I would like some perspectives on Revelation.

[homwardbound]

The Book Of Revelation when combined with the complementary book of Daniel forecasts the entire history of the world. Most of the prophecies have now been fulfilled so it is possible to review history to develop an accurate interpretation of the events and symbols depicted in Revelation, this information will go a long way in helping understand the prophecies. You can view it on you tube at this link.

Jesus I see came to earth through Woman, not man, to fulfill the prophecies and law of his Father's love and mercy for us all. That is done by, through Son for us all, done once for all in his one time willing death. Who goes through that willingly, will anyone else go through all that he went through and it turns out for us the people, all of us and proof in his being risen from the dead and seen as risen, by over 500 witnesses, even those that got him killed.

That is all the prophesy I needed to see as fulfilled, Jesus risen where new life for us resides in Daddy's Spirit and Truth to us to stand in thanksgiving and praise and not use it for any self gain

 

[rrcn]

Jesus I see came to earth through Woman, not man, to fulfill the prophecies and law of his Father's love and mercy for us all. That is done by, through Son for us all, done once for all in his one time willing death. Who goes through that willingly, will anyone else go through all that he went through and it turns out for us the people, all of us and proof in his being risen from the dead and seen as risen, by over 500 witnesses, even those that got him killed.

That is all the prophesy I needed to see as fulfilled, Jesus risen where new life for us resides in Daddy's Spirit and Truth to us to stand in thanksgiving and praise and not use it for any self gain

So you don’t feel that the prophecies of Revelation are important?

 

[homwardbound]

It is for the Unbelievers, there will be those in that day, as there are those still in Unbelief today, not seeing this amazing love and mercy given them through Son is risen for them.
yes, what will be will be, what can I or you or anyone else do about that? Can we not see it is finished by Son for us to be new in willingness to God Father and Son as Won.
Can I, you or anyone else change it, can even a group of people change anything, Really? everything is set in motion for us to choose to believe or not believe God in risen Son or not! Each person consciously knows, whether they believe God or not from within each person. (Romans 8) as nothing can separate anyone from the love of God for them given through risen Son to stand in, that is me and many others also, and each takes no credit of fitness in the self ever anymore as each grow up in maturity (remaining humble) of this amazing gift given by God to us all to either believe it or not. I need Daddy, anyone else? That is sufficient for me to glory in I need God!
So today is the day to believe God in all things good or bad happening presently you think?
That is for me the most important, to live presently, that be the gift from Father and Son for us all, I think seeing other things can separate "us" , Not God from this love and mercy given us through Son as risen for us to love in the same mercy and truth of love given us to do willingly is freedom from stress, so one, anyone can rest in the love and mercy alone given to do as is done by Son, thanks. It is done for us to be new by Faith trust to God alone in risen Son for us, at least me.
Anything else is a distraction from to get saved and not be at rest in this amazing gift
I put past behind me and see to live daily in trust to God Father and Son, knowing not how, just knowing someway, somehow Father will come through and save us, as promised. That which Daddy has done for us all by Son, that is done for us to believe it or not in his being risen or not. No more pride to ride, or guilt to condemn, that is still here in this world for now.
Thanks this is just how I see it today, trusting you to get, be given whatever you are after to get, hoping this is new life to rest in and see truth over many errors in this world we are in and not of any more
Love to all is the call I see as a gift from God loving us unconditionally, which got me to change willingly

 

[Ballaurena]

I can't imagine counting emotional responses as proof against scripture being literal. Yiikes at any dream, prophetic or otherwise, being used to discount or distort what the book of Revelations is saying!

As a follower of Christ, my purpose here is the edification and growth of the body, not dwelling on fruitless disagreements. Since you cannot receive my input as a member of the body of Christ, then there is no point in our corresponding. I will thus be activating the 'ignore' function from here on out unless God shows me to do otherwise.

 

[homwardbound]

I disagree on the grounds that it gives you the tone of what is coming even if it isn't literal. I say this because I have had prophetic dreams where the emotion of the dream was very precisely replicated in the physical at a later time though all the details were different. For example, I dreamed about a helpless child with a deadly disese. A few days later I was watching a football game when a player took a bad hit and was knocked out to the point that he might be paralyzed. I realized later that my emotional response was exactly the same as the dream even though the events were very different.

I am elated you care, that is a gift from Father to you. Please watch out for emotions to lead you over truth for you in risen Son to you?
Thanks, as I see a train has an engine and a caboose. the Engine is truth and leads, the Caboose is emotion and follows truth (The engine in this analogy)
If a caboose leads any train it is headed for a train wreck, right?
God leads, all else is vanity, (Ecclesiastes) me, trusting God in leading you and me as well as all others too willingly thank you
Willing, is the key I see that opens the door in reality for me at least

 

[Ballaurena]

I am elated you care, that is a gift from Father to you. Please watch out for emotions to lead you over truth for you in risen Son to you?
Thanks, as I see a train has an engine and a caboose. the Engine is truth and leads, the Caboose is emotion and follows truth (The engine in this analogy)
If a caboose leads any train it is headed for a train wreck, right?
God leads, all else is vanity, (Ecclesiastes) me, trusting God in leading you and me as well as all others too willingly thank you
Willing, is the key I see that opens the door in reality for me at least

Friend,

While I have certainly seen the error that you warn me against, please understand that I wasn't talking AT ALL about coming to conclusions about doctrine from the emotions of the situation themselves. Rather I was relaying something where the emotions were the subject, but the conclusion was based on the logic of what God did with them - giving me a preview of emotions as precise as dreaming the winning lotter numbers (though we don't begin to have words to describe the intricacy of emotions the way we can definitively tell someone the digits of a number).

That said, God actually gave me a pretty strong lesson a while back on the value of listening to emotions and not just logic since I had gotten too far off in the logic ditch. Among other things, He taught me that the mind and the heart are two sides of the same coin, and that both have valuable and important input that needs to be considered in order to find the truth. For example, Holy Spirit often speaks through emotions, such as in the spiritual fruits of joy and peace.

Knowing my own journey and things I have seen in the church and world, please be warned that there may be an unconscious acceptance in Christianity of Enlightenment-era intellectualism (really a type of naturalism) that God never intended. That isn't to say that we aren't supposed to use our minds - God tells us to worship with both our heart and mind (Matt. 22:37).

Verses for consideration:

Matthew 22:37
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'"

Much in 1 Corinthians from 1:18 to the end of chapter 2. Here is a shortcut.

Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

 

[glf]

As a follower of Christ, my purpose here is the edification and growth of the body, not dwelling on fruitless disagreements. Since you cannot receive my input as a member of the body of Christ, then there is no point in our corresponding. I will thus be activating the 'ignore' function from here on out unless God shows me to do otherwise.

Im not saying your input isn't of the Lord, just this particular comment regarding emotional responce and scripture...
The Lord bless you and make his face to shine upon you! Each member of the body has been given illumination by the Holy Spirit to edify the body of Christ. I pray the Lord use you to edify and encourage the brethern and minister Jesus to the lost in Jesus' name.

 

[homwardbound]

Friend,

While I have certainly seen the error that you warn me against, please understand that I wasn't talking AT ALL about coming to conclusions about doctrine from the emotions of the situation themselves. Rather I was relaying something where the emotions were the subject, but the conclusion was based on the logic of what God did with them - giving me a preview of emotions as precise as dreaming the winning lotter numbers (though we don't begin to have words to describe the intricacy of emotions the way we can definitively tell someone the digits of a number).

That said, God actually gave me a pretty strong lesson a while back on the value of listening to emotions and not just logic since I had gotten too far off in the logic ditch. Among other things, He taught me that the mind and the heart are two sides of the same coin, and that both have valuable and important input that needs to be considered in order to find the truth. For example, Holy Spirit often speaks through emotions, such as in the spiritual fruits of joy and peace.

Knowing my own journey and things I have seen in the church and world, please be warned that there may be an unconscious acceptance in Christianity of Enlightenment-era intellectualism (really a type of naturalism) that God never intended. That isn't to say that we aren't supposed to use our minds - God tells us to worship with both our heart and mind (Matt. 22:37).

Verses for consideration:

Matthew 22:37
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'"

Much in 1 Corinthians from 1:18 to the end of chapter 2. Here is a shortcut.

Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

thank you, I was just expounding as well, awesome to have a sister in the Lord and freed from under Law, is what I see thanks for the post in response I got it

 

[Adstar]

Do you believe Revelation is literal, physical, spiritual, something in between, or just another completely different perspective! I would love to see your thoughts and your logic behind them.

There is so much revelation in the Book of Revelation one hardly knows where to start.. People could write books larger the the book of Revelation dealing with the revelations in it..

Oh and we are to always seek Gods thoughts and Gods logic behind them..

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

Its not much of a Revelation if it isn't literal!

Where's your logic? You know, many people are going to disagree with you because they can read the words in Revelation. Also, they know what Revelation means.

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

I believe it is largely metaphorical and most of it future, though some is past, some may be starting to get fulfilled, and some of it is ongoing (ex. The letters to the churches). There is a compelling case for the stars being about the state of the constellations when Jesus was born. For more on that check out "The Star of Bethlehem" which was also recently referenced on the 700 club for Christmas.

I agree with you mostly. But I do believe that at least some of it was happening during the writer's time. Revelation 1:9. Thanks!

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

There is so much revelation in the Book of Revelation one hardly knows where to start.. People could write books larger the the book of Revelation dealing with the revelations in it..

Oh and we are to always seek Gods thoughts and Gods logic behind them..

And people have written so many books on it. Personally, I believe it is symbolic.

 

[JesusIsSovereign]

Virtually everything in the old testament is allegorical. It's only purpose is to point to Christ. All shadows/types in the OT, of which there are many, are fulfilled in Christ.

Revelation is extremely symbolic

byw literal can mean physical or spiritual depending on what the author intended. For example, Christ said only those who drink his blood and eat his flesh have life in them. Is that literally true? Doth cannibalism bringeth forth eternal life? Of course not. His speech is allegorically true pointing to a spiritual reality, not physically true. but it is literally the truth

I completely agree. Also, John even says in Revelation that he turned and saw a voice. Can a voice be seen?