How the Indian Arranged Marriage Thing Works

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presidente

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I'm a parent of three girls. They aren't at the the teen or 'tween' age yet. But my wife and I have decided they won't do the teenage dating thing. We've let the girls know that. I've explained how the marriage thing works. Dad has to approve of them first. If they get old enough to marry and there is a man interested, send him to us. I'm glad I decided this while they are still young. :)

I think it's foolish that US culture pushes young people to date when they are so many years away from marriage. The succession of boyfriends and girlfriends opens them up for heart break and temptation.

My wife is from Asia, not from India. There is some arranged marriage in her country, but it's not so common in the cities and areas where she has lived. She had a couple of relatives who were sort of matched up. One of them was getting along in years and hadn't married yet, and got matched up with a man in the same situation that she'd known since she was young.

Many years ago, my wife had a friend who was Indian but not raised in India. She was in her 40's and had never married. She was an attractive woman, too, with a good education and a good career, and very dedicated to prayer. She didn't seem like the kind of woman who would be single at that age if she wanted to marry. We also knew an Indian evangelist who grew up in the same country she did who had been a widower for a coulpe of years. We suggested introducing them to both of them and both showed some interest. The woman seemed a little fearful or nervous about it. The man sent her an email talking about all his faults, impatience, temper. He seemed like he was being hard on himself.

The woman said she didn't know much about this man. In India, when people get matched up, usually their families interview each other to protect the ones considering marriage, but we were not in a position to do that for her, and she didn't know enough about him. I think she was also scared of marriage. He hadn't presented the good things about himself in that letter, either. (He'd planted churches, won souls, etc.) I also realized she was looking at this as deciding to marry a man, not deciding to meet a man and get to know him and find out about him on her own. We just wanted to introduce them. So she backed out, and later decided she was called to be celibate and seemed content with that. He ended up marrying a woman about 20 years younger than himself who was very active in ministry in one of the churches he had planted in Eastern Europe.

In the US, there are some pockets of Christians who reject the idea of dating. Instead, they expect suitors to go through the daughters' fathers' to court and marry. English culture used to be that way, way back when. Some of the Christians that do this homeschool or are involved in purity movements (promoting virginity of the unmarried). Many Indians get arranged to be married with the help of their parents. But there are other Indian families doing this. I would imagine some Anglo Americans expecting to find young men to go through the father to court their daughters might find it hard to find young men willing to approach the father.

I'm thinking about this sort of thing with my own daughters. I can teach them to be very selective and have them date, and tell them to bring their dates to me and their mother. But we could end up living overseas anyway.

I am curious how the whole Indian arranged marriage thing works. How does it work when a young person finds someone or she is interested in? How does it work when the parents set them up? Mainly, what I am interested in is how do Christian families check out the potential spouse and their families? What do they do and what kind of questions do they ask? What is their criteria. I would imagine this could vary greatly, so personal experiences and opinions are welcome?

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leonardronaldo

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Am not Indian, but as far as I know, only approximately 3% of Indian Citizens are accepting Jesus as their Savior and Lord. so maybe you want to specifically address Indian Christians' style of marriage?
Blessings
 

presidente

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Am not Indian, but as far as I know, only approximately 3% of Indian Citizens are accepting Jesus as their Savior and Lord. so maybe you want to specifically address Indian Christians' style of marriage?
Blessings
I was thinking of Indian Christians, and I would imagine that would apply to the Indian posters here.

By the way, how common is arranged marriage in Indonesia. How do the parents check out a potential spouse for a daughter or son before marriage?
 
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leonardronaldo

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Ok. I guess what you meant by arranged marriage are supposedly the parents check out how biblical or Christ-like the potential spouse is?
I don't know if that's the case in the Christians in Indonesia, especially in big cities where persecution is kind of rare (85% of Indonesians are muslims). Parents exactly want what the world wants (have to admit my parents themselves have still slight tendency on these): successful (wealth perspective), physical beauty and social status of the family of the spouse. I don't know if my answer satisfy what you asked, but as Christians we should be serious in all aspect of life including marriage or in your case taking care of children, biblically, mostly to be conformed to the image of Christ.
May the Grace of Our Lord be upon us
 

Jeshuvan

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Hi ,I hope 2 meet u sometime in a room.I can explain the whole thing.Im american,but am married 2 an Indian woman from India.Its not totally as u think.I can also give u some great advice 4 your children.My wife and I didnt date at all,we didnt need 2,we were doing gods work totally and he put us together.its a promise from him Matt 6:33 states this Amen
 
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leonardronaldo

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Yes, above all cultural and customs things, I think biblical concept must be superior
 

stefen

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I am an Indian. As you need clarity on Indian marriages, i will explain you in few lines how it worked and working now.

Traditional marriages: This is at my parents ages around 20+ years back. On those days, parents will look for bridegroom and bride for their children. There is no way decision given to children. Parents will look for life partner from their own caste, so that they will not get any issue in their own traditions when the marriage is happening. And all their relatives will attend the wedding and bless the couples for long life. Success Life rate is very high here.

New generation marriages: this is happening now. Even now parents seek life partners through online matrimonial, brokers.. etc. they look for candidates from their own caste and own religion. And they will interview them, checking the family backgrounds, appointing some detectives to check that person's character, etc.. After doing all these, once they shortlist the profiles, it will be shown to their children, then they will choose and parents will finalize it. success rate is moderate.

Another one which came from western culture, people choose their partners when they are studying or at work place, they will inform to parents and they will do all background checks and will go for marriage. Success rate is below average.

So, in the new generation 40% of decision making is given to children too. So, they were failing by falling in fair, wealthy and other worldly things.. not looking into their character, attitude.. etc..
 
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Raveena

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Even if you are christian, muslim or hindu or whatever religion you belong to, as you are Indian, only marriage that is accepted here is arranged marriage. It runs deep through the veins of Indian subcontinent. Love marriage is considered taboo here. Though the society is little liberal now. But still you must go through all the risks that are involved in love marriage. You must either run away if your parents are too strict or you must fight with them for them to accept your proposal. In both the ways you are mentally tortured rarely physically too. Sometimes even they are ready to kill you. I am not exaggerating. Especially the love marriage between the persons from different religions, castes, communities, regions, economical status are totally banned from the society. The best example is Divya - Ilavarasan marriage which become the headlines of news channels and papers for nearly 1 year. If you want to know about them google it. The main reasons are: Your relatives, your neighbors will not be with you at the time of crisis, at the time when they are the ones mostly needed.
They ban you from the society. So the parents fear that their name will be spoiled because this is the society that wants its name to held high. So they will do anything to protect it. So if you are arranged married you can approach to them for anything at anytime. But if you are love married and your parents don't like it you cannot approach them at all. You can turn only to your friends and we cannot guarantee they can help you fully if they got married and raise families. They help you only to a certain extent. This will have an effect on the children too. Not all arrange marrieds are living 'happily ever after' and not all love marrieds are lasting the risks of marriage involves. Most of the divorces due to various reasons are applied by love marrieds. So both the marriages have pro's and con's. The advantage in most of the arranged marriages are the thorough checking of the background of the bride and the bridegroom. But there are still arrange marrieds who regret their parents choice of their life partners and there are love marrieds who are very successful in their life. Society is the driving force of marriage in India.
The main criterias involved are: religion, caste, community, educational qualification, economical status, of course, region. There will be personal criterias too like height, skin complexion, (cooking for girls), beauty, character etc. Parents start to search for bride or bridegroom 1 or 2 years before the marriage through brokers, friends, relatives or matrimonial sites. Once they find out the right boy or girl two families fix the date for engagement, wedding with astrologer, priest, in case of christians they will fix it with pastor, bishop etc. Mostly all religious marriages resemble the same. Only the religious ceremonies differ.
Before 20 years or something brides didn't even allow to see the face of the bridegrooms and may be they will get married within 1 day to many weeks after deciding the bridegroom. But now the atmosphere is changing slowly. After engagement the boy and the girl go dating and get to know each other before the wedding.
This arranged marriage was mainly in the form of child marriage in which bride and bridegroom are married in very small age. This is now grown into arranged marriage. So I will not support any type of marriages.
So as a parent you cannot guarantee that your choice of bridegroom will be good or the boy your daughter chooses will be excellent. Make a list of yours, wife's and daughters' preferences and pray to god keeping your hands on that list. God will show you the right guy who is made for your daughter. Because our god never fails. But whatever you do pray that his will is done in your life. Then only your life will be prosperous.
Hope this helped you. If you feel offended in anyway, I sincerely apologize to you. Let his name be glorified on this earth. Amen.
 
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leonardronaldo

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Yes, as Indonesians I also see some incidents like that. But as a Christian, of course God's word comes first, if there is a contradiction between God's word and culture.
May God bless you in your Christian walk and welcome to this website.
 

jasveer

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I had an arranged marriage at the age of 19. I was born in Canada.mom took me to india to get married. at 19 I didn't realize what was happening. I married a 19 year old good looking guy. at 19 all i cared about was his looks.he said the only reason he married me is because of my looks. two very dumb teens. God blessed us with 2 boys and 2 girls. they are my treasures from heaven.My husband turned out to be completely opposite of me. I have strong morals, strong Christian,believe in family time together. husband believed in one thing that is drinking and spending his life with his buddies. my dad never drank his kids were the most important in his life. I for some reason thought all indian men were like that..good respectable kind men.my kids will never ever have arranged marriage. they will fall in love and find their true love to spend their life with. we are 6 kids and we all learned one thing do not make your kids get arranged marriage. I honestly feel sick when I think of myself marrying someone I didn't know his name I only cared he was handsome.not the reason to marry.i don't believe that kids born in Canada should marry kids born in india. there is so much difference in ever aspect of life.all of our 6 kids learned a very strong lesson, that is do not take your son or daughter to india to marry a stranger. I think I was a fool at 19. had no idea what I was getting into. if people in india marry other people in india that's fine its their culture.its no possible to mix Canadian born Indians to Indians born in india.God Bless.
 

jasveer

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Even if you are christian, muslim or hindu or whatever religion you belong to, as you are Indian, only marriage that is accepted here is arranged marriage. It runs deep through the veins of Indian subcontinent. Love marriage is considered taboo here. Though the society is little liberal now. But still you must go through all the risks that are involved in love marriage. You must either run away if your parents are too strict or you must fight with them for them to accept your proposal. In both the ways you are mentally tortured rarely physically too. Sometimes even they are ready to kill you. I am not exaggerating. Especially the love marriage between the persons from different religions, castes, communities, regions, economical status are totally banned from the society. The best example is Divya - Ilavarasan marriage which become the headlines of news channels and papers for nearly 1 year. If you want to know about them google it. The main reasons are: Your relatives, your neighbors will not be with you at the time of crisis, at the time when they are the ones mostly needed.
They ban you from the society. So the parents fear that their name will be spoiled because this is the society that wants its name to held high. So they will do anything to protect it. So if you are arranged married you can approach to them for anything at anytime. But if you are love married and your parents don't like it you cannot approach them at all. You can turn only to your friends and we cannot guarantee they can help you fully if they got married and raise families. They help you only to a certain extent. This will have an effect on the children too. Not all arrange marrieds are living 'happily ever after' and not all love marrieds are lasting the risks of marriage involves. Most of the divorces due to various reasons are applied by love marrieds. So both the marriages have pro's and con's. The advantage in most of the arranged marriages are the thorough checking of the background of the bride and the bridegroom. But there are still arrange marrieds who regret their parents choice of their life partners and there are love marrieds who are very successful in their life. Society is the driving force of marriage in India.
The main criterias involved are: religion, caste, community, educational qualification, economical status, of course, region. There will be personal criterias too like height, skin complexion, (cooking for girls), beauty, character etc. Parents start to search for bride or bridegroom 1 or 2 years before the marriage through brokers, friends, relatives or matrimonial sites. Once they find out the right boy or girl two families fix the date for engagement, wedding with astrologer, priest, in case of christians they will fix it with pastor, bishop etc. Mostly all religious marriages resemble the same. Only the religious ceremonies differ.
Before 20 years or something brides didn't even allow to see the face of the bridegrooms and may be they will get married within 1 day to many weeks after deciding the bridegroom. But now the atmosphere is changing slowly. After engagement the boy and the girl go dating and get to know each other before the wedding.
This arranged marriage was mainly in the form of child marriage in which bride and bridegroom are married in very small age. This is now grown into arranged marriage. So I will not support any type of marriages.
So as a parent you cannot guarantee that your choice of bridegroom will be good or the boy your daughter chooses will be excellent. Make a list of yours, wife's and daughters' preferences and pray to god keeping your hands on that list. God will show you the right guy who is made for your daughter. Because our god never fails. But whatever you do pray that his will is done in your life. Then only your life will be prosperous.
Hope this helped you. If you feel offended in anyway, I sincerely apologize to you. Let his name be glorified on this earth. Amen.
Raveena you spoke very honestly and spoke the truth.i don't think many people realize the indian traditions. its truly sad that the parents choose who their son or daughter will spend the rest of their life with.like you said its been going on for years.God Bless
 

Subhumanoidal

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Raveena you spoke very honestly and spoke the truth.i don't think many people realize the indian traditions. its truly sad that the parents choose who their son or daughter will spend the rest of their life with.like you said its been going on for years.God Bless
This thread is from 2013 and Raveena is mo longer a member of this site.
 
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TheIndianGirl

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The indians (from India) who go to college in the U.S. usually marry another indian they met at school; some may marry non-indians. None of these indians have arranged marriage, but there are instances where the parents may introduce their child to several potential suitors. Living away from home, a lot of them have sex outside of marriage. I know one couple who were coworkers in India who barely spoke to each other except in group settings, and the girl was surprised when the boy met her parents and asked them if he could marry her. I know a Brahmin girl in love with a Christian boy but her parents would not allow her to marry him (since the assumption is only poor people convert), and they are secretly living together in the U.S. for years. Neither will convert. No matter how they meet, parent approval is required for marriage. In my family, mostly Hindu, there have been rarely arranged marriages but mostly introductions if the person cannot find someone.
 

justahumanbeing

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I will answer the first question. I am of a marriageable age and often times I think I should marry someone who would be interested in me or someone who would love me and accept me for who I am. I've made certain lifestyle choices in that I am pursuing a career and will not be earning enough immediately to support a family. And because I know I will not have enough to start a family has always stayed my hand when I thought about asking someone I like to go out with me. Or even approach women. But what knowledge I glean from what I am doing as a career now could benefit my children if I would have any in the future. If not my children then at least many of my countrymen. I pursue Brazilian Jiu jitsu. I'm a pro athlete. God willing, I hope all these desires of mine becomes fulfilled in my life. That's my prayer. That's me. If I wasn't doing what I'm doing, then I would marry. Take up a job. Have kids God willing. Build a family. That's how life usually is.

Concerning arranged marriage in India. I suspect you would know for yourself what it is and you would have your perspective. This is how I look at it now. People in India take pride in the fact that 50% to 60% Indian marriages are arranged approximately and divorce rates are lower than those anywhere else. The whole concept of arranged marriage in India is based upon preserving Caste hierarchy and upholding the caste system. Traditional arranged marriages happen between cousins in India. examples: the brother will marry the daughter of his sister. This has happened and still continues to happen. You see instances of it in movies. The children of cousins intermarry. And then between a brother and sister, the sister's son will marry the daughter of his uncle, his mother's brother. Cousins marry each other. I myself come from a family where such marriages happen even to this day.

Now people in my generation have started to understand that marrying within the same gene-pool is not good for the children who would be born out of such a union scientifically. They are more prone to have genetic disorders than the children begotten by people who marry outside their families and communities.

The real reason this system exists is to preserve wealth from getting dispersed away from your community and to make sure that societal structure (Caste hierarchy) doesn't get broken. This system is prevalent in India because of varnashrama dharma (Hindu dogma). The hindu dogma extends even into Indian Christian societies and you see caste based marriages. I have had many opportunities myself to get married in this way but thought the better of it and decided to stay away from getting married in such a way. I have gotten asked what my caste was by the fathers of Christian women. Same way you get asked what's your father's occupation by your teachers in school or even by some elderly folk here. India is through and through a casteist society and majority of Indian marriages are casteist by nature.

You see a lot of romantic movies in india. Yet in truth, there is no encouragement for romance by Indian parents mainly because they are keen to preserve a Hindu based caste hierarchy system even if they get converted to Christianity. Thankfully, this is not there in the Islam community as much as it is in Hinduism. For Muslims greet another Muslim as a brother (equals). That's why you see the hatred and oppression of Muslims here in India. Even those who are Christians in India have caste based marriages. No marriage system in the world is as discriminatory as the arranged marriage system. How will the husband know if he will like the wife without taking the time to know who she is before marrying her. Or vice versa, how will the wife know if the husband she has chosen is not who she wants to be with for the rest of her life. You meet a lot of good people during education. But get married to complete strangers.

Engineering students from this country will tell you how young men and women are treated on campus. How men and women are supposed to sit separately from each other. The amount of misogyny that goes along with an arranged marriage is uncanny. The thali being tied around the neck of the bride by the bridegroom extends his authority over the bride like she was some land or property to be fenced. What does the wife give the husband in return?? Nothing. The husband is free. Indian society is a patriarchal, misogynistic and casteist society and so are Indian arranged marriages.

Please don't take my word for it. Do your own research and arrive at your own conclusions. And while you're at it, test if there is any truth in what I have said.
 

Subhumanoidal

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I will answer the first question. I am of a marriageable age and often times I think I should marry someone who would be interested in me or someone who would love me and accept me for who I am. I've made certain lifestyle choices in that I am pursuing a career and will not be earning enough immediately to support a family. And because I know I will not have enough to start a family has always stayed my hand when I thought about asking someone I like to go out with me. Or even approach women. But what knowledge I glean from what I am doing as a career now could benefit my children if I would have any in the future. If not my children then at least many of my countrymen. I pursue Brazilian Jiu jitsu. I'm a pro athlete. God willing, I hope all these desires of mine becomes fulfilled in my life. That's my prayer. That's me. If I wasn't doing what I'm doing, then I would marry. Take up a job. Have kids God willing. Build a family. That's how life usually is.

Concerning arranged marriage in India. I suspect you would know for yourself what it is and you would have your perspective. This is how I look at it now. People in India take pride in the fact that 50% to 60% Indian marriages are arranged approximately and divorce rates are lower than those anywhere else. The whole concept of arranged marriage in India is based upon preserving Caste hierarchy and upholding the caste system. Traditional arranged marriages happen between cousins in India. examples: the brother will marry the daughter of his sister. This has happened and still continues to happen. You see instances of it in movies. The children of cousins intermarry. And then between a brother and sister, the sister's son will marry the daughter of his uncle, his mother's brother. Cousins marry each other. I myself come from a family where such marriages happen even to this day.

Now people in my generation have started to understand that marrying within the same gene-pool is not good for the children who would be born out of such a union scientifically. They are more prone to have genetic disorders than the children begotten by people who marry outside their families and communities.

The real reason this system exists is to preserve wealth from getting dispersed away from your community and to make sure that societal structure (Caste hierarchy) doesn't get broken. This system is prevalent in India because of varnashrama dharma (Hindu dogma). The hindu dogma extends even into Indian Christian societies and you see caste based marriages. I have had many opportunities myself to get married in this way but thought the better of it and decided to stay away from getting married in such a way. I have gotten asked what my caste was by the fathers of Christian women. Same way you get asked what's your father's occupation by your teachers in school or even by some elderly folk here. India is through and through a casteist society and majority of Indian marriages are casteist by nature.

You see a lot of romantic movies in india. Yet in truth, there is no encouragement for romance by Indian parents mainly because they are keen to preserve a Hindu based caste hierarchy system even if they get converted to Christianity. Thankfully, this is not there in the Islam community as much as it is in Hinduism. For Muslims greet another Muslim as a brother (equals). That's why you see the hatred and oppression of Muslims here in India. Even those who are Christians in India have caste based marriages. No marriage system in the world is as discriminatory as the arranged marriage system. How will the husband know if he will like the wife without taking the time to know who she is before marrying her. Or vice versa, how will the wife know if the husband she has chosen is not who she wants to be with for the rest of her life. You meet a lot of good people during education. But get married to complete strangers.

Engineering students from this country will tell you how young men and women are treated on campus. How men and women are supposed to sit separately from each other. The amount of misogyny that goes along with an arranged marriage is uncanny. The thali being tied around the neck of the bride by the bridegroom extends his authority over the bride like she was some land or property to be fenced. What does the wife give the husband in return?? Nothing. The husband is free. Indian society is a patriarchal, misogynistic and casteist society and so are Indian arranged marriages.

Please don't take my word for it. Do your own research and arrive at your own conclusions. And while you're at it, test if there is any truth in what I have said.
You should have researched this thread. It's from 2013.