How to love your family, when God hates the nonelects?
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[Rev 22:17 KJV] 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
The "hear(ing)" is spiritual hearing, not human hearing and that only comes from being born again. Those who thirst only realize they thirst (for the gospel) because they have become born again. The whosoever are the elect.
If not through God, then how does someone give to themselves eternal life?
[2Co 2:16 KJV] 16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
What about those people who for reasons outside of their control (age, illness, infirmity, physical location, etc), cannot hear or respond to the gospel if their choosing were dependent upon themselves, and therefore, they are unable to choose? Do they face God's judgment too? Would God be unjust for them too?
The "hear(ing)" is spiritual hearing, not human hearing and that only comes from being born again. Those who thirst only realize they thirst (for the gospel) because they have become born again. The whosoever are the elect.
If not through God, then how does someone give to themselves eternal life?
[2Co 2:16 KJV] 16 To the one [we are] the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who [is] sufficient for these things?
What about those people who for reasons outside of their control (age, illness, infirmity, physical location, etc), cannot hear or respond to the gospel if their choosing were dependent upon themselves, and therefore, they are unable to choose? Do they face God's judgment too? Would God be unjust for them too?
I'm not going to go though this again. He is speaking to the elect.
A spiritually dead person does not have free will. They are oblivious to external stimuli in order to choose. They have to be
made alive first.
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[2Co 4:3-4 KJV] 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
There is no restoration except to be of the elect. Paul was seeking to make jealous those of the elect of the Jews for their edification.
There are only two peoples: the elect and the non-elect. God cannot restore the Israel en-masse because He divorced it.
If He will not restore en-masse, then please define precisely whom it is that will be restored and under what conditions will they be restored? If it is not of Israel, then there is no linkage to any of the Jews for their restoration, and if of Israel, then all Jews must be restored.
A spiritually dead person does not have free will. They are oblivious to external stimuli in order to choose. They have to be
made alive first.
[Eph 2:1 KJV] 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[2Co 4:3-4 KJV] 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
There is no restoration except to be of the elect. Paul was seeking to make jealous those of the elect of the Jews for their edification.
There are only two peoples: the elect and the non-elect. God cannot restore the Israel en-masse because He divorced it.
If He will not restore en-masse, then please define precisely whom it is that will be restored and under what conditions will they be restored? If it is not of Israel, then there is no linkage to any of the Jews for their restoration, and if of Israel, then all Jews must be restored.
Where do you find choice mentioned anywhere in the below? It was all God's work, none of it ours.
[Eph 1:4-6 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
[Eph 1:4-6 KJV]
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Where do you see "plan" mentioned anywhere? 'Chosen", "predestined", "made", doesn't sound like a "plan" to me but actions.
You are trying to impose something upon those verses that they clearly don't say nor were intended to say.
And those verses were examples- the Bible is replete with others, in fact, that doctrine is the foundation of the Bible.
I'm not sure which verses in Col 2 you are referring to, but it is God who moves within us both to will and to do of His
good pleasure.
You are trying to impose something upon those verses that they clearly don't say nor were intended to say.
And those verses were examples- the Bible is replete with others, in fact, that doctrine is the foundation of the Bible.
I'm not sure which verses in Col 2 you are referring to, but it is God who moves within us both to will and to do of His
good pleasure.
In fact, the FORCED Salvation, through Ponzi Scheme, is easily Debunked:
כִּ֣י לֹ֤א אֶחְפֹּץ֙ בְּמ֣וֹת הַמֵּ֔ת נְאֻ֖ם אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֑ה וְהָשִׁ֖יבוּ וִֽחְיֽו
For it is not My desire that anyone shall die—declares the Sovereign GOD. Repent, therefore, and live!
I see a lot of Salvation FORCING by GOD here, NOT: declares the Sovereign GOD. Repent, therefore, and live!
I see God COMMANDING and we are to Obey, which is our, FREE WILL, to OBEY!
But, I see NOwhere, GOD claiming, YOU SINNERS I SAVED YOU BECAUSE I FORCED YOU TO BE WITH ME FOR ALL ETERNITY!
כִּ֣י לֹ֤א אֶחְפֹּץ֙ בְּמ֣וֹת הַמֵּ֔ת נְאֻ֖ם אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֑ה וְהָשִׁ֖יבוּ וִֽחְיֽו
For it is not My desire that anyone shall die—declares the Sovereign GOD. Repent, therefore, and live!
I see a lot of Salvation FORCING by GOD here, NOT: declares the Sovereign GOD. Repent, therefore, and live!
I see God COMMANDING and we are to Obey, which is our, FREE WILL, to OBEY!
But, I see NOwhere, GOD claiming, YOU SINNERS I SAVED YOU BECAUSE I FORCED YOU TO BE WITH ME FOR ALL ETERNITY!
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I know you don't hate God!
I know you have the utmost reverence towards God.
You really don't even have a clue what you are saying here.
You are so offended, BECAUSE, you KNOW, your Doctrines, are Biblically and Godly, INCORRECT.
So, you are going to push, Grace and Mercy.
Grace and Mercy, ARE ALL OVER the Plan of God, in Ephesians 1:4-6.
Before God made the Earth, God KNEW man would SIN.
So, He made a Plan for Salvation.
Ephesians 1:4-6 is this Plan!
It does not get any more Grace and Mercy than that!
I know you have the utmost reverence towards God.
You really don't even have a clue what you are saying here.
You are so offended, BECAUSE, you KNOW, your Doctrines, are Biblically and Godly, INCORRECT.
So, you are going to push, Grace and Mercy.
Grace and Mercy, ARE ALL OVER the Plan of God, in Ephesians 1:4-6.
Before God made the Earth, God KNEW man would SIN.
So, He made a Plan for Salvation.
Ephesians 1:4-6 is this Plan!
It does not get any more Grace and Mercy than that!
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Election to salvation is of the "who" and not of the "what". Any perception that a Saviour, being the Saviour, not doing the saving, means that He isn't and can't be. For it to be otherwise, would make salvation of man's work, and therefore the title of Saviour, a logical contradiction in terms - the question is a binary one: does He, or does He not save - it is an all or nothing proposition, not one of degrees.
You said earlier "If you are interested in freedom from sin and how do we receive the Holy Spirit? read below. After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages. I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, murder, jealousy, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list."
Then here you tell someone to "test your self". Now to quote that web page who we have no clue as to who it is or what they believe. But to quote it "After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, watching sports (violence like football, covet their life and idols), novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages which are rare. "
I've heard this kind of talk before they praise themselves that they are the elect and all those others no ..well are not the elect. sovereignty of God goes out the window here. To think like what you posted.. you may be saved but you don't know Him. See He said love your enemy. That's the same love we are to love Him to love each other. To take you at only what you posted...you don't know Him, His love He has for this world. The fact He left Heaven.. took all the sin of the world..all of it. Some say they can see.. as Christ said your sin remains.
Then here you tell someone to "test your self". Now to quote that web page who we have no clue as to who it is or what they believe. But to quote it "After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, watching sports (violence like football, covet their life and idols), novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages which are rare. "
I've heard this kind of talk before they praise themselves that they are the elect and all those others no ..well are not the elect. sovereignty of God goes out the window here. To think like what you posted.. you may be saved but you don't know Him. See He said love your enemy. That's the same love we are to love Him to love each other. To take you at only what you posted...you don't know Him, His love He has for this world. The fact He left Heaven.. took all the sin of the world..all of it. Some say they can see.. as Christ said your sin remains.
You know there's a difference between what I've been saying and what the original poster was saying I never said that people weren't saved I said we need to rededicate ourselves to him and get serious he decided that he was the elect as family wasn't I'm trying to get everyone to come together because there isn't much time he was putting all the focus on his so-called election so I I know you and others have been gossiping about me behind the scenes but God reveals All things and in time when he activates his plan look back on everything I posted then it will all make sense
God loves all people.. He suffered death for sinners.. And desires all to repent and be Redeemed.. If God hated people He would not desire this..
(2 Peter 3:9) "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
(2 Peter 3:9) "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
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