So, if "new covenant" doesn't mean "new testament", then please define each one. Using scholarly material, and not just your own opinion.Yeah thats what the ' scholars ' tell us
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What in the world are you talking about? I just explained what Jeremiah was referring to when he wrote "Israel" and "Judah".
2 kingdoms that split from the nation. Israel was the northern kingdom and Judah was the southern kingdom.
Didn't you know that already?
Yes. Since Heb 8 is a direct quote of Jer 31, what else could it be referring to?
what are your thoughts?
OK, but so what? As I proved, the New Covenant, or New Testament, fulfilled that passage in Jeremiah.
iow, the Messiah CAME for the Jews. They rejected the NC. Got it?
What is your view about a covenant with Israel that hasn't occurred yet? What's its purpose?
As it reads in Hebrews 8 . The purpose is there .
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13¶In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
We haven't got laws written in our minds and hearts .
What in here do you see is applicable to us ??
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13¶In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Do you apply eze 36 to the Church also?
25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Still all based on faith in the Messiah. Ya can't get away from that fact.
Apparently you are unfamiliar with Paul's teaching then.
Romans 2:14,15
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
I'd say that the Aposlte just refuted your beliefs.
You need to read and re-read Galatians until the truth sinks in.
Oh, and most of Romans.
TF, I'm still missing what you point is.
How about this: just lay it all out for me. You know, the Heb 8 passage, which is a quote from Jer 31. What's it referring to and when will it be fulfilled?
Thanks.
How about this: just lay it all out for me. You know, the Heb 8 passage, which is a quote from Jer 31. What's it referring to and when will it be fulfilled?
Thanks.
Rom 2 is not referring to saved people in Christ . But rather lost Gentiles in general who don't have the law but by nature do some of the things contained in the law . This has absolutely nothing to do with regeneration or Heb 8 / Jer
John 3:16, thanks to Billy Graham, results in so many of us reading Paul's 1 Cor 15:1-4 into it.
As far as Israel was concerned, John 3:16 should be read together with John 20:31. To believe in Jesus, under the gospel of the kingdom, is to believe in Jesus's identity as the promised Son of God.
Israel did not have to believe that Christ will sacrifice himself on the cross for their sins.
Because you are trying to insert Paul's revelation of the mystery into the 4 gospels, into passages like John 3:16, you are failing to understand John 3:16 in context.
As for the future new covenant with Israel in the future, I already mentioned Hebrews 8:8-12
Read it literally and it explains to you everything Israel will get under the New Covenant
- The Law of Moses will be written in their hearts
- They will always be his people
- They will always know him, from the least Jew to the greatest Jew.
- Israel's sins will be permanently forgiven
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
I never said the Law saved anyone. I was saying Israel the nation, thru their elders and leaders, AGREED to be under the Old Covenant in Exodus 24.
In contrast, the leaders and elders of Israel, in Acts 7, rejected Christ completely, so they rejected the offer of the New Covenant.
In God's eyes, Israel rise and fall based on their leaders, as the leaders go, so goes the nation (1 Kings 15:34)
Thus, the current Israel has fallen but as Paul informed us in Romans 11, they will be restored in the future.
None of the scripture you used, used the term "New Covenant", you are basically trying to read that into all of them, that is why you have to understand it only makes sense to you, but no one else.
Correct. My point is that God has given everyone a conscience to know right from wrong.
So, again, what's your point? Is there one?