I Ask Myself, Why?

[JaumeJ]

Yes, and Leah gave birth to Judah.

When he was born she said the Lord (Yahweh) had granted her a male child and she would now Prase Yah, and she named him for this, to praise Yahweh. The word JEW comes from this name, and it happens to be the syllable of Yahuda which is the name of our Maker, one of them.

So because of Yah's Son I will now praise Yah for He has given us His Son, His only Son, amen.

 

[Lanolin]

It woud be very dificult for a gentile to follow every tradtion the jews had because they had been following their customs for centuries. Take circumcison for example all jews knew to circumcise their male child at 8 days old but for a gentile are they going to do this...hardly and they dont see a reason to..and would they have the people to even do this.
What about keeping kosher all the jews knew what to eat or not eat what animals are clean and unclean but gentiles wouldnt have known about this strict diet being so used to their own diets.
Those were the two major things the jewish believers tried to impose on gentile believers. There was also sabbath days but the gentiles had their own calendars and didnt have the infrastructure set up to change their calendars to a whole day off like the jews had.

The thing with gentile believers is they didnt try to stop the jewish believers from carrying on their tradtions. There seemd like a lot of respect for them as they seemed godly and biblically based. But the jewish non believers maybe thought their tradtions and way of life were threateend by gentiles. Since they now wanted to be friends with them and eat with them etc. after centuries of being set apart and chosen and seemingly more righteous than any other people.

 

[JaumeJ]

Why are you bringing the law into this thread? I am not referring to ay such thing in my OP.

Our connection to Israel is via Jesuis Christ, Yeshua, and we are made sons of Abraham and of his faith, his type of faith.

Abraham received the Good News hundreds of years before the law. This is the faith we are of in Yeshua.

If you wish to bring up somehting and make it a controvery, bring it up in a ne thread, please.

 

[Lanolin]

Because you were asking why is there divisions between jew and gentile.

If you mesnt hebrew and gentile well thats differnt because abraham was before there were any such people as jews. But gentile by definition means someone whos not jewish.

I dont see any division, its just people want to make it so because of their own prejudices. We are all of one blood in Christ. So dont know why you are asking your self why?? if you already know the answer!

 

[JaumeJ]

No I mean the manner in which man changed the meaning of the Gospel from Abraham to being of Jewish sectarians………..I believe you know what I am asking.

You brought up the law just as the men changed from the faith of Abraham to the oral traditions added by men.

Do not say what I intend if yo have not understood...

 

[JaumeJ]

The last of the tribes mentioned are Benjamin and Judah. People have connected Jesuis to the teachings they were giving instead of to what Jesus teaches. Using the term Jew, they have completely obliterated the transition from Jesus the teaching of the faith of Abraham, even though it is in the NT...……….Instea they are teaching being of thetribe of Judah is only of the law……….Jesus came to save His peple firs tthen to join Gentiles to them……….Did Jesus not free us of the curse of the law? Then why the separation from Hebrews using the word Jew to do it?

By the way, if I use the word, Hebrew, I am damned, and if I use the word Jew, the same.

Not only do I know what I intend, I know what the words translate as, unlike those weilding all the anti Jew teachings. Hebrew means simply from across the river……...

 

[unclesilas]

To be honest, I think that I do not understand Rev enough yet to speak on it...

But are we not....

counted as seeds of Abraham, so I am not sure exactly what you are saying. I know we are used to bring them back to Him..and they brought Him to the non jew nations...

And He, Praise the Lord, brought us together, in one Body, the body of Christ!!!

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Romans 2:28‭-‬29 NASB

Someone said the greatest biblical prophect to be seen since Christ walked this earth was when Israel became a nation again in 1948. The OT prophets spoke with one voice, a time would come when God would bring the Isae;lites back to their homeland and bless them there, never to be uprooted from it again, and a time is coming when they will all accept Christ as their saviour, and therefore be saved. The process has started, in a time yet to come:

And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives. Zech12:10-14

 

[Lanolin]

The last of the tribes mentioned are Benjamin and Judah. People have connected Jesuis to the teachings they were giving instead of to what Jesus teaches. Using the term Jew, they have completely obliterated the transition from Jesus the teaching of the faith of Abraham, even though it is in the NT...……….Instea they are teaching being of thetribe of Judah is only of the law……….Jesus came to save His peple firs tthen to join Gentiles to them……….Did Jesus not free us of the curse of the law? Then why the separation from Hebrews using the word Jew to do it?

By the way, if I use the word, Hebrew, I am damned, and if I use the word Jew, the same.

Not only do I know what I intend, I know what the words translate as, unlike those weilding all the anti Jew teachings. Hebrew means simply from across the river……...

Because on the new testament it was the jewish people who were the ones most opposed to Jesus being Messiah. Remember evryone hailed Jesus as kIng of ISRAEL but herod was king of judah at the time and didnt want to be displaced. There were two kingdoms previously when the nation had split into two kingdoms. Somehow Israel got lost, their kingdom ended and according to prophecy kings were meant to come from Judahs line. JEsus could claim this because he was born in bethlehem Judea also Josephs lineage was of Judah.

Jesus was going to redeem all of Israel, its just much of the house of judah wouldnt accept him.

You are not damned if you use hebrew or jew but the correct term would be Hebrew as all israels tongue is Hebrew. Jew is just a one of the tribes which was Judah and includes all the people that were in that nation. Because jerusalem being the capital and seat of the temple in judea it had the ruling class as it were. A lot of people who dont read the OT are unaware of this split with the tribes and the two houses.

When talking about this its best if you explain what you mean because many people just use the term jewish loosely to mean all of Israel.

 

[Lanolin]

In modern day we say people from israel are Israelis.
And they could be hebrew speakers and they could identify as jewish but they could also be arabs. Its confusing for most people trying to undertsand palestine and why theres all these disviisons and splits.then theres zionists.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are wise beyond time.

 

[Waggles]

Prophecy from Ezekiel of restoration of Israel and Judah to being one nation

15 The word of the Lord came to me:
16 “Son of man, take a stick and write on it, ‘For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.’
17 And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.
18 And when your people say to you, ‘Will you not tell us what you mean by these?’
19 say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am about to take the stick of Joseph (that is in the hand of Ephraim) and the tribes of Israel associated with him. And I will join with it the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, that they may be one in my hand.
20 When the sticks on which you write are in your hand before their eyes,
21 then say to them, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I will take the people of Israel from the nations among which they have gone, and will gather them from all around, and bring them to their own land.
22 And I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one king shall be king over them all, and they shall be no longer two nations, and no longer divided into two kingdoms.
23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols and their detestable things, or with any of their transgressions. But I will save them from all the backslidings in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 37 (ESV)
Joseph (Ephraim) = Israel (the lost 10 tribes > Europe and New World > Christianity
Judah (Jews) scattered and dispersed without a nation or temple > brought back from their wanderings in various nations and
brought back to their own land (verse 21).
When Christ Jesus returns both Ephraim and Judah (CHristians and Jews) will again become one people and one nation.