Have the times of the gentiles ended in 1967?
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Okay ... Please enlighten me with the scriptural logic pattern, supporting your understanding, rather than your opinion. Thank You 
In Revelation 19 Jesus returns and throws the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire, in chapter 20 the devil is bound for a thousand years, the righteous dead are raised and rule with Christ for the 1000 years.
After the 1000 years the devil is let loose and he deceives a portion of the people, they will surround the holy city and the camp of the saints and they will be destroyed by a fire coming out of heaven. And then, as the chapter says there will be the great judgment day, the final judgment, followed by the new heaven and the new earth.
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Yes, the millennial kingdom ends all gentile rulership per Daniel 2, 7 and 11.
However, it is also true that Israel now has sovereign self-governance after 2500 ish years.
A development so significant you would think that it would be a matter spoken of in Bible prophecy.
And it is IMO.
[Dan 2:44 KJV]
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
This does not mean that Israel will only exist as a nation after the SC.
However, it is also true that Israel now has sovereign self-governance after 2500 ish years.
A development so significant you would think that it would be a matter spoken of in Bible prophecy.
And it is IMO.
[Dan 2:44 KJV]
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
This does not mean that Israel will only exist as a nation after the SC.
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Its a little complicated but certainly understandable.
There are two (actually 3 but two are prophetic the first and the last) conquests of Nebuchadnezzar.
Both judgements have been "nullified", the 606bc in 1948, the 586bc in 1967.
https://christianchat.com/threads/have-the-times-of-the-gentiles-ended-in-1967.219428/post-5522564
There are two (actually 3 but two are prophetic the first and the last) conquests of Nebuchadnezzar.
Both judgements have been "nullified", the 606bc in 1948, the 586bc in 1967.
https://christianchat.com/threads/have-the-times-of-the-gentiles-ended-in-1967.219428/post-5522564
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For those who might be interested, I just set my Bible down when I got done reading Matthew 21:43....
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Then I just got online and saw the title of this thread. 😊📖
43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Then I just got online and saw the title of this thread. 😊📖
The apostles were taught by Jesus for 40 days about the kingdom prior to the ascension and they asked him:
Acts 1:6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Clearly they still expected an actual kingdom for Israel. Just as the prophets declare.
Acts 1:6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
Clearly they still expected an actual kingdom for Israel. Just as the prophets declare.
Your right, Rev 20 IS kinda confusing, BUT ... If we remember that God is not bound by "Time", chronology, which is a human, only, concept, AND God's "repeat and enlarge" principle of presenting Bible Truth, it's easier to understand, Rev 20:7-15.
Here is how Adventists, understand Rev 20:7-15.
Summary of the Sequence of Revelation 20):
Point #5 above, expresses that there is only ONE "fire" event, destroying the wicked, AFTER "Judgement is executed.
The point being that we serve a merciful and just God... God would not destroy the wicked, without "Judgement", FIRST... opening the books and judging their character worthy or not, to be "saints" and allowed into heaven, or NOT, to be eternally destroyed, by fire.
Here is how Adventists, understand Rev 20:7-15.
Summary of the Sequence of Revelation 20):
- Satan is loosed at the end of the 1000 years (Rev. 20:7).
- The wicked dead are raised (Rev. 20:5).
- They are gathered for battle and surround the city (Rev. 20:8–9).
- Judgment is executed—they see Christ enthroned (Rev. 20:11–12).
- Fire comes down from heaven and devours them (Rev. 20:9, 14–15).
Point #5 above, expresses that there is only ONE "fire" event, destroying the wicked, AFTER "Judgement is executed.
The point being that we serve a merciful and just God... God would not destroy the wicked, without "Judgement", FIRST... opening the books and judging their character worthy or not, to be "saints" and allowed into heaven, or NOT, to be eternally destroyed, by fire.
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Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
Amo 9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
Amo 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
Argue with this for a while.
Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
Amo 9:13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
Amo 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
Amo 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
Argue with this for a while.
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“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.”
Isaiah 65:17-19
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:10, 13 KJV
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. ( the promised land isn’t on this earth )
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
Isaiah 65:17-19
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:10, 13 KJV
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. ( the promised land isn’t on this earth )
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-
“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
Hebrews 12:22-24 KJV
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They Shall Be My People; I Will Be Their God
Jer 32:36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;
Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jer 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
Jer 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
Jer 32:36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;
Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jer 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
Jer 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
Ezk 36:16 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezk 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Ezk 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
Ezk 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Ezk 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
Ezk 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Events leading up to and including 70AD -ww2 ???
Ezk 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Ezk 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
Ezk 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Ezk 36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
Ezk 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Events leading up to and including 70AD -ww2 ???