Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?
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I agree that the potential for sin had to exist. I believe that same potential existed within Jesus in His humanity.
That said, I know that many people disagree vigorously.
Yes, if Jesus was tempted, it would seem there would be no point in the exercise if He were
completely incapable of sinning... and then, how could He be said to be like us in every respect?
For the number 6: Check out the summary of this book here at Amazon. You don’t have to buy or read the book. Just read the summary at Amazon.
For the number seven: See this video here:
SCRIPTURE, not some book on Amazon, and not some video on YouTube. Where is it in SCRIPTURE?
Of course, I know you don't have an answer, because there is no such Scripture, but it would be appropriate for you to admit it.
Why the resistance to books and videos? Anyway, I was going to reply with Scripture but they had more Scripture than me. The book summary and video references Scripture. I can just copy and paste the book summary here if that makes you happy. I also written out the number seven video in this thread already.
You said:
It’s safe to say you have zero knowledge in biblical numerics studies. I can recommend some videos that are really good that use lots of Scripture if you don’t want to keep the blind fold on.
Why the resistance to providing Scripture to back up a claim about Scripture?
It’s safe to say you don’t know jack about me, but are happy to make asinine assumptions that have no basis in reality.
Your in for it now!
I did. However, the answer you seek is not in the exact way you prefer. It would be like somebody asking me to show them Messianic prophecies. Biblical Numerics is sort of like Messianic prophecies. Unlike Isaiah 7:14, not all Old Testament Messianic prophecies tell the Jews to look for the Messiah in the Scriptures. But looking hindsight based on Jesus’ words, we know that the Scriptures speak of Him (See: John 5:39). Jesus said to two of His disciples that they should have known about Christ’s sufferings, and how He was to enter into God’s glory based on the Scriptures (See: Luke 24:25-27). But there is no clear straight forward verse or passage in the OT that says these things like the New Testament does, though. Like Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament involving the Jew, Scripture reveals this truth. This truth was given to you just a few click aways. But seeing you are resistant, I will provide just a few points here (that are sort of like many Messianic prophecies).
For God being tied to the number 7 (which includes multiples of 7):
(To be continued):
You said:
As Christians, our speech should always be with grace, seasoned with salt (Colossians 4:6). Proverbs 15:1 says, “A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger.” Second, if you knew about biblical numerics, you would be able to talk about any points that you disagreed with.
Continuing from my last post to you:
ONLY INCLUDING THE NAMES OF JESUS (THAT REFER TO JESUS HIMSELF) (WHICH WOULD REMOVE THREE OF THEM), WE GET THE FOLLOWING CALCULATION:
Meaning, JESUS is mentioned 70 x 7 in both the odd and even books of the New Testament (each).
This is not some random number, this is a mathematical equation that JESUS Himself spoke.
Jesus said to forgive 70 x 7.
For Jesus said,
“I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.” (Matthew 18:22).
Continued from my previous post to you:
Brandon Peterson’s Number 7 Video on the King James Bible:
John 10:37
“If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.”
John 10:38
"But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.””
Note: These counts are from the accurate software KJB search program called Pure King James Bible Search (of which you can check out here). Other programs or searches online are not as precise and Brandon goes into explaining why in his video.
Jesus says, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”(Revelation 22:13).
It is agreed upon by many Jews and Christians that the number 7 is God’s perfect number.
- Jesus is mentioned 77% through the Bible (by word count).
- In the Genealogy of Christ in Luke 3:23-38 counting from God to our Messiah, Jesus is the 77th from God.
- The word “Jesus” is the 7th word of the New Testament (Matthew 1:1). Jesus is the Alpha or the first.
- Revelation 22:21 (the last verse of the Bible), the word “Jesus” is the 7th word from the end. Meaning, if you count backwards starting from the end in the last verse, Jesus is the 7th word from the end of Revelation. Jesus is the Omega or the last.
- Jesus or Jesus’ = 980 mentions (excluding anti-mentions - when the Bible mentions the name Jesus but it is not referring to Jesus Christ). (70 x 7) + (70 x 7) = 980. This aligns with Matthew 18:22 where Jesus tells Peter to forgive 70 x 7 times. The first 70 x 7 is perfectly found in the odd books of the New Testament. The second 70 x 7 is perfectly found in the even books of the New Testament. This is amazing because there are way more words in the odd books than the even books.
- The word “heaven” is the 7th word in the first verse of the Bible (Genesis 1:1). Looking at the 7th word from the end of the last verse of the Bible (Which is Revelation 22:21) and is the name “Jesus.” So if you were to take the word “heaven” and “Jesus” (including Joshua - which means Jesus) and you add these words together, you get 1,554 (Which is 777 + 777). Note: When Jesus and Heaven are mentioned in the same verse there is 49 mentions (which is 7 x 7). So again, Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, or the first and the last.
- The word “Amen” (the last word in the KJB) (Revelation) shows up 77 times (capitalized) in all of the King James Bible. The last word in the book of Genesis is “Egypt” shows up 77 times in the book of Genesis.
- The first word in the Bible is “In” in Genesis 1:1, and the last word “Amen.” If you were to add the word “In” and “Amen” together you get 777 mentions in the book of Genesis, and the book of Revelation (Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last).
- If you look up “God” (who appears in the first verse of the Bible), and “Jesus” (who appears in the last verse of the Bible) you get a total of 343 mentions in the book of Genesis and the book of Revelation (Which is 7 x 7 x 7). The Alpha and the Omega.
- Genesis 1 describes God creating everything in 6 literal 24 hour days. If you take the first word “In” in Genesis chapter 1, and the last word “day” in Genesis chapter 1, they are mentioned 24 times in this chapter (Which is the 24 hour period of a day).
- If you were to count the words “In” and “day” in the whole Bible you would get the total mentions of 14406. The last two numbers from 14406 is 06 which is the number of days God created everything (Which is 6 days). 144 out of 14406 is how many hours are in 6 days. Meaning, there are 144 hours in 6 days. (14406 = 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 x 6). In other words God (7777) creates everything in 6 days.
- The first and last verses of the Bible each have 17 vowels, 27 consonants, and 44 letters. 17 and 27 are tied to the flood of Noah. In Genesis 7:11 it says the flood began on the 17th, and on the 27th the flood waters had abated in Genesis 8:14. Luke 17:27 talks about the flood and ties it in a few verses down with the return of the Son of Man (Luke 17:30), which is separated by 44 words with veres 28-29. (Note: Luke 17:27 is my addition to the video).
- Revelation 22 has 21 verses in the chapter (Which is 7 + 7 + 7). Revelation 22 is the 49th chapter to contain 21 verses (so it’s the 7 x 7 chapter). In the Greek alphabet, the letters have numeric values assigned to them. Jesus Christ's number in Greek is 888. Jesus Christ’s number in Hebrew ordinal =115. In Greek ordinal Jesus Christ = 205. Jesus Christ number in Hebrew standard = 754. Jesus Christ number in Greek standard = 2,368. Revelation 22 has 2240 letters. Revelation 22 has 805 vowels (which is 7 x 115) (Hebrew ordinal name of Jesus is 115; So it’s Jesus name in Hebrew x 7). Revelation 22 has 1435 consonants (which is 7 x 205) (Greek ordinal name of Jesus is 205; So it’s Jesus name in Greek x 7). Looking at the first seven verses of Revelation 22, it has 754 letters (Which is the Hebrew standard name of Jesus Christ).
- In the New Testament: Jesus = 980 (excluding anti-mentions) + Christ (excluding anti-mentions, but including the words “Christian” meaning Christ follower) = 574. So, 980 (Jesus) + 574 (Christ) = 1554, which is 777 + 777.
- John 1:17, the Law came by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. So if we were to look at the words “Moses” + “Jesus” + “Christ” we get a total of 7 x 7 x 7 x 7 mentions.
- In Genesis 1, when God is directly speaking, He speaks 7 x 7 x 7 words (i.e., 343 words).
- Seventh letter in the Hebrew alphabet is Z. (“Zayin” - sounds like Z). So the last letter for us is the 7th letter for Hebrew. If you count all words that start with A and Z (Alpha and Omega) in Genesis and Revelation you get 7723 words. It is the 980th Prime Number. Jesus shows up 980 times (See #5). If you look at all words that contain the letter A and Z, it is 7777.
- All times that the word “LORD” appears it is referring to Jehovah the holy name of God. “Lord” refers to Adonai or master. In 1611, the original King James Bible said only, "Lord" lower case in Matthew 22:44. But the King James Bible 1629 updated it to the LORD. The first time this word LORD (all capitalized) shows up, it is the 777th word of the chapter. Matthew 22:14 is also the 7th time it is quoting “LORD” from the Old Testament. (1) Matthew 3:3 (2) Matthew 4:7 (3) Matthew 4:10 (4) Matthew 5:33 (5) Matthew 21:9 (6) Matthew 22:37 (7) Matthew 22:44.
- All uppercase names of God in the Bible, and all mentions of Jesus. All uppercase names of God = 6790 (Which is 970 x 7). Jesus' name appears 980 times and 10 of those are possessive mentions (with the apostrophe). So the singular mention of Jesus is 970. If you were to add the uppercase names of Jesus like KING OF KINGS, etc. and BRANCH, and you include the 980 count (adding it to the 6790 number), you get a total of 7777 mentions.
- Counting the number of words in the first and last chapter of the Old Testament (Genesis and Malachi), you get 980 words. 980 is how many times Jesus name appears.
- 1 John 5:7 is one of the most attacked verses in the Bible by scholars. But if you were to count the words “The Father” + “The Word” + “Holy Ghost”, you get a total of 777 mentions (In fact, there are many patterns of the Godhead associated with the number 7).
- If you were to look at all occurrences of Father + Son (capitalized) in the King James Bible when they are talking about God and Jesus (Note: Example, Luke 16:24 is referring to Father Abraham and not God the Father). There are 70 x 7 mentions (490 mentions). If you were to look at the gospels involving "Father + Son”, you then get a total of 7 x 7 x 7 mentions. The first 7 epistles of “Father + Son”, you get a total of 7 x 7 mentions. The last 14 epistles there are 77 mentions of “Father + Son.” In the book of Revelation there are 7 mentions of “Father + Son.” If you look at total verses involving “Father + Son”, in the first 12 books you get 7 x 7 x 7. First seven, post gospels = 7 x 7, 7th epistle = 7, Pauline epistles = 70, Revelation = 70.
- If you were to look at “God + Jesus + Holy Spirit" in the New Testament you get a total of 777 x 3 mentions (2331). If you were to look at the words “God + Jesus + His Spirit” in the entire Bible, you get 777 x 7 mentions (5439).
- God + Father in the gospels you get 491 mentions. But there is one time where they are conjoined that says “God the Father”, which is in John 6:27. So if you were to take this as being conjoined, it is 490 which is 70 x 7 mentions.
- If you were to look at all forms of God (God, God’s, GOD) in the New Testament historical books like the gospels, and the book of Acts, you get a total mention of 490 (which is 70 x 7). New Testament epistles counting all forms of God (God, God’s, GOD) is 777 mentions.
- God appears 7 times in Revelation 22 (that last chapter of the Bible). First mention of God in Revelation 22 is the 77th letter of that chapter. The 490th letter of Revelation 22 is the first mention of Lord in that chapter.
- Jesus + Christ + Messias = 777 mentions.
All of this is verifable by his search files that you can check out at his website. More of his discoveries can be found in his book (Which can get the free online version) from his website. https://sealedbytheking.com/ He has another site called https://truthischrist.com/
For man being like the number 6:
Here is it is from the book summary I gave you from Amazon (Book Source).
The number SIX is the number for 'Man', In Genesis chapter 6 the word “man” appears six times; the sixth book of the bible is the name of a man; Joshua: (6 letters) with 24 chapters (a multiple of six), the word “Joshua” is the same word “Jesus” in the N.T. oddly enough the sixth book of the N.T. is Romans (6 letters) and in Romans 6:6 the sixth word is “man”, just a coincidence? I trow not! The word mankind appears 6x in the bible; 3 in OT, 3in NT.The 18th (3x6) use of the word “man” in the book of Romans is found in Romans 6:6. The word “man” is the sixth word in the verse in Romans exactly 6 times; Romans 2:1; 2:3; 2:6; 3:28; 5:7; 6:6; The number of the Antichrist found in Revelation 13:18 (13+666) is Six Hundred threescore and six or (666). This is the super villainous man at his most corrupt state who we see fighting against the very one who created him. If you add the numbers together from 1 to 36 (6x6); (1+2+3+4... etc.) the total will equal to the number of the Antichrist; 666.The number 6 (man) is joined at the hip with the number 13 which is associated with “rebellion, sin, wicked-ness, evil and the such like” (see 13:13 and comments). In Genesis 1:26 the words “US and OUR” define the makeup of God as a trinity, we know him as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost it is not 1+1+1=3 BUT it is 1x1x1=1. Man is also a triune being made after the image of God we have a body, soul and spirit, see 1st Thessalonians 5:23.The word “Adam”, the first man, appears 6 times (number of man) in chapter 2, and a total of 18 (3x6) times in the entire book of Genesis. The word “man” appears 12 times (2x6) in chapter 2.The gestation period to bear a child is 9 months, that is 36 (6x6) weeks up to 42 (6x7) weeks a total of 270 (6x45) days or 294 (6x49) days.The word “mankind” appears 6 times in the scripture.Genesis 2:9 This is the first use of the word ‘evil’ in scripture, it appears 18 (3x6) x in Gen. The word ‘evil’ appears 613 times in the bible, 6 is the number of ‘man’, 13 is the number for ‘rebellion’. The Rabbis claim that there are 613 laws in the Torah, that is fitting seeing that 6 is the number for fallen man, and 13 is the number of ‘rebellion’. 613 is the 112th prime number. 112/6=18.66666666666667. All words with evil in the word: evil, evildoer, evildoers, evilfavourdness, and evils appears 637 time in the bible. 637 is 7 x 7 x 13Genesis 2:19, the first use of the name “Adam” (his name means “red, human, and man”) it appears 18 (3x6 - six is the number of man) times in Genesis and a total of 6 times in chapter 2. The name ‘Adam’ appears 30 (5x6, death times man) times total in the bible.Genesis 2:23, The sixth (number for man) mention of the name Adam is here presented with his new bride whom he calls “Woman” literally mankind with a womb; because she was taken out of the capital “M” Man. In Eph 5:30 we are bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh. At the 6th mention of Adam we also have “wom-an, her, she and Man” this makes up all of mankind and these two can reproduce all of the other mankind in the world.
Side Note:
On the number 13, there are many US airports that do not have a gate 13.
To all:
Revelation 13:18 says,
This verse above addresses the believer who has understanding, and they are instructed to count the number of the beast, (Which is 666). It’s the number of man (which is the number 6). But for the beast it is tripled.
So how do you count the number? Are you disobeying God by not counting the number?
Is there not a meaning ascribed to this number?
Is it not a part of wisdom?
Also, consider that 2 Timothy 3 says,
Are not the numbers in your Bible a part of Scripture? Are not numbers in your Bible a part of the “All Scripture”... that is profitable for doctrine, and instruction in righteousness?
1 Corinthians 14 says,
The voice of God for us today is Scripture and it is also not without significance or meaning. Every word of God has a purpose and meaning behind it, which would include God referring to specific numbers within His Word.
Revelation 13:18 says,
“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
This verse above addresses the believer who has understanding, and they are instructed to count the number of the beast, (Which is 666). It’s the number of man (which is the number 6). But for the beast it is tripled.
So how do you count the number? Are you disobeying God by not counting the number?
Is there not a meaning ascribed to this number?
Is it not a part of wisdom?
Also, consider that 2 Timothy 3 says,
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2 Timothy 3:16).
Are not the numbers in your Bible a part of Scripture? Are not numbers in your Bible a part of the “All Scripture”... that is profitable for doctrine, and instruction in righteousness?
1 Corinthians 14 says,
“There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” (1 Corinthians 14:10).
The voice of God for us today is Scripture and it is also not without significance or meaning. Every word of God has a purpose and meaning behind it, which would include God referring to specific numbers within His Word.
I asked you a simple question in response to your claim that 6 is the number of man and 7 is the number of God. Where does the Bible state these things?
The answer is that the Bible does not state either. They are opinions, not biblical facts.
So I suppose that we must discount many Messianic prophecies because they do not all state that they are a Messianic prophecy? I mean, stop and think a moment. By your type of understanding here, when God told the Israelites to march around Jericho seven times, it did not mean anything. Imagine if one of the Jews asked God, “Hey God, why are we marching around Jericho seven times?”
God‘s reply: “No reason.“ “I just want you to do it that many times.” But 2 Timothy 3:16 says ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine. The Lord our God has a purpose and plan in everything we do. Nothing is left to some random chance or with it not meaning anything.
Also, Revelation 13:18 states that you are to count a particular number and it gives you an ascribed meaning for that number.
The number is 666 which is the number associated with the Beast. The verse presupposes that you are already aware of biblical numerics because Revelation 13:18 also says that this number is a number of man (Meaning the number 6). Man’s number according to the Bible is 6. The Beast’s number is 666. Meaning, the beast’s number is taking man’s number (Which is 6) and it is tripling it (666).
You just don't get it.
The Bible DOES NOT state ANYWHERE that 7 is the number of God. The Bible DOES NOT state ANYWHERE that 6 is the number of man.
Revelation 13:18 DOES NOT state that 666 is the number of man. It states that 666 is the number of A man. One individual. A specific adult male human person. There is a difference.
I didn't ask you whether you can you make a case for your claim using various vaguely-relevant verses. I asked WHERE IN SCRIPTURE are these things STATED. There is a difference.
Now if you would admit that the Bible DOES NOT STATE these things, then we can continue. I see no point in continuing the discussion when you won't acknowledge reality.
You just don’t get t. The Bible DOES NOT state ANYWHERE within hundreds of Messianic prophecies in the OT that Jesus is the Messiah. Yet, nevertheless, these Messianic prophecies still exist and hundreds of them are recognized by the world of Christianity.
You said:
And here is another part of the Bible that says, “a man” and it clearly refers to all mankind.
Matthew 19:3-5
3 “The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”
This passage above is not referring to just one singular man alone like a specific person only like say, “Bob” and nobody else, but it is referring to all of mankind. So you cannot use this excuse to undo Revelation 13:18.
You said:
Somebody can say the same thing if they asked you to show them Messianic prophecies.
You said:
There is no specific verse that flat out says that Christ made pre-incarnate appearances, but yet they exist.
Matthew 19:5 refers to one man leaving father and mother and cleaving to his wife. But this verse also refers to all of mankind. It is not just for one man alone for this verse to be applied to.
So yes, Revelation 13:18 refers to the man known as the Beast, but his number is based on the number of a man (Number 6). The beast’s number is triple of the number of a man (666). It’s not complicated to figure out.
Face palms from Star Trek TNG will not save you here. You are not addressing all of the points I brought up.