Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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Nothing. They don’t need the gospel until FIRST God saves them eternally.
He worshiped a doorknob so he was in the Kingdumb. Wrong kingdom, but still, it'll probably still work.
God choose an elect people before the foundation of the world (Eph 1), . and predetermined that they would be adopted children by Jesus Christ (Eph 1:5). All that the Father giveth me shall come to me (John 6:37). That all of which he hath given me I should lose nothing.(John 6:39). The only way that any human being was saved eternally was by Jesus dying as a sacrifice for the sins of those that God gave him. Those that he died for were eternally saved, in covenant, and were sometime in their lifetime regenerated, those that were accounted for on the cross. There has not been anyone saved eternally sense the cross. Jesus said "it is finnished" and that there would be no more sacrifice for sins. Christ's offering was made to God for man, for God's acceptance, and not to man for man's acceptance. There have been many deliverance (salvations) here on this earth for those that he died for on the cross. Salvation Greek meaning = a deliverance.Oy vey!
Where is ANY of this in the Bible? Show me the verses NOW, please?
Show me even ONE SCRIPTURE that has someone OUTSIDE OF JESUS saved? Jesus says He is the ONLY WAY to the Father. There is NO OTHER NAME GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN by which men shall be saved.
And i dont care if its TEMPORAL or ETERNAL salvation, makes no difference whatsoever, Jesus is the ONLY WAY to the Father.
I do not believe that man saves himself eternally because it is by God's sovereign grace. You are the one that says man can save himself by being obedient to the gospel.
To be honest, I feel sorry for you and am concerned for you on several levels.
The first is that you've been indoctrinated with error and preach an errant Gospel and have changed the meaning of the gospel, denied it's clear means (in fact the book of Romans destroys your "time salvation") and have even changed the salvation to something only temporary.
The other is that no matter how many passages shown you, distort the Gospel, make belief and repentance a work when shown clearly this is not the work of man. You continuously avoid addressing the clear Scriptures that refute you and then repeat your mantra "saved in time" over and over.
The church never taught your doctrine, sir. Not once. Let that sink in. Please.
Then there is the fact, and I say this all in concern, that you cannot prove your errant false gospel with Scripture though asked several times to do so from several persons on here.
I understood perfectly well where you were leading everyone with your posts in forum, and your super hyper misinterpretation of 1 Corinthians 2:14. This is why I set out to and have refuted and exposed your gospel in posts 149 and 150.
Have a good evening sir. Ephesians 1:18.
I agree with Acts 4:12 wholeheartedly. God choose his elect people in Eph 1:4 and gave them to his Son to adopt as his children and Jesus paid the adoption price on the cross bringing eternal salvation (in covenant relationship) to all that The Father gave to him. Jesus said "it is finished". There is no other name we must be delivered by.
You have not given me scripture that disproves that the natural man, described in 1 Cor 2:14 can understand spiritual things until God puts the Holy Spirit within him in regeneration (Eph 2, especially in verse 5.). Ask your atheist friends what they think about Romans 1 and hear what they say. Jesus instructed his apostles to go and preach only to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel (Jacob's
name was changed by God to be called Israel who is a type of God's elect) Why, in your understanding would Jesus tell them to preach "ONLY" to them? If they are called sheep, they are children of God.
Ok I will bite . Being a former atheist, I work hard to evangelize these folks . I have heard it all from them . Mostly they hold no particular opinion concerning one part of the scriptures over another. Most often they tell me what they think I want to hear . So answering such a question is really a pointless exercise .
Now concerning the underlined
So if your a gentile Christian you are the fruit of a disobedient believer that evangelized a non Jew ? Note the underlined statement I hear regularly from Muslims but rarely from Christians when used in context of evangelicalism
Blessings
Bill
Let me see here...you are anti-gospel, pro-free grace theology and are now antinomian. Your heresies are over your head now my friend.
According to you, man can not save himself eternally, but he can save himself in time. You are the one who has a works based salvarion my friend.
And I agree with all of this. However, none of this happens until after someone hears the gospel. No matter how hard you 'pretzel logic' it to fit you agenda, none of His elect are saved outside of the hearing of the gospel. Those who are lost are like this...
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we received mercy, we do not lose heart, but we have renounced the things hidden because of shame, not walking in craftiness or adulterating the word of God, but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.(2 Cor. 4:1-6)
Satan has all unbelievers blinded @ForestGreenCook , elect and non-elect alike. The elect are blinded by Satan until the time when God comes in and removes the blinders and then, and only then, can they truly see the light of the gospel. This is done via God's word, and only through God's word. No one in a remote area who has never read a bible, never had a missionary witness to them, knows that Jesus Christ exists. This illumination only comes via the word of God, not these mystical means you are trying to promulgate on here.
The natural man can not understand spiritual things my friend, and we are not disagreeing with you on this. It is where you have ran off the rails where we have confronted you. You are thinking that just because some Indians believed in a 'Happy Hunting Ground' is proof they were regenerated. They were not. No one is given the Spirit of God and then later converted by the gospel. No one is unsaved after they receive the Spirit. When one is regenerated, that person is saved, and when a person is saved, that person is regenerated. These happen simultaneously my friend.
The Muslims believe they will receive either 70 or 72(I've read both) virgins in heaven if they die a martyr. By using your logic, they're saved, even though they reject Jesus as Messiah, and most hate others who are not of them.
The Egyptians believed in an afterlife and took riches with them to have there. By using your logic, they believed in an afterlife, then by-golly, they're regenerated.
Notice those two afterlives, the Muslim and Egyptian. Both of them think of themselves, and their pleasures. They are afterlives of selfishness and greed.
So, if a man is obedient to the gospel he saves him save, but if he is disobedient to the gospel, he is lost. Where else does this leave you and your false gospel my friend? You have painted yourself in a corner.
What verse or verses state this as biblical truth my friend? Offer them up and let us debate them.
This generation is more wicked than any other generation in history, worse than Sodom & Gomorrah, they are forever hearing but never understanding, forever seeing but never perceiving. Jeremiah was talking about you and me and all these teachers that we have heaped on ourselves more than he was talking to them (past generation)- how then was it a prophesy? aren't you aware that all these prophesies are being fulfilled in the church era?
Then why is God calling us from Babylon and we are not even near Syria?
Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.
Yes, forever hearing but never understanding.