later, the day was given to ancient Israel. This was to point them back to their God as the creator, and to signify the rest that they were enjoying due to freedom from slavery to Egypt. The first six days were typological of the labor of Egypt, and the seventh day was an "oasis" of peace symbolizing their liberation from Egypt, and the fact that they could enjoy this rest.

In fact, the Passover is related to this same meaning, although it is annual and not weekly. It is basically the same concept.

For the believer, the Sabbath points to Jesus as the LORD of the Sabbath, Yahweh, who releases them from their bondage to a life of sin.

However, I don't believe it is a required observance under the New Covenant due to Colossians 2:16-17 and the many verses relating to the obsolete nature of the Mosaic Law, including:

Acts 15
Hebrews 7-8
Galatians 3-4
Eph 2:13-15
2 Cor 3
Rom 7:1-6

I encourage everyone to study these, and to note that the obsolete law is written on "tablets of stone". This really messes up the SDA view, because they teach that the Ten Commandments are different than the rest of the Law, which is called the Book of the Covenant.

In fact, the Book of the Covenant elaborates on the Ten Commandments, and breaks it down in to finer detail. There are also ceremonial and civil laws included, but largely the Book of the Covenant breaks down the Ten Commandments, such as defining incest as sin.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

The new heaven and the new earth is after the 1000 years in heaven, after GODs saints come back to the earth, In new Jerusalem when the city comes down on the earth, Rev 21:1-27

Firstly, this is a Seventh Day Adventist view.

Christians believe that Jesus reigns with his saints at his return, regardless if they believe in a literal Millennial reign of Christ or not.

Secondly, SDAs teach that the earth will be laid bare during the Millennium, but this is not a biblical teaching and I challenge you to prove it to me.

Thirdly, I agree that the New Heavens and New Earth will occur when Christ and the saints return to earth. This is because I don't believe in premillennialism. I don't believe in a literal millennium. In a sense, I believe that the church age is the Millennium, so the Millennium began at Christ's resurrection and ends at his return. Satan has been bound, in a sense, from causing universal blindness to the "nations" or Gentiles, although he is still active in a limited sense.

This position is called amillennialism.

By the way, I consider SDA theology to be abominable, because it claims that Satan is our sin-bearer, and not Christ. This was the same with the cult I belonged to.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

This is an important point.....

I don't know if many non-Adventists are aware of this, but they claim that Satan bears all of man's sin, in the final analysis.

They believe that Satan is the second goat of Leviticus 16, and that all of mankind's sin will be placed on him.

So, he is the one who really bears man's sin-debt, and not Jesus.

That was the same problem with the Sabbatarian cult I belonged to, as a young man. They taught the same SDA doctrine in this regard.

It is an abominable teaching that denies Jesus is our sin-bearer, and all of our sins were placed on him. Because, ultimately, in their theology, Satan is the sin-bearer of all mankind.

And, this is PLAINLY unbiblical.

 

[bud62]

So, are French Polynesian SDAs breaking the Sabbath? They observe the Sabbath starting 12 hours later than Jerusalem SDAs. And, their Sabbath ends 12 hours later than Jerusalem.

If God only sanctified, or set apart, one day at the creation, then French Polynesian SDAs are observing half of the Sabbath at the wrong time.

In fact, they are observing it on Sunday

God sees a day and a Night at the same time, If they are not doing it how the BIBLE says, THEN yes, Maybe in ignorance, GOD tells them how to keep it, JESUS Kept it, HIS disciple Kept the Sabbath, And there's been people keeping the Sabbath sense JESUS walked the earth,
And JESUS knew when to keep it. GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[bud62]

Firstly, this is a Seventh Day Adventist view.

Christians believe that Jesus reigns with his saints at his return, regardless if they believe in a literal Millennial reign of Christ or not.

Secondly, SDAs teach that the earth will be laid bare during the Millennium, but this is not a biblical teaching and I challenge you to prove it to me.

Thirdly, I agree that the New Heavens and New Earth will occur when Christ and the saints return to earth. This is because I don't believe in premillennialism. I don't believe in a literal millennium. In a sense, I believe that the church age is the Millennium, so the Millennium began at Christ's resurrection and ends at his return. Satan has been bound, in a sense, from causing universal blindness to the "nations" or Gentiles, although he is still active in a limited sense.

This position is called amillennialism.

By the way, I consider SDA theology to be abominable, because it claims that Satan is our sin-bearer, and not Christ. This was the same with the cult I belonged to.

When HE returns HE dose not even come down on the earth, THE saints meet HIM in the CLOUDS, GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[gb9]

God sees a day and a Night at the same time, If they are not doing it how the BIBLE says, THEN yes, Maybe in ignorance, GOD tells them how to keep it, JESUS Kept it, HIS disciple Kept the Sabbath, And there's been people keeping the Sabbath sense JESUS walked the earth,
And JESUS knew when to keep it. GOD bless as HE sees fit

just repeating the same thing over and over does not make it be true.

 

[UnitedWithChrist]

God sees a day and a Night at the same time, If they are not doing it how the BIBLE says, THEN yes, Maybe in ignorance, GOD tells them how to keep it, JESUS Kept it, HIS disciple Kept the Sabbath, And there's been people keeping the Sabbath sense JESUS walked the earth,
And JESUS knew when to keep it. GOD bless as HE sees fit

I don't think you understand my point.

If God only sanctified one day, that means only 24 hours are set aside.

SDAs use the "sunset to sunset" rule.

If a French Polynesian uses this rule, then his Sabbath is beginning and ending 12 hours later than a SDA in Jerusalem.

Therefore, someone all over the world is observing the Sabbath for 36 hours.

So, in your theology, someone is actually resting on part of Sunday rather than Saturday, in terms of Jerusalem time.

The Mosaic Law, including the calendar observance of days, was meant for ancient Israel, though, so it was not an issue for them. It is an issue if you try to globalize the Mosaic Covenant observances though.