How do I lose my SALVATION?

[RickyZ]

I agree completely.
God gave us salvation, only he can take it away.
We cannot by an act of our own free will undo what only God could do in the first place.

I don't think you understood my post.

 

[Rightlydivided]

Your last point, can you explain. A young person attending a secular college. Why college?
What about a young person exposed to all the world through all the trash on tv? Or secular 'music'They dont have to afford to go to a secular college to be at risk... there have been suicides by young people who never even attended a college... and I do know of one suicide by an older person who attended a bible college.

Plus when I attended a secular college there were christians there who were evangelising as well. What about public primary (elementary) schools. Or godless high schools.

Woulndnt the youngest ones be the most at risk...because of paedophilia. There have been cases where principals have been sex offenders...and even in certain churches and youth groups. And even within families...probably more so, as thats when offences happen the most, not when people go away, but in their own families. And they cannot report it, because its their own family. It could be their own parent, step parent, uncle or even brother.

Everyone walking the earth is at risk, especially those that do not receive the message of grace...Parents are falling to false doctrine,

Christ prophesied of His death, burial and resurrection (which is the gospel unto salvation), but the disciples didn't have a clue.

31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

Imagine today, someone preaching the gospel unto salvation and having no clue of Jesus' death, burial and resurrection for sins.

Clear, simple, and profound

 

[seed_time_harvest]

We know that God created Eve for Adam as a help mate. She was made from the rib of Adam meaning she was to stand by him, not be under his foot. Joseph Prince preached we can beat our wives stupid and God will be ok with that. How does God make man a help mate and a prominent Grace preacher turn her into a punching bag that God finds it to be good? He preaches we can do what we want and God overlooks it. How did do unto your brother as you would have them do to you, end up being I can beat-steal-lie-kill my neighbor and God's ok with it?

I wish you had provided evidence that he said that.That's a strong statement.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Doesnt Jesus say unless they repent he wont have anything to do with them, and if they are not hot or cold but lukewarm he will spit them out of his mouth? In Revelation.

But then Jesus is interceeding all the time, remember how he prayed for his twelve disciples except the son of perdition, who turned out to be Judas. He was lost. You could argue that Judas never truly believed in the first place, so it was really no loss.

I do not think the scriptures say that he will not have anything to do with them. When they disobey God's commandments, God withdraws the joy and comfort of his fellowship, but does continue to chasten them. Remember how he said that he would leave the 99 and go find the one lost sheep? God pricks our conscience to make us repent. That is why he instructed the apostles to go and preach to the lost sheep (children of God) of the house of Israel (Jacob) who is the representative of God's elect people. The inspired scriptures are written to God's elect for instructions as to how he wants them to live their lives as they sojourn here on earth.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

It wouldnt make Jesus a liar. No one can take you from him but yourself and God doesnt reject people anymore. Cherry picking bible verses without looking at the full picture and ALL verses (including BOTH sides) will only lead to debate and one sided opinions.
Jesus is clear that u can loose your salvation but if you choose him and choose to remain in him you are safe. If you along the way want to leave, you are not forced to stay in the kingdom of light.
But the consequences aint good

Some elect children of God choose to leave the church, which is "the kingdom of God", but they never lose their eternal deliverance.

 

[obedienttogod]

I wish you had provided evidence that he said that.That's a strong statement.

I believe I was mistaken. Yes, he did say those very words and continued that we basically have a license to sin. But the sermon I was reminded of, was the true Grace of God vs Hyper-Grace. And he was stating that under Hyper-Grace this is what they believe. He then called Hyper-Grace "Counterfeit Grace."

His stance that if we are "truly under God's Grace, we will choose to refuse sin, not believe it is ok to sin." He believes that once you accept Christ that all (past - present -future) sins are forgiven. But that it is based off that you don't want to sin and trying to refrain from sin. He claims this is what living under the Grace Paul preached is all about.

 

[Rightlydivided]

I believe I was mistaken. Yes, he did say those very words and continued that we basically have a license to sin. But the sermon I was reminded of, was the true Grace of God vs Hyper-Grace. And he was stating that under Hyper-Grace this is what they believe. He then called Hyper-Grace "Counterfeit Grace."

His stance that if we are "truly under God's Grace, we will choose to refuse sin, not believe it is ok to sin." He believes that once you accept Christ that all (past - present -future) sins are forgiven. But that it is based off that you don't want to sin and trying to refrain from sin. He claims this is what living under the Grace Paul preached is all about.

If one man sins 2 times a week, and the other sins 2 times a month, what does that tell you? Can you discern anything from that?

 

[obedienttogod]

If one man sins 2 times a week, and the other sins 2 times a month, what does that tell you? Can you discern anything from that?

Yes, the man who sins 8 times per month vs the man who sins 2 times per month is tempted more, because our Adversary knows who is the weaker believer.

 

[Rightlydivided]

I believe I was mistaken. Yes, he did say those very words and continued that we basically have a license to sin. But the sermon I was reminded of, was the true Grace of God vs Hyper-Grace. And he was stating that under Hyper-Grace this is what they believe. He then called Hyper-Grace "Counterfeit Grace."

His stance that if we are "truly under God's Grace, we will choose to refuse sin, not believe it is ok to sin." He believes that once you accept Christ that all (past - present -future) sins are forgiven. But that it is based off that you don't want to sin and trying to refrain from sin. He claims this is what living under the Grace Paul preached is all about.

The law says, for if we break one, we break them all.....what are both of these men? Adulterers? Murderers? Answer: yes, so what then?

 

[Rightlydivided]

Yes, the man who sins 8 times per month vs the man who sins 2 times per month is tempted more, because our Adversary knows who is the weaker believer.

So which man is guilty of sin?

If the law says, for if we break one, we break them all.....what are both of these men? Adulterers? Murderers?

 

[obedienttogod]

The law says, for if we break one, we break them all.....what are both of these men? Adulterers? Murderers? Answer: yes, so what then?

Understanding the true Grace of God, allows you to understand that like Yeshua, that you are fulfilling the Law, not breaking it.

True Grace is understanding where you stand with God. This awareness makes you free, not under bondage. But being free only means you choose to live righteously, not to believe you have a license to sin.

 

[Demi777]

Some elect children of God choose to leave the church, which is "the kingdom of God", but they never lose their eternal deliverance.

Thats nonsense. Did u read what you wrote

 

[obedienttogod]

So which man is guilty of sin?

If the law says, for if we break one, we break them all.....what are both of these men? Adulterers? Murderers?

Sin is sin, but knowing that under God means you are no longer under the bondage of sin.

If these men commit the same sins over and over and over and never try to stop, they are not truly saved to begin with. And that has nothing to do with the Law, that has everything to do with the fact they are under bondage.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I believe I was mistaken. Yes, he did say those very words and continued that we basically have a license to sin. But the sermon I was reminded of, was the true Grace of God vs Hyper-Grace. And he was stating that under Hyper-Grace this is what they believe. He then called Hyper-Grace "Counterfeit Grace."

His stance that if we are "truly under God's Grace, we will choose to refuse sin, not believe it is ok to sin." He believes that once you accept Christ that all (past - present -future) sins are forgiven. But that it is based off that you don't want to sin and trying to refrain from sin. He claims this is what living under the Grace Paul preached is all about.

the bolded part sounds like something Joseph Prince would say.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So which man is guilty of sin?

If the law says, for if we break one, we break them all.....what are both of these men? Adulterers? Murderers?

Understanding the true Grace of God, allows you to understand that like Yeshua, that you are fulfilling the Law, not breaking it.

True Grace is understanding where you stand with God. This awareness makes you free, not under bondage. But being free only means you choose to live righteously, not to believe you have a license to sin.

Democratic answer.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yes, the man who sins 8 times per month vs the man who sins 2 times per month is tempted more, because our Adversary knows who is the weaker believer.

when It comes to the law what Is GODs standard?answer=standard Is perfection.So then whether the persons sins twice a month or twice a week they both fall short of the glory of GOD.

man looks at the outward appearances so then man would say that the person that sins twice a week sins more than the person that sins twice a month.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, the man who sins 8 times per month vs the man who sins 2 times per month is tempted more, because our Adversary knows who is the weaker believer.

I would say you need to remove month and replace it with day, and you would be closer to reality.

If we think we only sin 8 times a month, i think we are in trouble

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If a person can still end up in hell are they saved?

 

[Rightlydivided]

Sin is sin, but knowing that under God means you are no longer under the bondage of sin.

If these men commit the same sins over and over and over and never try to stop, they are not truly saved to begin with. And that has nothing to do with the Law, that has everything to do with the fact they are under bondage.

Bondage or penalty?

 

[Macabeus]

Not sure why in the world someone who is truly born of God would want to reject salvation. To decide to no longer believe in Jesus and trust in the Atonement Jesus secured for my salvation is unfathomable to me as my belief/trust/reliance in Jesus for salvation is too engrained in me and I am too convinced. Can we say the same thing about those who allegedly reject salvation? I would say there is a stage in the progress of belief in Jesus which "falls short of firmly rooted and established belief resulting in salvation."

There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians.
There are genuine believers and there are make believers.

I scuba and one of the things my dive buddy says to me "the deeper the water is, the more forgiveness there is",.... when it comes to buoyancy... He is right because if we dive water that is less than 60 feet, I put in too much air.... I am right to the surface.... and without decompression a person can get the bins....
According to statistics, the known depth or the sea/ ocean is 10,994 meters/36,070 feet.

This makes me think of the GREAT SCRIPTURE:
Micah 7:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot
and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea.

G-d's Word holds true EVERY TIME! With that great of depth I would have been dead anyway... But even yet I still have time to equalize before hitting the surface... BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS FORGIVENESS!!!!

So why do people think G-d wants to send saved people to Hell an long with the people that rejected Him?

This has never made sense to me...

How do I lose my SALVATION?

Hypothetical, if you could lose your salvation, it would first involve losing so much more. Sin Rob's of peace and joy, it Rob's us of the wonderful intimacy with God, it makes us unfruitful, hurts our testimony, causes others to stumble, hurts our loved ones, etc

Those things in themselves should be enough to make us vigilant and dilligent without worrying about losing salvation. If they are not motivation enough, we need to check our hearts

So I really don't think about this question much anymore. I want to go as high as possible, not stay as low as I can fand still get in