Handwriting Of Ordinances

[JaumeJ]

Only by translation. My Avatar represents the seven spirits of the churches….. My ethnicity at birth is pure US Hillbilly.….. I do not mind that at all, that is where God put me to be born, hey, guess what?! My whole fmily too.

 

[Noblemen]

Only by translation. My Avatar represents the seven spirits of the churches….. My ethnicity at birth is pure US Hillbilly.….. I do not mind that at all, that is where God put me to be born, hey, guess what?! My whole fmily too.

Haha yea hear you my neck is a little red

 

[JaumeJ]

Although I was brought up in Long Beach, CÇa. I would go back to Missouri some summers and buck hay, plow the fields, string barbed wire fence, slopped the hogs, and then some……...
I did go to Israel, was sent actually, and worked on a kibbutz in the "lool"" or chicken house. It was not a Missouri type chicken hose, nope, about 300,00 chickens at a time. I also worked in the "assm" or feed barn mixing special feeds for the chickens. It was supported by the Israeli government in experimentation in fast growing them. It was nice. I even managed to teach one of them how to sifón water out of the tanks wen cleaning them without having to "suck" on the hose……….I learned that one from watching Mexicans working on irrigation in Arizona...………...easy-peasy.. 'Nuff of my bragging, now back down to earth. God bless you NB

 

[Noblemen]

Although I was brought up in Long Beach, CÇa. I would go back to Missouri some summers and buck hay, plow the fields, string barbed wire fence, slopped the hogs, and then some……...
I did go to Israel, was sent actually, and worked on a kibbutz in the "lool"" or chicken house. It was not a Missouri type chicken hose, nope, about 300,00 chickens at a time. I also worked in the "assm" or feed barn mixing special feeds for the chickens. It was supported by the Israeli government in experimentation in fast growing them. It was nice. I even managed to teach one of them how to sifón water out of the tanks wen cleaning them without having to "suck" on the hose……….I learned that one from watching Mexicans working on irrigation in Arizona...………...easy-peasy.. 'Nuff of my bragging, now back down to earth. God bless you NB

I grew up in Redlands California, not to far from you. We are from here in Oklahoma where I live now. We migrated to Cali in 65' I was a young buck and as yourself I came back every summer and did the things you talk about, sounded like my life story ha. I have been back and forth living a few times, my last and final move hopefully was in 95' to Tulsa. I live in the bowdunk town of Fletcher population 3 I think maybe haha, they roll the sidewalks up at night.

 

[JaumeJ]

I grew up in Redlands California, not to far from you. We are from here in Oklahoma where I live now. We migrated to Cali in 65' I was a young buck and as yourself I came back every summer and did the things you talk about, sounded like my life story ha. I have been back and forth living a few times, my last and final move hopefully was in 95' to Tulsa. I live in the bowdunk town of Fletcher population 3 I think maybe haha, they roll the sidewalks up at night.

My kind of town, Fletcher is. My sister, recently passed on in Jesus Christ, lived in Ardmore. I had folks in El Reno. In the AF I was stationed at Altud AFB. And I have others in Lawton. Not bad for not having anyone in Oklahoma until my adult years began.

I am not sure, but I think two singers, country and western, came from Redlands or near there. Jeanie and Janie Black. I knew them slightly having met tham at Cliffie Stone's Hometown Jamboree, along with such notables as Speedy West and Tennessee Ernie Ford...… Yeah, life is weird.
Stationed at Altus, I was invited to Dallas for a presidential reception. I could not attend due to my duties but I am happy I did not because that was when JFK was killed...….life is weird.........lots more weird stuff in my time, but so weird it is uinbelievable. God bless you and all there in Fletcher.

 

[Noblemen]

My kind of town, Fletcher is. My sister, recently passed on in Jesus Christ, lived in Ardmore. I had folks in El Reno. In the AF I was stationed at Altud AFB. And I have others in Lawton. Not bad for not having anyone in Oklahoma until my adult years began.

I am not sure, but I think two singers, country and western, came from Redlands or near there. Jeanie and Janie Black. I knew them slightly having met tham at Cliffie Stone's Hometown Jamboree, along with such notables as Speedy West and Tennessee Ernie Ford...… Yeah, life is weird.
Stationed at Altus, I was invited to Dallas for a presidential reception. I could not attend due to my duties but I am happy I did not because that was when JFK was killed...….life is weird.........lots more weird stuff in my time, but so weird it is uinbelievable. God bless you and all there in Fletcher.

I was just in Ardmore for tge first time, my son lives in Norman north on 35.
I was just in Altus too for the first time funny.
I don't remember hearing about the Black singers. Yea that is a weird kind of story about JFK and cool at same time lot of history.
Yea life has a a way of dealing some strange stuff at times, bless you brother

 

[lightbearer]

You are free if the Son has set you free, choose this day

Free from the bondage of sin.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
(Joh 8:32-37 KJV)
Christ; His word had no place in them. Christ, His Word; His Spirit sets us free from the servitude of sin. And Free we are indeed.
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
(1Pe 2:24 KJV)

 

[lightbearer]

Only by translation. My Avatar represents the seven spirits of the churches….. .

Thanks for sharing about yourself in this thread. Your comment here in relation to your avatar made me think of Revlation and these verse found in Isaiah.
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
(Isa 11:1-2 KJV)

 

[JaumeJ]

Thanks for sharing about yourself in this thread. Your comment here in relation to your avatar made me think of Revlation and these verse found in Isaiah.
And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
(Isa 11:1-2 KJV)

That word is from Biblical Hebrew….


Something from the Hebrew influence in our Word, Jesus. It is foretold our ¨Savior would be called the Branch, just as in the scripture you have shared from Isaiah...in Zechariah I belie also.

Jesus was from Nazareth. The word for Branch is Nazar, what one from Nazareth was called I believe.

 

[lightbearer]

Colossians 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

If you still follow the " handwriting of ordinances" and fall over yourself to keep the law and be a good Moses gospel expositor, then you are missing the greatest life ever to be lived.

Grammatically speaking the text should be translated Blotting out the handwriting to the or of the ordinances that were against us. The clause is in the Dative case and there is a definite article in the Greek in relation to the ordinances being mentioned, which would dictate that the word "the" be used before it when translated. Which makes the handwriting mentioned rather specific.

We should also keep in mind that it is the Handwriting to the ordinances that were against us that were blotted out. Not all of what Moses penned in the Book of the Law was against us. Those that showed us what a life in and with God were not against us. Those which dealt with when we sin were. The clause in verse thirteen" having forgiven you all trespasses" sets the context for what follows. It is those handwriting to the ordinances that dealt with when we sinned that were against us according to the context of the passage. Forgiven of all trespasses having been quickened together with Christ.

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
(Col 2:11-13)

The circumcision made without hands; the cutting off the Body of the sins of the flesh with the circumcision of Christ. The Mystery from ages past. Now being manifested. Which is Christ in us the Hope of Glory. Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
(Col 1:27-29; 2Co 5:17-211 Pet 2:24 )

 

[Sketch]

If you still follow the " handwriting of ordinances" and fall over yourself to keep the law and be a good Moses gospel expositor, then you are missing the greatest life ever to be lived.

You got that right. Jesus said it best.

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

 

[Sketch]

Ok..can someone tell us what the handwriting of ordinances actually was. Specifically.

I have heard some say it was the laws of moses but not the ten commandments.

The NIV translation makes it clearer. It says, "our legal indebtedness".
Basically, the condemnation of the law toward us.

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This passage below helps us to further understand the differences between the law and grace. (the ministry of the Spirit)
The Ten Commandments (the law) were "engraved in letters on stone". This says that the TCs are the transitory ministry that brought condemnation and death, which has no glory now. The letter of the law kills. The Spirit of the new covenant gives life.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

 

[Lanolin]

The NIV translation makes it clearer. It says, "our legal indebtedness".
Basically, the condemnation of the law toward us.

Colossians 2:14
having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This passage below helps us to further understand the differences between the law and grace. (the ministry of the Spirit)
The Ten Commandments (the law) were "engraved in letters on stone". This says that the TCs are the transitory ministry that brought condemnation and death, which has no glory now. The letter of the law kills. The Spirit of the new covenant gives life.

2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Thats clear thanks well then those sdas who constantly go on about the ten commandments must be wrong then. They were arguing that it was only the books of Moses and writing Moses did that counted as hadnwritng of ordinances that was done away with, not the ten commandments written by the finger of God on those stone tablets. But actually...where is the ark of covenant now with those stone tablets?
Werent they covered in the blood of Jesus?
If the ten commandments were still to be followed today to the letter then we would still have the temple with those stone tablets on display. But those laws were broken many times over!!! They were even broken before the isralites had a chance to hear them.

Now theres nothing wrong with those laws themselves in fact they are very good and following them is not grievous...but Jesus gave two greater commandments and if we follow His ones then we are walking in the spirit...and we have those laws in our hearts.

But even unto this day when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

 

[JaumeJ]

We do not put any hope in Moses. Our hope is in Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Who is our Teacher.

He has revealed the manner of obeying God in His teaching. He explains how and why and which of the laws will stand while thereremain sun and moor. He does not lie.

Remember kGod considers disobedience as akin to idol worship.

The curse of the law, death was destroyed on the cross. Jesus rendered all of the long list of laws irrelevant leaving only those laws which comprise Love...……..if you believe those laws should be taught againsst, there is something seriously wrong with you understanding and your love.

 

[Sketch]

Thats clear thanks well then those sdas who constantly go on about the ten commandments must be wrong then. They were arguing that it was only the books of Moses and writing Moses did that counted as hadnwritng of ordinances that was done away with, not the ten commandments written by the finger of God on those stone tablets. But actually...where is the ark of covenant now with those stone tablets?
Werent they covered in the blood of Jesus?
If the ten commandments were still to be followed today to the letter then we would still have the temple with those stone tablets on display. But those laws were broken many times over!!! They were even broken before the isralites had a chance to hear them.

Now theres nothing wrong with those laws themselves in fact they are very good and following them is not grievous...but Jesus gave two greater commandments and if we follow His ones then we are walking in the spirit...and we have those laws in our hearts.

But even unto this day when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Yes, that's interesting when some groups try to push the law of Moses onto Moses. As if they were his laws. Moses was a prophet. God gave him the laws to write down. The term the law of Moses refers to all five books of the law. But they are still God's laws, not Moses' laws.