How do you get saved?

[Wansvic]

then why do you do it?

Yet non of them say it is required to be saved.

God does nto contradict himself. neither did Paul. And acts did not contradict Jesus or paul

There is no contradiction.
Scripture reveals it is by God's design that obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus is what remits sin. And as such no one will enter the kingdom of God without obedience to the command.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your understanding is not consistent with the word.

Scripture reveals those who did not obey God's circumcision command were cut off from his people. "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." Gen 17:13-14

This concerns the covenant between God and Israel concerning land.

Not eternal salvation..

once again, Read the story of Jonah and Nineveh. Nineveh where gentiles,..they did not get circumcised. yet they will be in heaven and judged the circumcised who rejected God.

The biblical record reveals all believers are to repent and be baptized to remit sin, and receive the Holy Ghost as well. There are no accounts of individuals living in the NT that were saved without obeying God's command of water baptism.

Sad

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And [o]those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

They received the spirit just like the circumcised did. Before they got Baptized.

Nice try

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

There is no contradiction.
Scripture reveals it is by God's design that obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus is what remits sin. And as such no one will enter the kingdom of God without obedience to the command.

yet jesus said whoever recieved him is made a child of God (john 1)

Jesus said whoever believes will never perish, but live forever. then said whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does nto believe is condemned already (jn 3)

Jesus said ask, and he will give living water flowing to eternal life (john 4)

Jesus said whoever hears him and believes shall not come unto judgment, but has passed from death to life (john 5)

Jesus said whoever believes in him will never perish, will live forever. never hunger or thirst. and will be raised (john 6)

I can go on and on and on.

Your legalistic works based self righteous gospel will not stand

 

[Rapture]

The Bible directly links baptism to salvation: Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” John 3:5 “Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God

 

[Wansvic]

See your still confused, and still refusing to go and see and still stuck on the english text.

Lets look at the words in the greek .

repent - Metanoesate - to repent - Verb Aorist Active, Imperitive, Second person Plural

Be baptized - Baptistheto - Baptizo - be baptized - Verb, Aorist Passive Imperative, Third Person, Singular

So we see with these two verbs,

1. One is an action we must do. It also is a command given to EVERYONE in the audience to whom peter is speaking
2. The other is an action that is done to you, It is given to only select induviduals. and not a command given to everyone.

The you shall receive the gift of the spirit. - lepsesthe - verb, future, middle, indicative, send person, plural

3. We see, receiving the gift is a verb future, indicative verb that happens to those to whom the verb related. which would be repent (it would not be baptized, because baptized is in a different form)

4. Remission of sin is a singular noun, which is the subject of the singular verb "be baptized) and related only to this.

Since the gift of the spirit is ONLY given to those who have had their sins already forgiven (remission of sin) then remission of sin is the result of repenting. which is required. if one has not repented. they will nto believe. Hence, Wat peter is saying to those who received remission of sin, Get baptize. Not to receive it, for they already had it.

But if you want to continue to trust your flawed text and flawed interpretation. feel free.

Your understanding is inconsistent with the sum of God's word.

 

[Lamar]

The Bible directly links baptism to salvation: Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” John 3:5 “Jesus answered, 'I tell you the truth, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God

You are quite correct.

There is no reason for these verses to exist if baptism is not linked to salvation.

 

[Wansvic]

yet jesus said whoever recieved him is made a child of God (john 1)

Jesus said whoever believes will never perish, but live forever. then said whoever believes is not condemned, whoever does nto believe is condemned already (jn 3)

Jesus said ask, and he will give living water flowing to eternal life (john 4)

Jesus said whoever hears him and believes shall not come unto judgment, but has passed from death to life (john 5)

Jesus said whoever believes in him will never perish, will live forever. never hunger or thirst. and will be raised (john 6)

I can go on and on and on.

Your legalistic works based self righteous gospel will not stand

Believing prompts obedience. Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. Heb. 5:9

 

[Lamar]

Believing prompts obedience. Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. Heb. 5:9

Everlasting-Grace,

I suggest you open your eyes and listen to these scriptures.

There is no shame in admitting you are wrong.

Lamar

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your understanding is inconsistent with the sum of God's word.

Actually I agree completely with Jesus as dies
My interpretation. You will have to do better than that

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Believing prompts obedience. Jesus is the author of eternal salvation to those who obey Him. Heb. 5:9

Repentance prompts belief.
Belief may translate to faith
faith translates to eternal salvation

Salvation promos Obedience
your trying to put the cart before the horse. Praise god not your works. He said it is finished. Not I did My part now you do yours

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Everlasting-Grace,

I suggest you open your eyes and listen to these scriptures.

There is no shame in admitting you are wrong.

Lamar

I suggest you read what you posted me. And practice what you preach

 

[Wansvic]

...Even John 3:16, which most use to promote this doctrine is not “present tense” but says those who believe SHOULD NOT perish. Not that they won’t perish but they shouldn’t perish. Why? Because true believers should obey whatever God says. God says He that believes and is baptized will be saved. True believers are willing to obey what He says because they believe. A person may CLAIM to believe but if they aren’t willing to obey God then they are NOT true believers. Jesus said those that love Him, obey Him. That’s one way Jesus knows who loves Him and who do not love Him.

Thank you for sharing! This revelation is powerful. My prayer is others will see the truth that God has used you to point out. It is yet another reminder that believing, in and of itself, does not assure a person will receive what Jesus died to provide.

I am reminded of the words Jesus spoke to believers in Matthew 7:18-24; I never knew you. Immediately afterward, Jesus explained the need to lay a proper foundation. And baptism is stated as one of the foundational elements according to Hebrews 6:1-2

Scripture also reveals water baptism is to be administered in the name of Jesus. Something many reject. Consider the implication in regards to what Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48) The implication is that those who refuse to believe and obey water baptism in His name are openly rejecting Jesus and His word.

Take note that the individuals in Matthew 7 professed prophesying, casting out devils and doing many wonderful works in Jesus' name, as do many believers in various denominations. But did they, like many today, reject the idea of being water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of their sin.

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:" Matthew 7:18-24

 

[Lamar]

Mark 16:16 doesn’t teach baptismal regeneration here my friend. It is the preaching of the Gospel that saves. The baptism here mentions results from belief in Christ and his gospel.

Sorry but it is the obedience to the Gospel that saves.
Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

If it was simply the "preaching of the Gospel" then salvation would be universal.

The baptism here mentions results from belief in Christ and his gospel. The conjunction “and” is used to mean “before”, introducing a consequence, actual or predictive, hence the word “baptized” is dropped in the second clause.

Silly English composition tricks will not work.

There are no versions of the Bible that use verbiage to suggest such an understanding.

Conjunction:

1. GRAMMAR
   a word used to connect clauses or sentences or to coordinate words in the same clause (e.g. and, but, if ).
   the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Thank you for sharing! This revelation is powerful. My prayer is others will see the truth that God has used you to point out. It is yet another reminder that believing, in and of itself, does not assure a person will receive what Jesus died to provide.

I am reminded of the words Jesus spoke to believers in Matthew 7:18-24; I never knew you. Immediately afterward, Jesus explained the need to lay a proper foundation. And baptism is stated as one of the foundational elements according to Hebrews 6:1-2

Scripture also reveals water baptism is to be administered in the name of Jesus. Something many reject. Consider the implication in regards to what Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48) The implication is that those who refuse to believe and obey water baptism in His name are openly rejecting Jesus and His word.

Take note that the individuals in Matthew 7 professed prophesying, casting out devils and doing many wonderful works in Jesus' name, as do many believers in various denominations. But did they, like many today, reject the idea of being water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of their sin.

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:" Matthew 7:18-24

Do we try’s god and his promise or our own work

You can’t claim you trust God when your whole Gospel is full of works

 

[Magenta]

He clearly did not repent of his sin. Both repentance and being baptized is required. One does not suffice.

There is one baptism. You believe it is by earthly water which has no inherent power to save.

I believe it is baptism by Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit of God.

All power and authority belong to Jesus. I'll stick with that baptism.

That does not believe I am against water baptism. I just don't believe it saves anyone.

People normally get baptized because they are already saved.
If not, the water does nothing for them but get them wet.

Ephesians 4:5-6

 

[Magenta]

Jesus washed us from our sins in His own blood.

Jesus suffered to sanctify the people by His own blood.

John 17:2-3~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.

 

[Sipsey]

(II) The term báptisma is a technical NT term. It begins with John's baptism in or with water (Mt 3:7; 21:25; Mk 1:4; 11:30; Lk 3:3; 7:29; 20:4; Ac 1:22; 10:37; 13:24; 18:25; 19:3,4). In all these instances, this baptism is called the baptism of John or the baptism of repentance. This was a distinct baptism associated with John, the forerunner of Jesus Christ (Ac 19:4). It was known as "baptism of repentance" relating it to repentance. It was also known as John's baptism (Lk 7:29).

It should not be taken as the same as the baptism of Jesus or the baptism in the name of Jesus (Ac 19:5) or the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Mt 28:19). It is said in Ac 18:25 that Apollos knew only the baptism of John.

When the believers at Ephesus, including Apollos, were found to have been baptized only unto John's baptism (Ac 19:3), they were not told by Paul that such was sufficient nor that it was identical with the baptism "in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Ac 19:5). It was then that they were truly baptized into the body of Christ according to 1Co 12:13. Almost concurrently Paul placed his hands upon these disciples of John just baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus, and the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with languages or tongues and prophesied.

This was the unique demonstration of the baptism with the Holy Spirit, and this was the third time that it occurred confirming that Jews first were baptized with the Holy Spirit and became members of the body of Christ.

In Ac 11:15,16 Peter speaks to Cornelius and the other Gentiles of Caesarea telling them that as the Jews had the Holy Spirit come upon them at first and they spoke with languages (tongues) unknown to them according to Ac 10:44-46, so the same Holy Spirit came also upon the Gentile believers. As the Jews in Ac 2 spoke with other languages or dialects according to Ac 2:4,6,8,11, so the Gentiles, too, would do the same, which they did (Ac 10:46).

 

[Shilohsfoal]

He clearly did not repent of his sin. Both repentance and being baptized is required. One does not suffice.

So ,you say someone has to repent Then they must go out and find someone to give them a bath in water and wash them.
Dont you believe what Jesus said,?
That he must wash someone before they can take part with him?

John 13;8
“No,” said Peter, “you shall never wash my feet.” Jesus answered, “Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.”


Or you believe any person can wash you .Even Adolf Hitler can baptise you in Jesus name .Correct?


If Adolf Hitler were to wash someone in Jesus name ,then they will be saved.Correct?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No it does not


Many people recieved the spirit before they were water baptized.

so YOU have a problem.

Not to mention. John 3 15-18 destroys your concept..

God baptised them.They were cleaned through and though by God without the use of water .



And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Mathew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?



I bet these people were all water baptised.Notice Jesus never knew them. They never received the holy Ghost but they believe they do wonderful works in Jesus name.I bet they Baptised millions of people telling them your saved by the water,your saved.