Hearing Gods voice, discerning the Spirits and other prophetic stuff
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Guard your heart and stay in your First Love with God, be motivated by fervent love for God.
It's so easy to get off track and think we have to do everything and God is expecting us to work hard for Him.
He wants us to know Him and to love Him by so doing, EVERYTHING falls into place and is much easier.
Otherwise, we end up in a bunch of works and get upset with other Believers because we don't think they're doing it right.
Look at this statement you made:
The deeper you move into the things of the Spirit and power of God the more these things become important.
But for just starting out and for your own spiritual walk focus on the results and take your time in making your final assessment, don't be hasty, bring it before God and get his assessment, of your assessment, He might just have something to say about it.
You're just getting all of us back into WORKS, getting us focused on spiritual works --- Where did love for God go?
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to submit to the Holy Spirit to do the works of God.
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to read and study God's Word - the Holy Bible.
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to obey God's Word.
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to not resist, grieve, quench or neglect the Holy Spirit.
We get to love God, He does His works in us and through us.......all we need to do is love Him.
Because of love we do A LOT of spiritual works without even thinking about it.
Focus on loving and knowing God - the spiritual works will just happen automatically - spiritual works just become part of our lifestyle with God -we just do them because we've learned to walk by the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
It's so easy to get off track and think we have to do everything and God is expecting us to work hard for Him.
He wants us to know Him and to love Him by so doing, EVERYTHING falls into place and is much easier.
Otherwise, we end up in a bunch of works and get upset with other Believers because we don't think they're doing it right.
Look at this statement you made:
The deeper you move into the things of the Spirit and power of God the more these things become important.
But for just starting out and for your own spiritual walk focus on the results and take your time in making your final assessment, don't be hasty, bring it before God and get his assessment, of your assessment, He might just have something to say about it.
You're just getting all of us back into WORKS, getting us focused on spiritual works --- Where did love for God go?
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to submit to the Holy Spirit to do the works of God.
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to read and study God's Word - the Holy Bible.
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to obey God's Word.
It's LOVE FOR GOD that motivates us to not resist, grieve, quench or neglect the Holy Spirit.
We get to love God, He does His works in us and through us.......all we need to do is love Him.
Because of love we do A LOT of spiritual works without even thinking about it.
Focus on loving and knowing God - the spiritual works will just happen automatically - spiritual works just become part of our lifestyle with God -we just do them because we've learned to walk by the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
We need to be growing in our Love for God as well as our intimate knowledge of God. If we are only growing according to knowledge and not love, then we know NOTHING.
Even if we think we do all kinds of spiritual works, without Love they mean NOTHING.
It's okay to preach spiritual works but, LOVE FOR GOD is the FOUNDATION that needs to be in place first.
Even if we think we do all kinds of spiritual works, without Love they mean NOTHING.
It's okay to preach spiritual works but, LOVE FOR GOD is the FOUNDATION that needs to be in place first.
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Hi Lafftur, I apologize for our brother treating you rudely
@Lion222 - Please know I do not take any offense with you and count you as my brother in Christ!
Some of your questions are very good ones.
The last few you clearly did not get what I was saying.
We all need to take the time to honor each other with at least that much.
Then we can disagree.
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Hi Lafftur, I apologize for our brother treating you rudely
Came against what I dident even say
When I said you missed it read it again
That was being rude???
I know a lot can be lost without a tone of voice and some statement can trigger some people into thinking a specific heart is behind them.
I get that.
I hope you do too.
Do you remember your first car?
I remember after I got mine suddenly my car was everywhere?
The grandma had one. the pizza guy. everywhere I went there was my car.
That is just how our brains work.
When you are focused on something that is what you see.
So one test for me when i started to walk in these things was to be sure that what I thought was God was not just seeing my first car.
Test 1 - Was it what I was currently focusing on or thinking about.
Test 2 - Was it connected to my recent thoughts, concerns or fears.
Test 3 - Did it seem all too familiar like the theme of a recently binged watch movie series.
Test 4 - Did i have a lot of pepperoni pizza the night before?
The more out of nowhere it came the more I tended to consider it from God.
Especially if it just kept showing up, the more impossible ways the better.
But these are just a baby tools, toys of reason.
You come to discern the Spirits in the following.
You test them against the written word.
You get the advice of those mature in it.
Still it is on you to do with it what you know is good to do,
Don't let the advice of others be an excuse to sin against your own conscience.
Eventually you will just recognize his voice as you keep going and testing and discovering.
ALL Christians are to do this!
Hearing his voice is just what his sheep do.
It is just coming under Christs direct leadership of your life.
Those who have a Prophetic gifting just have this in quantity for a different purpose.
For the equipping of the saints.
To help them grow in hearing and following for their own spiritual walk.
To speak directly to those stubborn sheep going there own way
To speak to ones lost pointing them in the right direction.
To head out into the wilderness and meet those crying out to God with their answer.
To deliver a message of Gods life to the dying.
To operate as a watchman in and over your fellowship.
Unfortunate the place of the prophetic has been dishonored in the Church and She is worse off because of it.
I do believe God is changing that, restoring.church, bringing back what was lost to the centuries.
I remember after I got mine suddenly my car was everywhere?
The grandma had one. the pizza guy. everywhere I went there was my car.
That is just how our brains work.
When you are focused on something that is what you see.
So one test for me when i started to walk in these things was to be sure that what I thought was God was not just seeing my first car.
Test 1 - Was it what I was currently focusing on or thinking about.
Test 2 - Was it connected to my recent thoughts, concerns or fears.
Test 3 - Did it seem all too familiar like the theme of a recently binged watch movie series.
Test 4 - Did i have a lot of pepperoni pizza the night before?
The more out of nowhere it came the more I tended to consider it from God.
Especially if it just kept showing up, the more impossible ways the better.
But these are just a baby tools, toys of reason.
You come to discern the Spirits in the following.
You test them against the written word.
You get the advice of those mature in it.
Still it is on you to do with it what you know is good to do,
Don't let the advice of others be an excuse to sin against your own conscience.
Eventually you will just recognize his voice as you keep going and testing and discovering.
ALL Christians are to do this!
Hearing his voice is just what his sheep do.
It is just coming under Christs direct leadership of your life.
Those who have a Prophetic gifting just have this in quantity for a different purpose.
For the equipping of the saints.
To help them grow in hearing and following for their own spiritual walk.
To speak directly to those stubborn sheep going there own way
To speak to ones lost pointing them in the right direction.
To head out into the wilderness and meet those crying out to God with their answer.
To deliver a message of Gods life to the dying.
To operate as a watchman in and over your fellowship.
Unfortunate the place of the prophetic has been dishonored in the Church and She is worse off because of it.
I do believe God is changing that, restoring.church, bringing back what was lost to the centuries.
Think about if you have children and you use Elmo puppets to teach the ABCs. It's the message that is important, and the means is a way to reach them.
Also you might pray something and God gives the answer in a dream or a thought even. The information comes to you and it doesn't matter how.
So when I want God to answer me I pray at night for him to tell me in my dreams. Dreams are the easiest way to receive the answer for myself, because I'm not distracted by life at that point. Then I'll get the answer or the verse with the answer. Sometimes it's a book in the Bible or sometimes even another language. I'll Google it when I wake up.
To know if it's from God can be tough. Obviously if it's biblical I would say it's from God. God promotes calm and peace especially if you're down. However he corrects too so he may correct you in an answer as well. Nothing fear related is God unless it's for correction.
LOVE is a Fruit of the Holy Spirit, NOT a spiritual gift.
Faith/hope:
1 Corinthians 12:9 "to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,"
Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."
And love is grouped with faith and hope.
1 Corinthians 13:13 "And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love."
The whole point of 1 Corinthians 13 is to show how love is the greatest fruit/gift of all. And that without love everything else is nothing.
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If you are saying.
What God uses to communicate has specific meaning to the intended recipient.
Then Yes I totally agree.
It is their understanding of that meaning that is usually the correct understanding.
I am trying to focus on things to help with that other bit.
Knowing if it is from God or Just me or something else
What God uses to communicate has specific meaning to the intended recipient.
Then Yes I totally agree.
It is their understanding of that meaning that is usually the correct understanding.
I am trying to focus on things to help with that other bit.
Knowing if it is from God or Just me or something else
Faith is both - a Fruit and Gift of the Holy Spirit. However, Love is never referred to as a spiritual gift of the Holy Spirit - only as Fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Notice LOVE is not listed as a gift but, it is listed as a fruit.
Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Notice LOVE is not listed as a gift but, it is listed as a fruit.
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Faith is both - a Fruit and Gift of the Holy Spirit. However, Love is never referred to as a spiritual gift of the Holy Spirit - only as Fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Notice LOVE is not listed as a gift but, it is listed as a fruit.
Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Notice LOVE is not listed as a gift but, it is listed as a fruit.
1 Corinthians 13:1 "If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a ringing gong or a clanging cymbal."
1 Cor. 12 & 13 are about spiritual gifts. Love is of the great spiritual gifts and the most excellent way. It's the greatest spiritual gift of all and, yes, is also the greatest fruit as well.
Do you see that now?
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Here is one gotcha to watch out for.
You need to be moving in faith in order to be guided.
You can become frozen in the face of a decision.
You can want so bad to get it right that you get stuck.
if you just stand there expecting to find out without doing what you know to do
you can be on that same step for a very long time.
Clearly you can and should trust God and the Spirit with both your ignorance and the outcome of your actions in faith.
But consider that their is wisdom to be had.
It is valuable stuff, spiritual stuff.
It is the equivalent of spiritual experience.
It makes the whole process of growing up flow smoothly and quickly.
How many times I wished I had the wisdom from someone who went before me down the same spiritual road.
But good discipleship is as hard to come by as the people living it with all they have, even when the cost is high.
Don't settle for platitudes in this life, there will not be a make up test.
We should run as those who want to win!
We should fight as those intending on overcoming!
Encouragement is good, we all need it.
But having wisdom is having an edge.
Proverbs 1:22
You need to be moving in faith in order to be guided.
You can become frozen in the face of a decision.
You can want so bad to get it right that you get stuck.
if you just stand there expecting to find out without doing what you know to do
you can be on that same step for a very long time.
Clearly you can and should trust God and the Spirit with both your ignorance and the outcome of your actions in faith.
But consider that their is wisdom to be had.
It is valuable stuff, spiritual stuff.
It is the equivalent of spiritual experience.
It makes the whole process of growing up flow smoothly and quickly.
How many times I wished I had the wisdom from someone who went before me down the same spiritual road.
But good discipleship is as hard to come by as the people living it with all they have, even when the cost is high.
Don't settle for platitudes in this life, there will not be a make up test.
We should run as those who want to win!
We should fight as those intending on overcoming!
Encouragement is good, we all need it.
But having wisdom is having an edge.
Proverbs 1:22
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