House of David

[ocean]

May I ask why you feel that way?

David was described as very good looking with a lighter complexion.

So Jesse sent for his youngest son and brought him in. He was ruddy, with beautiful eyes and a handsome appearance. And the LORD said, “Rise and anoint him, for he is the one. I Sam.16:12

This version of David could pass for someone from any country where people are swarthy. David was not your typical dark eyed, dark skinned Jew. You cannot be 'ruddy' and be looking like a Palestinian. I suppose I offended some....sorry

 

[JohnDB]

Ancient Hebrew poetry is NOT for those who have not studied the language or manner which it was written in.

Samuel is Hebrew Poetry, same as Chronicles and Kings. Psalms of course is more readily recognized as such.

That being said....

Hebrew is a verb based metaphoric language. We have nothing to compare it to in any European language (noun based). There is no commonality. We don't even have the same parts of speech. Adjectives are not a part of Hebrew. Tenses in English include past, present, future and the newest one of perfect tense.
Ok....well Hebrew has tenses that include two tenses at a time, sometimes 3 and occasionally all four tenses. (Of course one tense as well)

Then comes the construction....you can add verbs together to form a new word. Or you can make verbs plural....which are still verbs and not nouns.

The biggest thing to remember in this verb based language is that names are not tags....they are action words creating titles. IOW David was a Davider....
Jesse was his father who Jessied.

the naming conventions used in our translated scriptures follows some extremely convoluted logic. (None)

If you are in Heaven and shout out to St Peter by his name you know him as....he won't ever know you are calling out to him.
But you use his real name in Sunday School class and nobody will know who you are talking about.

Lastly,
When trying to pronounce Hebrew words....stop with the accent on the first syllables. It's the second, third or fourth. Very Very rarely on the first. Mkay?

 

[MrE]

David was described as very good looking with a lighter complexion.

So Jesse sent for his youngest son and brought him in. He was ruddy, with beautiful eyes and a handsome appearance. And the LORD said, “Rise and anoint him, for he is the one. I Sam.16:12

This version of David could pass for someone from any country where people are swarthy. David was not your typical dark eyed, dark skinned Jew. You cannot be 'ruddy' and be looking like a Palestinian. I suppose I offended some....sorry

I would tend to agree with you..... a "ruddy" complexion implies a red element, and always has, right back to Adam.

He might have looked more like Prince Harry!

But then he might well have been much more hairy, than Harry. Don't forget that Esau-- also had a red complexion and he was notably hairy.

 

[MrE]

Ancient Hebrew poetry is NOT for those who have not studied the language or manner which it was written in.

Samuel is Hebrew Poetry, same as Chronicles and Kings. Psalms of course is more readily recognized as such.

That being said....

Hebrew is a verb based metaphoric language. We have nothing to compare it to in any European language (noun based). There is no commonality. We don't even have the same parts of speech. Adjectives are not a part of Hebrew. Tenses in English include past, present, future and the newest one of perfect tense.
Ok....well Hebrew has tenses that include two tenses at a time, sometimes 3 and occasionally all four tenses. (Of course one tense as well)

Then comes the construction....you can add verbs together to form a new word. Or you can make verbs plural....which are still verbs and not nouns.

The biggest thing to remember in this verb based language is that names are not tags....they are action words creating titles. IOW David was a Davider....
Jesse was his father who Jessied.

the naming conventions used in our translated scriptures follows some extremely convoluted logic. (None)

If you are in Heaven and shout out to St Peter by his name you know him as....he won't ever know you are calling out to him.
But you use his real name in Sunday School class and nobody will know who you are talking about.

Lastly,
When trying to pronounce Hebrew words....stop with the accent on the first syllables. It's the second, third or fourth. Very Very rarely on the first. Mkay?

What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

David was described as very good looking with a lighter complexion.

So Jesse sent for his youngest son and brought him in. He was ruddy, with beautiful eyes and a handsome appearance. And the LORD said, “Rise and anoint him, for he is the one. I Sam.16:12

This version of David could pass for someone from any country where people are swarthy. David was not your typical dark eyed, dark skinned Jew. You cannot be 'ruddy' and be looking like a Palestinian. I suppose I offended some....sorry

The young actor is actually Egyptian. I hardly think he could pass as someone from any country. He's portraying young David and I'd guess there will be another actor to finish off the series. But what makes you think King David didn't look like a Jew?

 

[Suze]

I did c a film a few years ago that was quite good . It was called King David I think and it started Richard Gere , I wasn't expecting to enjoy it but I did . The life of King David is one of my favourite parts of the Bible . Very much a human being with all the flaws that come with being human and yet he loved God so much . He is the poster boy for God's love and mercy poured upon humanity in abundance .

 

[JohnDB]

What does any of this have to do with the topic at hand?

Because I'm reading a LOT of things people are saying that is not in line with what scriptures are saying.

An isolated verse may appear to say something different from the truth.

Especially with parentage. Because in Hebrew there is no word for grandfather or even forefather. (Same with the feminine)
And since names are action word titles sometimes synonyms are used. Or in the case of Jacob/Israel there are two names/titles associated with the same person.

In the 51st Psalm David says he was conceived and born in sin.
It's a poetic way (hyperbole) of David claiming to be very wrong. It does not mean he was an illegitimate child born out of wedlock. The story of Ruth is all about the kinsman redeemer and a daughter-in-law that was extremely faithful to her mother-in-law.

It's a wonderful story.

The tribe of Judah, during the time of Jesse, was disappearing....evaporating away. It was the smallest tribe in numbers at that point. Not the largest as the movie keeps claiming.

It became the largest AFTER David ascended to the throne.
This was due to David's family and David's many wives having children.

 

[MrE]

In the 51st Psalm David says he was conceived and born in sin.
It's a poetic way (hyperbole) of David claiming to be very wrong. It does not mean he was an illegitimate child born out of wedlock.

You state as fact, things you can't possibly know. You've offered your opinion with absolutely nothing to support it.

Secondly, you directly contradict scripture in saying that the tribe of Judah was the smallest tribe at the time of Samuel. That would be the tribe of Benjamin, from which Saul was chosen...

There was a Benjaminite man named Kish son of Abiel, the son of Zeror, the son of Becorath, the son of Aphiah of Benjamin. Kish was a prominent person. He had a son named Saul, a handsome young man. There was no one among the Israelites more handsome than he was; he stood head and shoulders above all the people.

Saul replied, “Am I not a Benjaminite, from the smallest of Israel’s tribes, and is not my family clan the smallest of all the clans in the tribe of Benjamin? Why do you speak to me in this way?”

 

[MrE]

The young actor is actually Egyptian. I hardly think he could pass as someone from any country. He's portraying young David and I'd guess there will be another actor to finish off the series. But what makes you think King David didn't look like a Jew?

Jews are not known to be typically "ruddy" in complexion. It could well be that we have come to misinterpret what has been translated to the word "ruddy" however. What we now think of as ruddy, might not mean "red" at all, rather it might just mean "healthy."

The word comes from the Hebrew word for "man" and that first man, Adam (= ruddy). From which we get the word that has been later translated as "ruddy." (admoniy). It might just mean healthy-- like rosy cheeked, or like a newborn baby-- pink and healthy, or flushed like after a good work out.

Since we don't have one of those ancient picture-bibles...... it's all speculation.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Jews are not known to be typically "ruddy" in complexion. It could well be that we have come to misinterpret what has been translated to the word "ruddy" however. What we now think of as ruddy, might not mean "red" at all, rather it might just mean "healthy."

The word comes from the Hebrew word for "man" and that first man, Adam (= ruddy). From which we get the word that has been later translated as "ruddy." (admoniy). It might just mean healthy-- like rosy cheeked, or like a newborn baby-- pink and healthy, or flushed like after a good work out.

Since we don't have one of those ancient picture-bibles...... it's all speculation.

IDK, my mothers family is very dark. We are often asked where we came from lol. I haven't looked that deeply. But on my fathers side are several redheads. So my hair is dark, most say black but I'd say dark but with obvious red highlights. That's why I kind of questioned what color we think David was.

 

[ocean]

The young actor is actually Egyptian. I hardly think he could pass as someone from any country. He's portraying young David and I'd guess there will be another actor to finish off the series. But what makes you think King David didn't look like a Jew?

I said the actor could pass from any country where people are swarthy. Do you see how you changed what I said? You don't know, I don't know, who knows? if another actor will portray David as he aged. I also never said King David did not look like a Jew. This is what
I said:
David was not your typical dark eyed, dark skinned Jew. You cannot be 'ruddy' and be looking like a Palestinian. I suppose I offended some....sorry

I don't know what you want. You asked a question and I answered it. I mean seriously, you changed what I said and then ask questions about the changes YOU made. smh I'm not going further with this. It's kind of silly

 

[ocean]

I would tend to agree with you..... a "ruddy" complexion implies a red element, and always has, right back to Adam.

He might have looked more like Prince Harry!

But then he might well have been much more hairy, than Harry. Don't forget that Esau-- also had a red complexion and he was notably hairy.

Yeah. Bible does not say he was hairy so I'm not going to say so either. Ruddy refers to his complexion as far as comments from Bible scholars go. I looked it up.

Anyway who cares. I get asked a question and then how dare I answer it LOL! Done

 

[MrE]

Yeah. Bible does not say he was hairy so I'm not going to say so either. Ruddy refers to his complexion as far as comments from Bible scholars go. I looked it up.

Anyway who cares. I get asked a question and then how dare I answer it LOL! Done

Fair points.

I like to imagine we are all at the pub, tipping a ping and spilling tea. We can share our thoughts, feelings, opinions and beliefs—- and speculate about all kinds of things. We can agree or take exception to any or all of these in a friendly way, as we should.

Some folks don’t like their notions challenged. Simple as that.

 

[MrE]

One thing is for sure…

The series (producer/script writers) went out of their way to emphasize the idea that David was a kind of bastard (illegitimate or lessor) son of Jesse.

They missed a golden opportunity to capitalize on the idea of portraying him as the proverbial and stereotypical red-headed-step-child…. by their choice of actors and his lack of the ruddy appearance that scripture details.

 

[ocean]

Fair points.

I like to imagine we are all at the pub, tipping a ping and spilling tea. We can share our thoughts, feelings, opinions and beliefs—- and speculate about all kinds of things. We can agree or take exception to any or all of these in a friendly way, as we should.

Some folks don’t like their notions challenged. Simple as that.

Some folks will see and read what is plainly written and still go off into the woods. I'm not into speculation myself but I don't preach to those who are. I just prefer not to join in.

 

[MrE]

Some folks will see and read what is plainly written and still go off into the woods. I'm not into speculation myself but I don't preach to those who are. I just prefer not to join in.

Yep. Each to their own. But without allowing for a little speculation and artistic license, you probably won’t enjoy a series like this.