I And My Father Are One

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Walter

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Tuesday 2-14-23 1st. Day Of The Weekly Cycle Shevat 22, 5783 56th. Winter Day

John 10

1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

42 And many believed on him there.

John 14

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



I And My Father Are One (John 10:30) - The Oneness Of God In Christ
I And My Father Are One. When Jesus states “I and my Father are one…” in John 10:30 we must determine, is he literally stating that he and his Father are one and the same God, or is he saying they are unified in purpose and mind? There's a problem explaining truthfully how God is his own son and...
www.theonenessofgod.org

Love, Walter and Debbie
 

bluto

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The context determines in what respect the Father and Jesus are one. Jesus has just said that the sheep are equally safe in His hand and in His Father's hand. The power of the Son is equal to that of the Father. Jesus asserted the essential unity of the Father and the Son in the word "one" (hen). It is a neuter number to indicate equality of essence, attributes, design, will and work.

Jesus distinguishes the "I" from the "Father" and uses the plural verb "are" denoting "we are one" which Jesus is literally saying. These words separate the persons within the Godhead, but "one" asserts their unity of essence or nature as identical. The following interaction with Jesus and the Jews bore this out.

At vs31, "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him. vs32, "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" Vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone you, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man Yourself God." So according to the immediate context the Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant when He claimed to be one with the Father.

Now at vs34, "Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, "I said you are Gods?" Vs35, "If He called them gods to whom the word of God came (and the Scriptures cannot be broken0, vs36 do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, You are blaspheming because I said I am the Son of God?"

Now, to prove to the Jews that they were right in the fact that Jesus was claiming to be God (or equal to God in nature or essence) Jesus Himself becomes His own commentator by bringing the subject of "gods" from Psalm 82:6. At vs37 and 36 Jesus gives them two choices. Vs37, "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me." Vs38, "but if I do them though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father."

Now, here's a question to think about? Why did Jesus bring up Psalm 82:6?

IN GOD THE SON
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I And My Father Are One. When Jesus states “I and my Father are one…” in John 10:30 we must determine, is he literally stating that he and his Father are one and the same God, or is he saying they are unified in purpose and mind?
This is not only about a unified purpose and mind. It is far more than that since Jesus said that He was in the Father, and the Father was in Him, and also anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father. All attempts at rationalizing the Holy Trinity are futile. Humanistic thinking cannot grasp the nature of the Godhead. He said that He cast out demons "with the finger of God". It was also the finger of God which wrote the Ten Commandments on two tablets of stone.
 

Nehemiah6

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Tuesday 2-14-23 1st. Day Of The Weekly Cycle Shevat 22, 5783 56th. Winter Day
Since you are using a Jewish format, it should also be pointed out that Messianic Jews are reluctant to come right out and say "JESUS IS GOD" or "JESUS IS YAHWEH". They do not want to believe that Jesus is "I AM", the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
 

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Tuesday 2-14-23 1st. Day Of The Weekly Cycle Shevat 22, 5783 56th. Winter Day

John 10

1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.

20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.

23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

40 And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.

41 And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.

42 And many believed on him there.

John 14

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



I And My Father Are One (John 10:30) - The Oneness Of God In Christ
I And My Father Are One. When Jesus states “I and my Father are one…” in John 10:30 we must determine, is he literally stating that he and his Father are one and the same God, or is he saying they are unified in purpose and mind? There's a problem explaining truthfully how God is his own son and...
www.theonenessofgod.org

Love, Walter and Debbie
For those interested you can find a study Here on this subject...
 
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My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one AS(AS) we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. John17:20-23
 
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From Scriptures, we are told in Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one”. As we know that scripture collaborates scripture, we see that confirmation in Mark 12:29 “Yahshua/Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one”. God claims He is One.
 

Blade

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yes amen and also we are one also with Christ with the Father oh and the sweet holy Spirit (Luke 11:13)

who thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Wow so much here