Hell or John 3:16

[Johnnyvegas]

At the time of death for the wicked, their spirit departs and goes into Sheol/Hades, also translated as Hell. This is a temporary place of punishment located under the earth, which is where the rich man of Lazarus fame, went after he died and where he was in torment in flame. This is not a parable as some claim, but was and actual event revealed by the Lord. All who go into Sheol/Hades will remain there in torment until they are resurrected at the great white throne judgment, where they will be held accountable for all of their sins and then cast into the lake of fire, where the smoke of their torment will ascent up forever and ever.

Tartarus = Used only once referring to the place under the earth where the angels were sent, which is most likely speaking of those angels who took wives from the mankind.

Sheol/Hades = A place of temporary punishment under the earth, which is where the rich man went of Lazarus fame and who is still there in torment in flame. It is the "unseen place," the realm of departed spirits.

Gehenna = Also called the lake of fire, the second death and ever lasting fire. This is the final place of punishment originally prepared for Satan and his angels and the destination for all who will be resurrected out of Sheol/Hades and whose names will have not been found written in the book of life.

Strong's Concordance
hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Definition: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Usage: Hades, the unseen world.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

Sheol/Hades should never be translated as grave, sepulcher, or tomb. But always refers to the place of departed spirits.

All you are doing is repeating the false teachings that you have heard.

You can’t show one verse in the Old Testament that Sheol relates to ECT.[/QUOTE]
I am amazed how Hell seems more important than the words of our Lord. You got Tartarus correct yet you place little significance to it. Keep studying and allowing the Bible to interpret the Bible. What’s interesting is the dead offspring of those unions became bodyless spirts known as Demons. The copy and paste thing is boring. Let’s just hear from you.

 

[Magenta]

Scripture says only God is immortal.

Some will tell you dead means alive while they tell you to accept words at face value

 

[Garydavid]

Scripture says only God is immortal.

Some will tell you dead means alive while they tell you to accept words at face value

Scripture says only God is immortal.

Some will tell you dead means alive while they tell you to accept words at face value

EMBRACE THE GRACE AND REJOICE IN HIS EVERLASTING MERCY AND LOVE.

Beautiful! And anyone that has an argument with this has an argument with God. God bless......

 

[Magenta]

All of the Bible points to God as the maker of heaven and earth and the giver of life. The first birth is physical. Everyone dies the first death. Those who are born again by grace through faith in Jesus' sacrificial death to atone for our sins and reconcile us to God, escape the second death. All others die the second death, and then death is destroyed as well. The perishable do not inherit eternal life. They perish, just as the Scriptures attest.

 

[Johnnyvegas]

Scripture says only God is immortal.

Some will tell you dead means alive while they tell you to accept words at face value

Thanks Megenta. Many words are hard to except. Soon, near, about too, quickly, at hand.🙄 I have a few megenta color gels left from old days when I entertained.

 

[Magenta]

Thanks Megenta. Many words are hard to except. Soon, near, about too, quickly, at hand.🙄 I have a few megenta color gels left from old days when I entertained.

You are welcome, Johnnyvegas What did you do to entertain?

My sweet heart calibob used to live in Vegas...

 

[Ahwatukee]

At the time of death for the wicked, their spirit departs and goes into Sheol/Hades, also translated as Hell. This is a temporary place of punishment located under the earth, which is where the rich man of Lazarus fame, went after he died and where he was in torment in flame. This is not a parable as some claim, but was and actual event revealed by the Lord. All who go into Sheol/Hades will remain there in torment until they are resurrected at the great white throne judgment, where they will be held accountable for all of their sins and then cast into the lake of fire, where the smoke of their torment will ascent up forever and ever.

Tartarus = Used only once referring to the place under the earth where the angels were sent, which is most likely speaking of those angels who took wives from the mankind.

Sheol/Hades = A place of temporary punishment under the earth, which is where the rich man went of Lazarus fame and who is still there in torment in flame. It is the "unseen place," the realm of departed spirits.

Gehenna = Also called the lake of fire, the second death and ever lasting fire. This is the final place of punishment originally prepared for Satan and his angels and the destination for all who will be resurrected out of Sheol/Hades and whose names will have not been found written in the book of life.

Strong's Concordance
hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Definition: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Usage: Hades, the unseen world.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

Sheol/Hades should never be translated as grave, sepulcher, or tomb. But always refers to the place of departed spirits.

All you are doing is repeating the false teachings that you have heard.

You can’t show one verse in the Old Testament that Sheol relates to ECT.[/QUOTE]

First, what is ECT? And what does that have to do with the scripture proof that I have supplied demonstrating the eternal existence of human beings, that everyone righteous and wicked will be resurrected, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishment?

Since Sheol/Hades is defined as the place of departed spirits, how can you call it the grave? The Hebrew qeber and the Greek Mnemeion, are the correct words used to indentify grave, tomb and sepulcher. Sheol/Hades always refer to the place of departed spirits.

Sheol/Hades is a real place of pre-punishment under the earth, until the great white throne judgment, with the Lake of fire being the final destination of the unrighteous dead after they are resurrected out of Sheol/Hades.

 

[Johnnyvegas]

You are welcome, Johnnyvegas What did you do to entertain?

My sweet heart calibob used to live in Vegas...

Drums, vocals for money and guitar occasionally.

 

[Johnnyvegas]

You can’t show one verse in the Old Testament that Sheol relates to ECT.

First, what is ECT? And what does that have to do with the scripture proof that I have supplied demonstrating the eternal existence of human beings, that everyone righteous and wicked will be resurrected, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishment?

Since Sheol/Hades is defined as the place of departed spirits, how can you call it the grave? The Hebrew qeber and the Greek Mnemeion, are the correct words used to indentify grave, tomb and sepulcher. Sheol/Hades always refer to the place of departed spirits.

Sheol/Hades is a real place of pre-punishment under the earth, until the great white throne judgment, with the Lake of fire being the final destination of the unrighteous dead after they are resurrected out of Sheol/Hades.[/QUOTE]
Eternal Concious Torment. Sorry for not typing it out.

 

[Johnnyvegas]

First, what is ECT? And what does that have to do with the scripture proof that I have supplied demonstrating the eternal existence of human beings, that everyone righteous and wicked will be resurrected, some to everlasting life and some to everlasting punishment?

Since Sheol/Hades is defined as the place of departed spirits, how can you call it the grave? The Hebrew qeber and the Greek Mnemeion, are the correct words used to indentify grave, tomb and sepulcher. Sheol/Hades always refer to the place of departed spirits.

Sheol/Hades is a real place of pre-punishment under the earth, until the great white throne judgment, with the Lake of fire being the final destination of the unrighteous dead after they are resurrected out of Sheol/Hades.

Eternal Concious Torment. Sorry for not typing it out.[/QUOTE]
So again, the Old Testament has over 60 similes about Sheol.
You can’t show one verse in the Old Testament that Sheol is a place of Eternal Concious Torment.

 

[Johnnyvegas]

Eternal Concious Torment. Sorry for not typing it out.

So again, the Old Testament has over 60 similes about Sheol.
You can’t show one verse in the Old Testament that Sheol is a place of Eternal Concious Torment.[/QUOTE]

 

[Ahwatukee]

So again, the Old Testament has over 60 similes about Sheol.
You can’t show one verse in the Old Testament that Sheol is a place of Eternal Concious Torment.

Hi Johnnyvegas,

First of all, it requires some study. I don't understand why so many people are always fighting against the truth of God's word.

For example, we know that Sheol is synonymous with Hades, i.e. they are same place, Sheol/Hebrew and Hades/Greek. Here is a simple example of how we know that:

A Prophecy regarding Jesus in Psalms 16:10

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol, nor will You let Your Holy One see decay. - Psalms 16:10

Paul in Acts 2:25-27 quoting Psalms 16:10
"David says about Him:
‘I saw the Lord always before me; because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will dwell in hope, because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

So, Paul quotes Psalms 16:10 but instead of using the word sheol, he uses Hades, because it is describing the same place in the Greek.

Below is the definition of both Sheol and Hades:

Strong's Concordance (sheol)
sheol: underworld (place to which (the spirits of) people descend at death)
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which (the spirits of) people descend at death)

Strong's Concordance (hades)
hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Definition: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Usage: Hades, the unseen world.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

Now that we know that Sheol and Hades is the place where the spirits of the unsaved go at the time of death, we can now use the information about Hades to prove "that Sheol is a place of temporary Concious Torment." I say "temporary" because Sheol/Hades is a temporary place up until the great white throne judgment, where the unrighteous dead will be resurrected out of and be judged and thrown into the lake of fire.

For the proof, please read the event of "the rich man and Lazarus," where the rich man was/is in torment in flame.

 

[lightbearer]

.....All you are doing is repeating the false teachings that you have heard.

No offence intended but the same could be said in reference to you.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No offence intended but the same could be said in reference to you.

With all due respect, I sit here at my table every day and study the word of God, which I have done for many, many years. So, no, I have not and do not repeat what others have taught, because no one has taught me. What I am proclaiming comes directly from the word of God and not from the teachings of men.

It's really amazing that you would even suggest that of me, considering all of the definitions of the words that I included and all of the scriptures that I quoted. How could you even claim that when I'm providing the scriptural information?

 

[Deade]

With all due respect, I sit here at my table every day and study the word of God, which I have done for many, many years. So, no, I have not and do not repeat what others have taught, because no one has taught me. What I am proclaiming comes directly from the word of God and not from the teachings of men.

It's really amazing that you would even suggest that of me, considering all of the definitions of the words that I included and all of the scriptures that I quoted. How could you even claim that when I'm providing the scriptural information?

What you claim to be scriptural information is simply your scriptural interpretation. Others read the same scriptures and come up with a different perspective.

 

[oyster67]

Thanks Megenta. Many words are hard to except. Soon, near, about too, quickly, at hand.🙄 I have a few megenta color gels left from old days when I entertained.

I have heard it said that some have big magenta gels between their ears. You will probably think I do when I fail to accept your hypothsis on certain topics

 

[lightbearer]

Hi Johnnyvegas,

First of all, it requires some study. I don't understand why so many people are always fighting against the truth of God's word.

For example, we know that Sheol is synonymous with Hades, i.e. they are same place, Sheol/Hebrew and Hades/Greek. Here is a simple example of how we know that:

A Prophecy regarding Jesus in Psalms 16:10

"For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol, nor will You let Your Holy One see decay. - Psalms 16:10

Paul in Acts 2:25-27 quoting Psalms 16:10
"David says about Him:
‘I saw the Lord always before me; because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will dwell in hope, because You will not abandon my soul to Hades,
nor will You let Your Holy One see decay.

So, Paul quotes Psalms 16:10 but instead of using the word sheol, he uses Hades, because it is describing the same place in the Greek.

Along with being a prophecy concerning our LORD Psalm 16 is proclamation of faith and thanksgiving to the GOD from David in respect of himself also.

Below is the definition of both Sheol and Hades:

Strong's Concordance (sheol)
sheol: underworld (place to which (the spirits of) people descend at death)
Original Word: שְׁאוֹל
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: sheol
Phonetic Spelling: (sheh-ole')
Definition: underworld (place to which (the spirits of) people descend at death)

Strong's Concordance (hades)
hadés: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Original Word: ᾍδης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hadés
Phonetic Spelling: (hah'-dace)
Definition: Hades, the abode of departed spirits
Usage: Hades, the unseen world.

So in short Strong's says the Greek word hades and the Hebrew word sheol mean A place people go when they die. Not quite sure where you got those excerpts from but they are not Strong's actual entries. Here is his hades entry. Do you See the difference?

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

I highlighted in red the actual definition (understanding) of the Greek word. It is a compound word and means unseen. Which makes sense really as it continues to say a place of departed souls.

I highlighted in blue how the word was translated. Grave and hell. Which objectively speaking leaves a lot of subjectivity in regards to understanding and translating hades properly in a given context. It means unseen; in other words not known.

HELPS Word-studies
86 hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which all the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

This is one sided. It leaves out the fact that the word was translated and understood to mean the place (state) of departed souls; the grave.
I don't know what site you copied and pasted those excerpts from but they are rather biased.

 

[lightbearer]

No offence intended but the same could be said in reference to you.

With all due respect, I sit here at my table every day and study the word of God, which I have done for many, many years. So, no, I have not and do not repeat what others have taught, because no one has taught me. What I am proclaiming comes directly from the word of God and not from the teachings of men.

It's really amazing that you would even suggest that of me, considering all of the definitions of the words that I included and all of the scriptures that I quoted. How could you even claim that when I'm providing the scriptural information?

You missed the point.