How old is our creation really?

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bojack said:
I saw one of them explaining how a land animal grew into a whale saying over eons the nostrils began to merge and move from the snout and become a present day blowhole on their back Bwahahahaha .. And become a perfect sea creature straining out plankton to eat .. I say get that man a straight jacket who says this type thing being serious ..

And the life cycle of the guinea worm is the most incredible thing ever , there are no chances ..
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Over the years I had many arguments with atheists trying to explain their way of thinking. It was always interesting to experience their ignorance. They will not admit defeat because then they will have to repent. Sad really...
 
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bojack said:
Yes, I believe Adam was created on the 6th day and placed in the garden .. But while he and eve lived in the garden the others which could have been as few as 6 that could include genetics all the races or Adam could have contained all the material himself .. The outside bunch had a 130 yr head start populating the earth before Cain was conceived outside the garden then more time after plus he grew up .. Abel was killed and Seth come along to replace him, more time .. Population can grow pretty quick where there's no TV . My clue is Noah's sons married daughter and could have been beautiful daughters of any race to re populate earth .. And mrs noah could have been genetically diverse from Noah, Noah himself probably was imo .. I also don't believe God ever approved of marrying sisters or extreme close kin .. On a side note I also don't believe Sarah was Abrahams 1/2 sister .. More probably a cousin ..
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I always wondered about this myself. I don't think it is Biblical but it would be interesting to receive the knowledge from Abba Father when we meet him face to face.
 
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Fundamental said:
I have seen that one:)
And in some way he has a strong point. Although they are so persistent in the wrong model by ignoring the hand of God, a creator.

We share genetic variation coming from our mother and father. BUT We lose/gain genetic material by insemination. Not by mutation :)
We as humans have done selection through insemination over and over again.

Even when they create crops or animals in labs, they need to inseminate to get to an actual F1 generation. Selection doesn’t require mutation, it takes what is there and reorganises it.
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Over the years I had many arguments with atheists trying to explain their way of thinking. It was always interesting to experience their ignorance. They will not admit defeat because then they will have to repent. Sad really...
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I can almost understand the deception 200 years ago but there's no excuse the last 40 years especially today .
 
bojack said:
I also don't believe Sarah was Abrahams 1/2 sister .. More probably a cousin ..
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She was the wife of Abram's brother Haran who died before they their father had departed from UR. Genesis 11:26 or thereabouts. Abram married her and Abram's brother married Haran daughter,
 
bojack said:
I can almost understand the deception 200 years ago but there's no excuse the last 40 years especially today .
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Of course there is... Look at the lies we’ve been spooned since birth on. It takes a near death experience for most people to get to the actual essence of life.
Jesus also said on the cross “Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.”

We do not know what we are doing...
 
Fundamental said:
I have seen that one:)
And in some way he has a strong point. Although they are so persistent in the wrong model by ignoring the hand of God, a creator.

We share genetic variation coming from our mother and father. BUT We lose/gain genetic material by insemination. Not by mutation :)
We as humans have done selection through insemination over and over again.

Even when they create crops or animals in labs, they need to inseminate to get to an actual F1 generation. Selection doesn’t require mutation, it takes what is there and reorganises it.
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How can you lose genetic material , you don't use the vast quantity we carry .. 24 chromosomes from each parent are selected with infinite almost possibilities through out the DNA strand from slight fingernail different shapes to hair color ..


Fruit flies are still fruit flies .. And the bacteria they said changed was actually the same bacteria on steroids they'd give it ..
 
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Fundamental said:
Of course there is... Look at the lies we’ve been spooned since birth on. It takes a near death experience for most people to get to the actual essence of life.
Jesus also said on the cross “Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.”

We do not know what we are doing...
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Ha, I was talking about evolution and origin of life .. But I agree we don't know what we're talking about, especially when we go against or outside the Word ..
 
UnoiAmarah said:
She was the wife of Abram's brother Haran who died before they their father had departed from UR. Genesis 11:26 or thereabouts. Abram married her and Abram's brother married Haran daughter,
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Something like ''we have the same father but we don't have the same mother'' .. Terah had 3 sons with no mention of other sons of daughters .. How did you figure Sarah was married previously , just asking .. I know Abram had to explain how and what he was talking about when he was coaching her ..
 
UnoiAmarah said:
So do you think Matthew 1:1 should be taken literally?

So if Genesis 1:1 isn't written in a manner to be taken literally then how do you create a universe unless you begin with an expanse of space? In the beginning God created the heaven, So what is that expanse of space but a body of matter. and the earth,

So the Genesis model begins with a spherical body of space that was created in the beginning of the universe.


I think the Holy Ghost wrote the scriptures of the Torah to be taken literally since that is the way he teaches the precepts within them.
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It also have a flat circular earth, light without a sun, and a unfrozen floating ball of water that he’s hovering over. Each generation had read what they scientifically understood into the Bible. That’s not what ancient Jewish people believed when they read the Bible 6,000 years ago. Their idea of the heavens (sky and space) and the world is very different from ours.
 
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Skovand said:
It also have a flat circular earth, light without a sun, and a unfrozen floating ball of water that he’s hovering over. Each generation had read what they scientifically understood into the Bible. That’s not what ancient Jewish people believed when they read the Bible 6,000 years ago. Their idea of the heavens (sky and space) and the world is very different from ours.
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in apply the same tactics to the weather. Is meteorology true or is it atheistic? How does the Bible say weather occurs? Use the same standard you use for genesis 1-2 for origins of everything and apply that standard to the verses about what makes it rain.
 
Fundamental said:
Of course there is... Look at the lies we’ve been spooned since birth on. It takes a near death experience for most people to get to the actual essence of life.
Jesus also said on the cross “Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.”

We do not know what we are doing...
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You got that right. Even parents begin telling us lies from as soon as we can understand them.

Is it any wonder we can never get the truth from here on out? And we have politicians lie to us
24/7? And then we vote the best liar into office?
A fact well established by psychologist's studies.
 
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Fundamental said:
I have seen that one:)
And in some way he has a strong point. Although they are so persistent in the wrong model by ignoring the hand of God, a creator.

We share genetic variation coming from our mother and father. BUT We lose/gain genetic material by insemination. Not by mutation :)
We as humans have done selection through insemination over and over again.

Even when they create crops or animals in labs, they need to inseminate to get to an actual F1 generation. Selection doesn’t require mutation, it takes what is there and reorganises it.
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Mutations do occur but are deleterious/deadly to the organism.
 
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Fundamental said:
That is what they are basiscly teaching. That gradual mutations over millions of years add up to a new species. I see them confusing different species with other ones.

We clearly see there were different kinds of humans roaming the past. But I can not clearly see we evolved out of fish or share a common ancestor with apes.

What I really see? God created something perfect but there were opposite forces. Forces God said not to get wise in. But we as species gave ourselves over to knowledge and we got changed by fallen angels. God had to intervene with a global disaster leaving only the genetic material of few behind.

We think eugenics is new? I think it was there ever since mankind got corrupted by evil forces to hijack this world. These fallen angels have been trying to create their own human in the past and they are doing it now again. They want to connect us to a digital network you and I know nothing about (yet). But we see it’s here already in some sleeping form getting more active each day.

The Agent Smith out of the Matrix might very soon be a genuine charactar in this real world. Now it is still spiritual and digital, but may soon be very very physical.
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Totally agree my friend. They are experimenting with transhumanism and A.I.
The globalist satanic elite are all in on this thing. The herd is being driven in that direction right now as we speak.

The end of the age is nigh everybody. This is it we're almost there.
 
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bojack said:
There are restrictions in genetic codes per kind , you can breed for 6000 yrs but if it ain't in there you can't create it .. There are limits you can't go past and like I mentioned before ''God could have triggers coded into DNA'' but I can't admit information can be created by a man or animal at will .. Breed some 6 legged turkeys like John Madden used to have on thanksgiving NFL and I'll consider .. lol .. And just because I got 3 toes on one foot and 7 on the other don't mean I can't count to ten lol .. love discussing these things by the way (y)
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DNA is a 3 out of 4 error correcting self replicating digital code.

You could conduct an experiment: fence off a square mile and put every single breed of dog within that confine. Come back in 200 years and what you will see is a bunch of more or less identical and standardized curs.

Inherently, DNA deviates to the meaning of its signal. It is specifically designed not to mutate, thus preserving each kind.
 
bojack said:
There are restrictions in genetic codes per kind , you can breed for 6000 yrs but if it ain't in there you can't create it .. There are limits you can't go past and like I mentioned before ''God could have triggers coded into DNA'' but I can't admit information can be created by a man or animal at will .. Breed some 6 legged turkeys like John Madden used to have on thanksgiving NFL and I'll consider .. lol .. And just because I got 3 toes on one foot and 7 on the other don't mean I can't count to ten lol .. love discussing these things by the way (y)
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Genetic limits are reached when a species goes extinct. e.g. they couldn't sprout wings to fly to a different climate. Dog breeds at their extreme limits have severe health problems and are barely viable.
 
Skovand said:
Again, I’m not an atheist by any means. Before I even believed in evolution strongly or gave much thought to it by studying Hebrew and studying patterns of the Tanakh and seeing what other scholars teased out of the stories and studying literature analysis it became clear a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 was not an honest understanding of the story. Same for Job and Jonah. Both of those stories are clearly wrote as fictional tales to convey a truth. Jesus himself used many fictional parables and examples and finally in revelation we see it being really used to create a artistic tale.
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OK. So when your opinion where are we heading? Spaceships colonizing the cosmos?
 
Skovand said:
Again, I’m not an atheist by any means. Before I even believed in evolution strongly or gave much thought to it by studying Hebrew and studying patterns of the Tanakh and seeing what other scholars teased out of the stories and studying literature analysis it became clear a literal interpretation of Genesis 1-11 was not an honest understanding of the story. Same for Job and Jonah. Both of those stories are clearly wrote as fictional tales to convey a truth. Jesus himself used many fictional parables and examples and finally in revelation we see it being really used to create a artistic tale.
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bojack said:
Something like ''we have the same father but we don't have the same mother'' .. Terah had 3 sons with no mention of other sons of daughters .. How did you figure Sarah was married previously , just asking .. I know Abram had to explain how and what he was talking about when he was coaching her ..
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Haran's wife would have been Abram's sister, because she was his father's daughter being the wife of Haran. However, when Haran died, his wife would no longer be the daughter of his father, but she would she would be his father's his daughter in law. being his deceased son's widow. Since Abram's wife would be his father's daughter, the reference to Sarai as the daughter in law of Terah meant that she would be a widow of a son of Terah.

Anyways, being the eldest son Abram would be the one responsible for caring for his brother's wife when his brother died. The daughter of Haran who married Nahor was Sarai's child, also Iscah, Lot too. That is evident since Abram would have had to knocked out a few for his brother but since that wouldn't be required if she already had bare children.
 
Skovand said:
It also have a flat circular earth, light without a sun, and a unfrozen floating ball of water that he’s hovering over. Each generation had read what they scientifically understood into the Bible. That’s not what ancient Jewish people believed when they read the Bible 6,000 years ago. Their idea of the heavens (sky and space) and the world is very different from ours.
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The scriptures are what they are, they can be interpreted differently but the precept can't be different interpretations.

Jewish people didn't read the Bible 6,000 years ago since nobody knew how to read and write the written spoken word until around 1446 BC. :whistle:
 
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