Sorry bill, I do not know how I got mine entangled with your post. I am not too computer wise. But it is readable is it not?
Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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Nope, we're here to destroy the doctrine of ForestGreenCook. Don't blame your teaching on Jesus.
You really think that you have DESTROYED the doctrine. The gates of hell shall not prevail against it. There will always be a witness until the last day. I have counter acted all of your false disclaimers with scripture. You have not destroyed any scripture that I have put forward to you.
I agree that His sheep are God’s elect and He calls them by name. But the gospel is the means by which His sheep are saved. But God speaks to us via His word. No one is saved without it.
God does not save His people without them knowing that Jesus came and died for them my friend.
I am sorry my friend, but CTS is NOT the teaching of Jesus.
Question: Who do you think that God has instructed you to preach to? Do you think that you, by your preaching, can help save those that have not be born again? Do you believe that repentance eternally saves people?
What He is saying is God saves them without hearing the gospel and then they are saved when they hear it by the means of hearing the gospel. The PB’s are Elisha and they have a double portion of God’s Spirit. That is how they can ‘see’ CTS as being scriptural.
We are to preach the gospel to all people, not just those who have ‘elect’ stamped on their forehead or hand.
When God calls His people, @ForestGreenCook , He calls them by His word, not mystical means. When someone is saved in remote areas, it is by either missionaries who witness to them, or by them reading a bible given to them by missionaries. No one in a remote area wakes up one day, looks up and knows God in an intimate relationship. They can see God through natural revelation, but they do not know about Jesus dying for them via it.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.(Romans 1)
Here we can see how far natural revelation takes someone in remote areas who have never heard the gospel my friend. They can see God through it. Many people in these areas have a god they worship, such as a sun god for instance. But this sun god is not God, and this is no sign they are saved. It is proof they are pagan idol worshippers. They take that which they see and take God’s glory and give it to idols. That is the thrust of Paul’s argument here.
Here we can see how far natural revelation takes someone in remote areas who have never heard the gospel my friend. They can see God through it. Many people in these areas have a god they worship, such as a sun god for instance. But this sun god is not God, and this is no sign they are saved. It is proof they are pagan idol worshippers. They take that which they see and take God’s glory and give it to idols. That is the thrust of Paul’s argument here.
Address the posts.
You've had lots of Scripture given you, and lots of questions asked that you've failed to answer.
Look, anyone on here can see you're bobbing and weaving and avoiding answering them.
Begin answering them then I'm going to give you a few more answers and Biblical proof your Gospel is false.
Have you ever wondered why you rarely if ever use Scripture? And why you have about 2 verses that you use almost exclusively (1 Corinthians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:5) taken way out of their intended context, mind you, and that this type of "theological proof" is practiced by all false sects?
You have some posts, and several are back a few pages, that you need to answer. After you answer some of these I'll get to answering yours. So far you just skip over what is said, don't use Scripture and show you have many false assumptions, falsely accuse, bear false witness.
You need to see where you're lied about what I believe, and accept that you did so. No need to debate if you're only going to offer up false accusations. I've not misrepresented what you believe once. Return the favor and at least act converted.
God has always used means to accomplish his eternal purposes. This is where the PB's have gone wrong, by denying this.
They started off "already knowing" God doesn't use means (or it becomes a work of man, because they don't understand that both belief and repentance are works of God, not man) which is a false assumption, and this false doctrine has permeated the rest of their understanding like leaven. They now read this into every text of Scripture and have twisted and distorted the Gospel in order to make their doctrine fit.
So, they must make each text fit their doctrine, and this is exactly what they've done when it should have been done in exact reverse.
Evidently the reasons for their separation from Reformed Baptists are quite reasonable:
*This controversy over whether churches or members should participate in mission boards, Bible tract societies, and temperance societies led the Primitive Baptists to separate from other general Baptist groups that supported such organizations, and to make declarations of opposition to such organizations...*
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What they did not want to be involved with was para-church groups, and there is really nothing wrong with that. Also, their preference for a capella singing, family integrated worship, and foot washing has biblical precedence. Chances are the NT churches did not have any musical instruments, and foot washing is practiced by other Christians according to their understanding of Scripture.
You missed the point: The reason they don't associate is because they believe in and practice what they derogatorily refer to as "Gospel means" ministry. That is why they "don't associate."
You think that you have researched the doctrine that I uphold, but you make false statements about what I believe. Where did you come up with "salvation in this life ONLY"?