Would you prefer to begin with John 1? This would really help put everything in perspective.Please, no rush. The reading will be more than worth it. It is one of if not the greatest mysteries in Scripture. Thank you so much.
Would you prefer to begin with John 1? This would really help put everything in perspective.Please, no rush. The reading will be more than worth it. It is one of if not the greatest mysteries in Scripture. Thank you so much.
Yes, if that makes the most sense. And whatever Scripture you deem essential for the explanation. Believers have been puzzling over this forever. The creeds may help but do not account for everything. thank you again.Would you prefer to begin with John 1? This would really help put everything in perspective.
And you know this how? You must be a Oneness Pentecostal to believe that Jesus is all three persons of the Godhead.
This is called "Modalism.' So answer me this verse, Mark 1:11, "And there came a voice out of heaven, Thou art My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Who is the speaker in the verse and what person is the speaker referring?
In Him,
bluto
First of all, I can see why you would use this Scripture, but this Scripture is for a Specific Purpose. John, the Baptist, was Promised a Sign so he would know Who he was Preparing the Way for. He, John, even testifies this. So, had not God Promised this to John, I wonder if it would have happened? Does not matter because it did happen. The Voice is God, and in Role of the Father, God, announces His Son. But what is Interesting about this Voice Speaking, is we know the Father is in the Son Dwelling and doing His Will.And you know this how? You must be a Oneness Pentecostal to believe that Jesus is all three persons of the Godhead.
This is called "Modalism.' So answer me this verse, Mark 1:11, "And there came a voice out of heaven, Thou art My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Who is the speaker in the verse and what person is the speaker referring?
In Him,
bluto
On second thought, I think I'll start with Phil 2 and then move to Heb, 1. We can come back to John 1 if you have any questions over that text.Yes, if that makes the most sense. And whatever Scripture you deem essential for the explanation. Believers have been puzzling over this forever. The creeds may help but do not account for everything. thank you again.
By Glen RogersYes, if that makes the most sense. And whatever Scripture you deem essential for the explanation. Believers have been puzzling over this forever. The creeds may help but do not account for everything. thank you again.
His obedience required much more than Adam too. Adam was told not to do something. The Son was told He had to do something, which was giving His life on the cross to save us. He did it as a Man too while He was emptied. This is an excellent explanation for Philippians 2:6. Thank you for sharing this. Everyone should read it.By Glen Rogers
In Philippians 2:6, the apostle Paul begins with the acknowledgement that Jesus is God and provides us with a revealed analysis of his redemptive function. Paul does not begin his discussion of Jesus from the vantage point of the incarnation but from that of eternity. What Paul stresses in the first part of this chapter is the example of humility that Jesus gave us in his willingness to divest himself of this form for a time on our behalf. This of course does not suggest that he ceased be God. He does not strip himself of deity. I am quite sure that we will never fully understand everything involved in Jesus’ having emptied himself of divine form and equality. All we can rely on is the language of the text. The word translated emptied means to lay aside. How do we explain how, even in the flesh, he is still God yet remains so without retaining anything that defines divine nature? Perhaps ‘to lay aside’ offers the best explanation. He laid it aside as one would a garment, then in Hebrews chapter one we will see him take it up again.
Emptying of Form: Empty is the verb that defines the action. Equal is an adjective that defines his nature. Equality is a noun that tells what was emptied out.
This is not a passive action. This is self-actuating. No one is doing this to him. He is the one who does the emptying. What he empties out of himself is both equality with God and divine nature. He must possess these qualities intrinsically in order to empty them out of himself.
In order for Jesus to fulfill his redemptive mission, he must assume a fleshly posture. We can find at least four reasons for this in scripture.
Divine essence cannot die. As man he will die.
The requirements of the Law of Moses required a sacrifice of flesh and blood. Divine essence is not made of flesh and blood.
His heritage must come from a specific fleshly linage. As God, he has no linage.
The demands of the Law were imposed upon man, and it was required that man fulfill them. The Law required not only that man fulfill its demands but that only a man of the seed of Abraham to whom the Law was given. Thus, a Gentile could never have satisfied the Law, Romans 1:1-5.
Fulfilling the function of a sacrifice required that he assume the form of a sacrifice. In this metamorphosis, he poured out of himself every expression of deity. We do not know how he does this, only that this text shows us that he did. Divine essence is now submitted to limitations. As God, these characteristics of essence are by their very nature, without boundaries or limitations; but as man, he will be subject to all of the same sets of determined relations that limit all men. Divine character is now submitted to vulnerability. As God, he cannot be tempted, but as man, he yields his divine character to the onslaught of Satan. He becomes the second Adam. He exposes his own moral integrity to the same temptations that are common to all men, Hebrews 2:18, 4:15, and 5:2. Yet, unlike Adam, he maintains his integrity all the way to the cross, Hebrews 4:15 and 2:9. He succeeds where Adam failed. He simply never sinned.
Emptying of Equality:
The word translated equality is nominative and accusative plural neuter suggesting equality in quantity or quality, Thayer's p 307. This is the same language used by Jesus in Matthew 20:12. Here, Jesus relates the parable of the workers in the vineyard. The accusation by those who had labored all day was that the Master was unjust because in giving equal wages to those who had worked fewer hours than they had worked he had granted them equal status. Paul now uses this same word to express the nature of Jesus' divine status. He did not gain his divine equality by an act of seizure or robbery. This equality is his by right of divine essence.
Not according to scriptureBecause he's just a single Person
Not according to scripture
in the begning God (plural)
And Gd said Let US make man in OUR image
This is also excellent and very helpful. The "He learned" part is very interesting. He also learned and experienced the wickedness of man through what was done to Him and His suffering. Hebrews 5. He was also perfected by what He did for us. You may have comments on the word perfected as well. thank youThe Form of a Servant:
By Glen Rogers
Taking the form of a servant is an exchange of nature. He exchanged the essence of God for the essence of man. Spirit clothes itself with flesh, John 1:1-2, Hebrews 2:14 and 10:5-10. This is much more than just a transformation from spirit to flesh. Every attribute that defined him as God will either be submitted to limitations or subjected to vulnerability. Omnipotence yields itself to dependency. The all-sufficient one now becomes fully dependent, Isaiah 12, John 5:30 and Matthew 4:1-10. He became subject to all of the same sets of determined relations that are part of all human existence. Omniscience gives way to revelation. He must learn God’s will as a man and submit to it, Hebrews 10:7, Deuteronomy 18:18-19, John 12:49-50 and 17-4. Omnipresence confines itself to the limitations of time and space. His Eternal nature is surrendered for mortality – he became subject to death. The transcendent One became an equal among his fleshly brethren, Hebrews 2:17. The unified One became the cursed of God, Mark 15:34, Galatians 3:13 and 2 Corinthians 5:21. The unchanging One became subject to change. He not only changes form but his fleshly form will also be subject to all of the changes of natural biological processes.
In keeping with the posture of a servant / slave, Paul says that he did nothing through selfishness; that he did not seek his own glory but regarded others as more important than himself. He placed the needs of others above his own. He emptied himself. The servant reserves nothing of himself. He stands stripped of all personal will. All has become completely subjected. This is total surrender of control. Now, he is in the likeness of man. In the beginning, God, this God, created man in his own image, according to his own likeness. Now, this same God steps out of eternity into time to be made in the image of his creation - man. The Creator becomes the creature. The Lord of all becomes the servant of all. The Governor of the universe becomes subordinate to another and all of this by his own will.
A Cloak of Humility, Philippians 2:8:
Humility is not foreign to the character of man but rather intrinsic to it. Humility is demonstrated by obedience that characterized the life and ministry of the Lord. He “became obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.” ‘Became’ suggests a change of status. Before assuming the posture of a man, he is not subject to deity as a subordinate creature or even as a lesser member of the triadic unity. This is a process of character development as a man, Matthew 26:52-54. He must learn obedience to the will of God as a man, completely subject to the will of the Father, Hebrews 5:8-9. He did not allow his status as Son of God to exempt him from the obligation of obedience. What then did he learn about obedience? There are at least eight things that scripture reveals about this learning process.
He learned its duty – Even though he was a son – This is the duty of sonship.
He learned its necessity – The cup cannot pass unless he drinks it.
He learned its demand – All that I am and all that I have – This is total consecration.
He learned its cost – For a time, it cost him even heaven itself. In the end, even his human life.
He learned its integrity – He kept the law of God all the way to the cross.
He learned its honor – He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey.
He learned its reward – He was highly exalted and given a name that is above every name. Because he learned all these things, he is now able to lay hold of the reward of obedience.
“Even death on the cross.” This is the last greatest act of humility. It is the culmination of everything in the purpose of God to redeem man back to himself. This is the last full measure of devotion for loves sake. He does not even consider equality with man a thing to hold on to. He even pours himself out to become the cursed of the cursed, Galatians 3:13 and Deuteronomy 21:23.
Enthroned and Glorified, Philippians 2:9-11
“Therefore” (because he humbled himself) God highly exalted him, 9.
“Given a name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow,” 9-10 and Romans 14:11 – “Every knee shall bow and confess that Jesus is Lord / Jehovah,” Isaiah 45:23.
You are most welcome.His obedience required much more than Adam too. Adam was told not to do something. The Son was told He had to do something, which was giving His life on the cross to save us. He did it as a Man too while He was emptied. This is an excellent explanation for Philippians 2:6. Thank you for sharing this. Everyone should read it.
Do you believe they are not contradictory? Why?
Do you rely on faith to believe they are consistent with each other? Is that an excuse or a reason?
Inquiring minds want to know! Leave your answers below, eh.
This is also excellent and very helpful. The "He learned" part is very interesting. He also learned and experienced the wickedness of man through what was done to Him and His suffering. Hebrews 5. He was also perfected by what He did for us. You may have comments on the word perfected as well. thank you