Hell, Sheol, Hades...
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Hell is an important doctrine. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all knowledge. We get saved at first not to go to hell, though I think as we grow to love the Lord we forget that. Hell keeps us saved. The scriptures say hell is worse than crucifixion. If he spared not his own son how much more will he do to those who turn from him. Hell is for spirits. Spirits don't really burn but the rich man in hell said I am in torment in these flames; so it hurts. It made him thirsty. He begged for one drop of water. The Bible says " eternal punishment". It's also mentioned of heaven that it hasn't even entered the heart of man the joy God has prepared for us. So there's definitely no reason to go to hell. Christ death only saves. No works nothing added will save.
Consider that Paul told us to follow his example, assuring us he had given us the full council of God
straight from Jesus. Paul said we should do as he did, and how many times in all his books (28% of the NT)
did he preach eternal conscious torment via hellfire damnation? Did he ever even use the word hell? No,
he did not. Paul, who claimed he was caught up into heaven and given the Gospel directly by Jesus, that
all men would be judged according to his gospel, that he had declared to people the whole counsel of
God, that he kept back nothing profitable from the people he taught, and that he was the apostle to the
gentiles... never once used the word hell. Paul uses the Greek word "Hades" in 1 Corinthians 15:55, where
it is translated "grave." (KJV) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? In Galatians 1:8,
he says: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which
we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1 John 4:18
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.No verse says any such thing. In fact we are explicitly told that the mortal must put on immortality, and that is
attained by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ. All others perish in the second death.
John 3:16
John 3:3 KJV
, a second birth a new life
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If there is any good thing that can be said about the netherworld: it's the
great equalizer. Political bullies like Kim Jong-Un, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin,
Benito Mussolini, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin, Muammar
Gaddafi, Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein, are powerless down
below; they're just another nondescript skull in the gene pool.
● Isa 14:9-10 . . Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when
you come. It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the
earth. It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones. They will all
respond and say to you: Even you have been made weak as we. You have
become like us.
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If there is any good thing that can be said about the netherworld: it's the
great equalizer. Political bullies like Kim Jong-Un, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin,
Benito Mussolini, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin, Muammar
Gaddafi, Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein, are powerless down
below; they're just another nondescript skull in the gene pool.
● Isa 14:9-10 . . Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when
you come. It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the
earth. It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones. They will all
respond and say to you: Even you have been made weak as we. You have
become like us.
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1 Corinthians 15:51-58
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”
But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten. Jer 20:11 (KJV)
How can a person be confused if they don't exist?
Great question, and also helps me, on another forum with my Final Scriptures
in a discussion with a kind and courteous opponent whose view is universalism.
Amazing how God Gives us "what we need" at the right time.
I hope you are not trying to intimate that those who oppose the ECT doctrine
are all universalists. Of course we have been down this road before...
God alone is immortal. Life ever after is attained solely by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.
Why do Christians oppose such plain teachings?
From Genesis to Revelation, death is given as the wages of sin. That too is opposed by Christians. Go figure.
Dead means alive, they will say. Or, death is not punishment. LOL. The list is long.
Apollumi: Strongs Concordance # 622
That wasn't the question. There was no mention of 'everlasting' in the question.
Forever/Eon
But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten. Jer 20:11 (KJV)
How can a person be confused if they don't exist?
Wait, what? You are not asking about everlasting, saying it was not part
of your question, when that is what the Scripture you posted says?.
Do you have no opinion whatsoever on the number of times
something is said to last forever and yet comes to an end?
I gave a good sampling of them...
I do recognize that many simply turn a blind eye to them.
How can a person be confused if they don't exist?Wait, what? You are not asking about everlasting, saying it was not part
of your question, when that is what the Scripture you posted says?.
Do you have no opinion whatsoever on the number of times
something is said to last forever and yet comes to an end?
I gave a good sampling of them...
I do recognize that many simply turn a blind eye to them.
Perhaps the answer lay in the context the word is given.
Who is doing the remembering here? Them, or God?
You seem to think it is them. I do not.
Since their confusion shall never be forgotten by God, in that way it would be everlasting.
I didn't ask about remembering. It's their confusion. How can a person be confused if they don't exist?
How can a person who does not exist be confused?
Do you deny that the dead know nothing, as Scripture states?
And do you proclaim that man is immortal despite the clear teaching of Scripture to the contrary?
Repeating the lie of Satan at the heart of the fall of man and corruption of all creation seems a bad idea to me.
In their age, their confusion was persistent.
I get that you believe a 17 year old boy should burn in fire for eternity because he was born in a muslim country and was never permitted to hear the gospel, so that's where your bias comes in.
Some here have even suggested that the doctrine of Hell keeps us saved. How sad. But this view is easily forgettable because it lacks the character of the Lord.
"Forever" has many meanings, one meaning is "until the end of an age" or "until the end of time" or "until the end of that person", etc. "Forever" is also a reference to time which, in the age to come when the heavens and earth are new, there will be no time.
And also until God's purposes have been fulfilled.
But instead we have people spouting such nonsense as, Satan gives eternal life to the unsaved.
Saying, utterly destroy does not mean utterly destroy, dead means alive, death is not punishment.
People refusing to acknowledge even that Scripture -from beginning to end- plainly states such things as the wages of sin is death, that life ever after is gained by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ, and all others pass into the second death.
Those that say such things then turn around and tell us that we are confused and the
ones not believing Scripture when we affirm what is says, while they deny it. LOL.
Some even say sleep is a metaphor for watchful, wakeful awareness.
