How to save California ?

[RaceBoy]

[I don't know where else to put this so if any moderators out there want to move it to the correct forum then be my guest] When i was a kid, I would always dream of moving LA. But it wasn't to get "famous" or get "rich", it was because it's a beautiful state.
But as i got older i began to realize the problems that "plague" the state.

Whether its wildfires.

Or the homeless.


Coupled with the fact that California has some of the highest taxes in the nation, makes me think that the land/state that i once dreamed of, maybe no
longer worth it.

So my question is, how do we fix this beautiful state and return it to its former glory ? I still want to live there and am still looking for housing around the San Diego area, but i also want to help fix the state and restore the "California Dream". Too many people have been leaving the state and that's a shame really, but i think there's still hope, and some input from y'all could really help me out, thanks.

 

[tourist]

I have no desire to fix that state. Besides that, it's a Blue state. People are leaving that state for a reason. I don't really care one way or another.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

California is beautiful along the coastline (more inland is more shrubbery). I've been to SF and San Diego and their surrounding areas (beaches). In SF, I saw a lot of homelessness. People are leaving the state because it is too expensive. I believe it will always remain expensive because it has desirable property and nice weather. Turning California red is a lost cause I believe; the culture is very liberal if Christianity spreads there it will be progressive Christianity. The Republican party is more a conservative Christian party; I have some friends from other religions who are actually conservative but won't vote Republican because they feel the Republican party is a Christian party and so feel unwelcomed/rejected.

 

[calibob]

California is beautiful along the coastline (more inland is more shrubbery). I've been to SF and San Diego and their surrounding areas (beaches). In SF, I saw a lot of homelessness. People are leaving the state because it is too expensive. I believe it will always remain expensive because it has desirable property and nice weather. Turning California red is a lost cause I believe; the culture is very liberal if Christianity spreads there it will be progressive Christianity. The Republican party is more a conservative Christian party; I have some friends from other religions who are actually conservative but won't vote Republican because they feel the Republican party is a Christian party and so feel unwelcomed/rejected.

Wow! You are out of touch. California has had a very large and thriving Christian community. Trinity Broadcasting Network, The Christian Research Institute, Calvary Chapel Ministries and the San Diego Christian College are all home based in Cali.

Yes there are more non Christians here but it's the most populated state with the 4th largest economy than any other Nation, not just state.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

At this point, we need to pull our American patriots out. Activate the seismic activity. Break it off, let it float to join China where their allegiance truly is.

 

[calibob]

At this point, we need to pull our American patriots out. Activate the seismic activity. Break it off, let it float to join China where their allegiance truly is.

Naw, we've just surrendered to the belief that the whole world will be destroyed and that every nation will be burned (including the USA) when Jesus returns. Here we hope that we will be raptured first and join him at the Eastern Gate. Dressed in white of course.

 

[Lanolin]

[I don't know where else to put this so if any moderators out there want to move it to the correct forum then be my guest] When i was a kid, I would always dream of moving LA. But it wasn't to get "famous" or get "rich", it was because it's a beautiful state.
But as i got older i began to realize the problems that "plague" the state.

Whether its wildfires.

Or the homeless.

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Coupled with the fact that California has some of the highest taxes in the nation, makes me think that the land/state that i once dreamed of, maybe no
longer worth it.

So my question is, how do we fix this beautiful state and return it to its former glory ? I still want to live there and am still looking for housing around the San Diego area, but i also want to help fix the state and restore the "California Dream". Too many people have been leaving the state and that's a shame really, but i think there's still hope, and some input from y'all could really help me out, thanks.

where do you live now?
I think for many people it was the nearest 'el otro lado' and promised land but I think from reports for many areas its not able to cope now. Pioneering days are over. Theres smog and they have to steal water from someone elses river, and of course wild fires and earthquakes and homeless to contend with.

But did it ever really have a 'former glory'? Or is that just peoples imaginations!
I think you need to make of it what you will and go and find out for yourself. How can anyone 'fix' a state anyway?
I mean have YOU fixed lots of other states?

If God has told you to go there, then you go but if he hasnt dont. Most places have their issues, if its not one thing its always another. Thats what you get when lots of people go try and make a community and live in cities.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Wow! You are out of touch. California has had a very large and thriving Christian community. Trinity Broadcasting Network, The Christian Research Institute, Calvary Chapel Ministries and the San Diego Christian College are all home based in Cali.

Yes there are more non Christians here but it's the most populated state with the 4th largest economy than any other Nation, not just state.

Ok, I admit I personally don't know too many people living in California. I know one family who moved there (Armenian Christians) who were Republican but now they are all liberal after a decade of living there. They said there are no conservatives where they live. I know another Christian who is against gay marriage but is anti-Trump and voted for Biden. My Asian friend living there is Democrat. Just because there is a thriving Christian community doesn't mean they are conservative; they could be progressive Christians.

 

[calibob]

Ok, I admit I don't know too many people living in California. I know one family who moved there (Armenian Christians) who were Republican but now they are all liberal after a decade of living there. They said there are no conservatives where they live. I know another Christian who is against gay marriage but is anti-Trump and voted for Biden. My Asian friend living there is Democrat. Just because there is a thriving Christian community doesn't mean they are conservative; they could be progressive Christians.

Yes! Christianity is not a political party. In his Epistles Paul asked that the Christians of his time bring what they had to church to share with others that had less. That's not the Republican model of economics. Christians are not required to be Republicans or Democrats.

The reason for separation of church and state goes back to King James and others of that time and before. They discriminated against Puritans, Quakers, Mennonites and many other Christians that resisted obedience to the rulers . The rulers seemed to think they had a God given authority that was superior to the Gospel. The groups that I listed fled here.

That's one of the principal reasons that the Declaration of Independence and the USA was founded upon.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

My realistic method would be to push more conservative education as in more conservatives get involved to train up the new generations.

 

[Lanolin]

wasnt california orginally colonised by spanish catholics who set up mission stations there. Most native americans were then moved to reservations.

Maybe they were thinking they could 'fix' the state? It didnt work. Then when independence was gained (and lots of history and poltics later) all of california became secularised.

 

[Lanolin]

I dont think the mennnonites and quakers and puritans got as far west and south as California.
Mormons seeking freedom to worship how they liked got to Utah.

 

[calibob]

I dont think the mennnonites and quakers and puritans got as far west and south as California.
Mormons seeking freedom to worship how they liked got to Utah.

Yes, my remarks were about folks that consider the Republican party as the Christian party. It's not! It's more like the capitolism party. Many Christians aren't capitalists'.

 

[JaumeJ]

Being brought up in Long Beach, California in the d1940-s and 50-s, my grammar school teaching said that the Catholics leadership of the earliest days of California settled missions up and sown the coast of California. This movement was headed by Father Junipero Serra who did not allow the abuse of native Americans, and he defended their rights as best he was able.
Neither the Catholic church nor the Spanish established reservations for these people. This si what I was taught growing up there, and this is what I have studied to learn is true.
I am not Catholic, nor would I be Catholic, but I will not ever understand how this teaching has been perverted so over these few short decades since this time of my own education
There were many injustices in the Americas but they were not directed by the Spanish Crown nor by the Catholica church, rather by greedy Europeans of all walks who had taken control of what was not their own.
The Land called America is called this by those who came to live there. Think about this and then think about those who were dispossessed. I know it will not do any good, but it will sober up some in their thinking.

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Yes! Christianity is not a political party. In his Epistles Paul asked that the Christians of his time bring what they had to church to share with others that had less. That's not the Republican model of economics. Christians are not required to be Republicans or Democrats.

The reason for separation of church and state goes back to King James and others of that time and before. They discriminated against Puritans, Quakers, Mennonites and many other Christians that resisted obedience to the rulers . The rulers seemed to think they had a God given authority that was superior to the Gospel. The groups that I listed fled here.

That's one of the principal reasons that the Declaration of Independence and the USA was founded upon.

I think one has to live in a "purple" city (maybe like a liberalish city in a red state, like Houston) to find a congregation that has a mix of conservatives and liberals; I think in these type of churches the pastor and leadership is probably less political. However, if you go to a church where most/virtually of the congregants lean politically one way, people who lean the other way are made to feel non-Christian. Each side has topics to make the other side feel non-Christian (abortion, health care, illegal immigration, etc.).

 

[TheIndianGirl]

For example, in Franklin Graham's and Rev. Warnock's churches (both on political extremes), people who have opposite political views will feel non-Christian and the pastor may even say so.

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes, my remarks were about folks that consider the Republican party as the Christian party. It's not! It's more like the capitolism party. Many Christians aren't capitalists'.

In the mid 1960's it was taught in my college in Illinois that the US was practicing a policy of guided capitalism which was the combination of capitalism and socialism.

Now as my own understanding dictates of this type of governing, people who have good hearts and souls do not politicize and use this jargon, rather they understood it meant working for all to progress materially while caring for all in health education and welfare.

Of coure there were many who "slipped throught the cracks however the system was good to all who applied the nation supports it provided. Yes, there were individuals who cheated, but there always are such people. I did not mind my taxes going to help the people of my country even if some were not honest in receiving perhaps staling our tax money. There were no people sleeping under bridges, in parks, and actually in sewers excpt hard core hobos.

Since the 1970-s I have been aware of the working poor, the abject poor and homeless across the US. Any who remember know there was a short period where the shopping bag lady was the object of joking and funny skits on the tV, but these were but the beginning. It has not ceased, rther been very healthy on the increase since them.

The general populace in generations being educated since then a have been gradually made ignorant of just about anything and everything important ot the welfare of all. Most young adults do not even know multiiplication tables but rely on calculators. I know this from experience with workers who when attending their own work meetings culd not work the figures given them without the calculator and were amazed that the old guy would respond without such. I feld rather weird being amonst them,but they were not bad nor stupid, just deprived ot the education as given without social promotions and the like. It is a very sad situation but true.

 

[calibob]

I think one has to live in a "purple" city (maybe like a liberalish city in a red state, like Houston) to find a congregation that has a mix of conservatives and liberals; I think in these type of churches the pastor and leadership is probably less political. However, if you go to a church where most/virtually of the congregants lean politically one way, people who lean the other way are made to feel non-Christian. Each side has topics to make the other side feel non-Christian (abortion, health care, illegal immigration, etc.).

I spent my formative Christian years in what you my term a purple zone. Orange County Ca. I have since gravitated to non-political Christian denominations like Friends (Quakers) and Anabaptists (Mennonites). We are mostly antipolitical passivists that see evil on both sides of the extremist political agendas.

 

[calibob]

[I don't know where else to put this so if any moderators out there want to move it to the correct forum then be my guest] When i was a kid, I would always dream of moving LA. But it wasn't to get "famous" or get "rich", it was because it's a beautiful state.
But as i got older i began to realize the problems that "plague" the state.

Whether its wildfires.

Or the homeless.

View attachment 223734
Coupled with the fact that California has some of the highest taxes in the nation, makes me think that the land/state that i once dreamed of, maybe no
longer worth it.

So my question is, how do we fix this beautiful state and return it to its former glory ? I still want to live there and am still looking for housing around the San Diego area, but i also want to help fix the state and restore the "California Dream". Too many people have been leaving the state and that's a shame really, but i think there's still hope, and some input from y'all could really help me out, thanks.

In fact I moved back to OC, CA. For better health coverage availability than I could afford in Lawton OK.

 

[Lanolin]

Being brought up in Long Beach, California in the d1940-s and 50-s, my grammar school teaching said that the Catholics leadership of the earliest days of California settled missions up and sown the coast of California. This movement was headed by Father Junipero Serra who did not allow the abuse of native Americans, and he defended their rights as best he was able.
Neither the Catholic church nor the Spanish established reservations for these people. This si what I was taught growing up there, and this is what I have studied to learn is true.
I am not Catholic, nor would I be Catholic, but I will not ever understand how this teaching has been perverted so over these few short decades since this time of my own education
There were many injustices in the Americas but they were not directed by the Spanish Crown nor by the Catholica church, rather by greedy Europeans of all walks who had taken control of what was not their own.
The Land called America is called this by those who came to live there. Think about this and then think about those who were dispossessed. I know it will not do any good, but it will sober up some in their thinking.

what was it called by the natives before it was called america?