How come women do not cover their heads in Church anymore?

[Therapon]

This is how my pastor dodged the bullet when I asked her this question like many years ago It did shut me up for a while but that constant conflict, inside, always remained.

I just have to ask, why are you sitting under a woman so-called pastor? You know she is in disobedience to God so how can she teach the truth? How can the Holy Spirit guide a woman who rejects truth that she can read in black and white, that incidentally was inspired by that same Holy Spirit?

It is the Scripture itself that is under attack by these disobedient women.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Religious people have all kinds of mental and emotional disorders just like non-religious people do; however, religious people often spiritualize theirs using scripture.

Body integrity identity disorder is one such example. It's a psychological disorder wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee.

There are plenty of videos on YouTube of young people your age with so much "constant conflict" with having a normal limb that they actually either destroy their limb or pay to have it removed becoming amputees. Afterwards, they feel "whole" and at peace with their perfectly good limb removed and a prosthetic instead.

Thankfully, all you have to do is put on a veil to be at peace. So if it brings you peace, go ahead. Put on the veil.

But understand that when you extrapolate your own condition/conflict to every other Christian woman alive that doesn't suffer from this conflict of yours in not wearing a veil nor accept your interpretation of God's Word in 1 Corinthians 11 (for very good reasons) to judge and bully them, as some in this thread are doing, than you are violating many other scriptures that instruct you to not cause divisions in the church.

This is how my pastor dodged the bullet when I asked her this question like many years ago It did shut me up for a while but that constant conflict, inside, always remained.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

This is how my pastor dodged the bullet when I asked her this question like many years ago It did shut me up for a while but that constant conflict, inside, always remained.

If you feel inside that it is proper for you to be veiled then you should do what you feel you're being led to do. Conviction is a sign unto us that what we are doing is not right. Do not listen to what others might say concerning this issue, look to God's Word for the truth.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[jimmydiggs]

Religious people have all kinds of mental and emotional disorders just like non-religious people do; however, religious people often spiritualize theirs using scripture.

Body integrity identity disorder is one such example. It's a psychological disorder wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee.

There are plenty of videos on YouTube of young people your age with so much "constant conflict" with having a normal limb that they actually either destroy their limb or pay to have it removed becoming amputees. Afterwards, they feel "whole" and at peace with their perfectly good limb removed and a prosthetic instead.

Thankfully, all you have to do is put on a veil to be at peace. So if it brings you peace, go ahead. Put on the veil.

But understand that when you extrapolate your own condition/conflict to every other Christian woman alive that doesn't suffer from this conflict of yours in not wearing a veil nor accept your interpretation of God's Word in 1 Corinthians 11 (for very good reasons) to judge and bully them, as some in this thread are doing, than you are violating many other scriptures that instruct you to not cause divisions in the church.

I never thought I would see someone who claims Christ, label a Christian as mentally ill, for sticking to scripture.

I hope you will repent of this. It is totally uncalled for, and demonstrates the hardness of your heart toward this young lady.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Unfortunately, I often see people who claim Christ engage in what you just did. You have maligned my post through the distorted lens of your faulty interpretation. Don't be a prideful hypocrite. Take your own advice: repent and soften your heart.

I never thought I would see someone who claims Christ, label a Christian as mentally ill, for sticking to scripture. I hope you will repent of this. It is totally uncalled for, and demonstrates the hardness of your heart toward this young lady.

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

But understand that when you extrapolate your own condition/conflict to every other Christian woman alive that doesn't suffer from this conflict of yours in not wearing a veil nor accept your interpretation of God's Word in 1 Corinthians 11 (for very good reasons) to judge and bully them, as some in this thread are doing, than you are violating many other scriptures that instruct you to not cause divisions in the church.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The scriptures are very clear about the veiling of women. If we don't accept the instruction that is given us (the church) by the Word of God then we all may as well put our Bibles down and return back to a life of disobedience.
Since we know that it is because of the angels that a woman should veil her head, we know that it has something to do within the spiritual realm of which our eyes cannot see. Remember our battle is a spiritual battle!

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I can appreciate that you have an interpretation of that passage of scripture which you believe. I've met Mormons who agree with you and cover their heads when they enter Mormon temples. Of course, their interpretation of scripture isn't worth diddly.

But I've also read many genuine Biblical scholars that disagree with your interpretation and since you are not correcting yourself to their scriptural reproof... I suppose that makes you disobedient to scripture in your own view to their interpretation.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The scriptures are very clear about the veiling of women. If we don't accept the instruction that is given us (the church) by the Word of God then we all may as well put our Bibles down and return back to a life of disobedience.
Since we know that it is because of the angels that a woman should veil her head, we know that it has something to do within the spiritual realm of which our eyes cannot see. Remember our battle is a spiritual battle!

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[savedNblessed]

I just have to ask, why are you sitting under a woman so-called pastor? You know she is in disobedience to God so how can she teach the truth? How can the Holy Spirit guide a woman who rejects truth that she can read in black and white, that incidentally was inspired by that same Holy Spirit?

It is the Scripture itself that is under attack by these disobedient women.

Well she is the pastor, back home in New York at my home church I have moved away from home but my parents still attend that church. They have been contemplating to go to a different church though, since they don't feel any spiritual growth in that church anymore. They've been praying and so have I. God will lead them, I believe.

 

[savedNblessed]

Religious people have all kinds of mental and emotional disorders just like non-religious people do; however, religious people often spiritualize theirs using scripture.

Body integrity identity disorder is one such example. It's a psychological disorder wherein sufferers feel they would be happier living as an amputee.

There are plenty of videos on YouTube of young people your age with so much "constant conflict" with having a normal limb that they actually either destroy their limb or pay to have it removed becoming amputees. Afterwards, they feel "whole" and at peace with their perfectly good limb removed and a prosthetic instead.

Thankfully, all you have to do is put on a veil to be at peace. So if it brings you peace, go ahead. Put on the veil.

But understand that when you extrapolate your own condition/conflict to every other Christian woman alive that doesn't suffer from this conflict of yours in not wearing a veil nor accept your interpretation of God's Word in 1 Corinthians 11 (for very good reasons) to judge and bully them, as some in this thread are doing, than you are violating many other scriptures that instruct you to not cause divisions in the church.

Well the only reason I posted this question on this forum was not determine "if I should cover my head or not (because I already know I have to)" but to understand the perspective from those "eyes" that stare at me, when I do cover it. I am not forcing women to do it, my job is to sow and that's all I've been doing

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

But I've also read many genuine Biblical scholars that disagree with your interpretation and since you are not correcting yourself to their scriptural reproof... I suppose that makes you disobedient to scripture in your own view to their interpretation.

It doesn't matter what genuine Biblical scholars think (precepts of man) it only matters what the Word of God says. If you choose to lean unto your own understanding of scripture even if it contradicts what God's Word reveals that is up to you brother. But be careful of the stumbling block you and others are putting before your brethern which may cause them to be disobedient to His Word.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

Well the only reason I posted this question on this forum was not determine "if I should cover my head or not (because I already know I have to)" but to understand the perspective from those "eyes" that stare at me, when I do cover it. I am not forcing women to do it, my job is to sow and that's all I've been doing

Mat 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Hello my sister!

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[savedNblessed]

It depends on their understanding and level of maturity as to what they think when they see you wearing a veil. Whatever that is, you can clearly tell from this thread that many Christians simply won't allow an opportunity for further division to get away... lol. And, I might be as guilty as you were for creating it because I am replying to it which always seems to be the case when our paths cross... lol.

But let me ask you this, which is more wrong: to not wear a veil in church or to label everyone that doesn't as disobedient and sinful for not doing so?

Well isn't wrong just plain WRONG? I mean it's either right or WRONG. Not right, wrong and more wrong

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

It depends on their understanding and level of maturity as to what they think when they see you wearing a veil. Whatever that is, you can clearly tell from this thread that many Christians simply won't allow an opportunity for further division to get away... lol. And, I might be as guilty as you were for creating it because I am replying to it... lol.

But let me ask you this, which is more wrong in your view: to not wear a veil in church or to treat everyone that doesn't as disobedient and sinful to God for not doing so?

Well the only reason I posted this question on this forum was not determine "if I should cover my head or not (because I already know I have to)" but to understand the perspective from those "eyes" that stare at me, when I do cover it. I am not forcing women to do it, my job is to sow and that's all I've been doing

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

But let me ask you this, which is more wrong: to not wear a veil in church or to label everyone that doesn't as disobedient and sinful for not doing so?

Wait a minute AOK. Does not scripture tell us that we judge those within the church?

1Cor 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

But I guess that we cannot do that anymore due to the political correctness that has entered the church.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[Therapon]

If you feel inside that it is proper for you to be veiled then you should do what you feel you're being led to do.

Hate to disagree, brother, but that is incorrectly stated. We are to obey the Bible regardless of our leading or feelings. If we are God's servants we do what He says whether it's in our comfort zone or not. All scripture is His inspired word.

 

[Therapon]

Well she is the pastor, back home in New York at my home church I have moved away from home but my parents still attend that church. They have been contemplating to go to a different church though, since they don't feel any spiritual growth in that church anymore. They've been praying and so have I. God will lead them, I believe.

Of course they can't experience spiritual growth, how can they from a "pastor" who is herself in open disobedience to the Bible.

Here is why, if you are wiling to compromise on any written Bible truth, you are willing to compromise on all Bible truth.

 

[hattiebod]

WE ARE FREE=disobedience to God? Maybe I guess the "modern Christian" woman wants to show that she is as equal as a man, that's why she doesn't cover her head. Because accroding to the Scriptures, it's clearly an act of submission/obedience.

I am sorry, but i do not believe I am in disobedience to my Lord. With respect, we will have to disagree on this one. There are just as many learned scholars who write in support of it not being necessary...and i am not going to get involved in a'scripture war' to try and 'prove' my stance. Its a fact we can get the scriptures to say what we want them to say, just take a scroll through all the fascinating posts on CC and it is very obvious we as Christians are united in many things and divided on others I think its wonderful it is what you choose to do, but please do not judge me as lacking in my faith because I choose not too. <><

 

[hattiebod]

I for got to mention another small, personal point. I have not been convicted to wear a veil, I did look into it all in great detail when I first became a Christian and I was living in China at the time. However, what I was convicted of was my unhealthy life style re diet and my weight. God says many things in the Word regarding our bodies being the temple of the Holy Spirit etc. Gluttony is something He does not like at all. I have not been convicted to wear a head covering but I have been convicted that my 'gluttony', my over indulgence, being over weight , was a poor witness and not what He wanted for me regarding my health etc and if I was to do the work He has called me to do, I needed to get in shape. So, I have, through Him and sheer hard work, lost 5 stone. My point is, there are many things we choose to focus on that are perhaps not so important to Him, but to us. For me, I believe I have my priorities right....I am a work in progress. <><

 

[mark54]

Of course they can't experience spiritual growth, how can they from a "pastor" who is herself in open disobedience to the Bible.

Here is why, if you are wiling to compromise on any written Bible truth, you are willing to compromise on all Bible truth.

I admit to being a little mischievous here(but at least I am honest)
Do you think a woman should call her husband master?
Should a woman be silent in church, and if she has any questions to ask her husband when she gets home?
Should she not have braided hair, gold, or pearls or expensive clothes?
And should she learn in quietness and full submission?

I hope I believe my bottom line is the Bible, but my wife would have divorced me long ago had I tried to lay all of those rules down

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Yes, of course what you say is true, but their estimation of their own interpretation is so perfectly in alignment with scripture and God's meaning that you simply MUST be in rebellion against the Lord your God by not putting a cloth on your head when you enter a Christian assembly.

Crazy no?

AND, they also believe that you are encouraging angels to sin by having sex with you for not placing that bit of cloth up there and that you could become impregnated by one of them and birth the type of giants not seen since Noah's day.

That's REALLY crazy but that's how crazy some of them are in here... rofl.

So, OF COURSE, they have every right to judge you.

We have a few LIVE ones in here let me tell you hattiebod... lol.

I am sorry, but i do not believe I am in disobedience to my Lord. With respect, we will have to disagree on this one. There are just as many learned scholars who write in support of it not being necessary...and i am not going to get involved in a 'scripture war' to try and 'prove' my stance. Its a fact we can get the scriptures to say what we want them to say, just take a scroll through all the fascinating posts on CC and it is very obvious we as Christians are united in many things and divided on others I think its wonderful it is what you choose to do, but please do not judge me as lacking in my faith because I choose not too. <><