Gospel Confusion...

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Galatians 1:11–12 (KJV)
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ
How Do These Two Verses Prove Two Different Gospels?
Galatians 1:11–12 is Paul’s declaration that the message he preached was not the same as any message previously given in Scripture—including Jesus’ earthly preaching and the gospel preached by the Twelve concerning the Kingdom soon to come because it was at hand.

Paul clearly stated “the gospel which was preached of me
This clearly distinguishes his gospel from every other gospel source. If there were only one gospel in the Bible, Paul would never need to speak of “the gospel preached by me.” He would simply say “the gospel.” This phrase alone implies a unique, identifiable message entrusted to him.

Paul’s gospel did NOT come from any human teacher:
“not after man”
“neither received it of man”
This eliminates:
  • the Twelve apostles
  • the Jerusalem church
  • Jesus’ earthly ministry (because that was “of man” in the sense of earthly witnesses)
Paul is saying:
“No man on earth taught me what I’m preaching—not Peter, not James, not John, not anyone.” That means Paul’s gospel cannot be merely a continuation of the gospel taught by Christ in His earthly ministry or by the apostles before Paul’s conversion.

Paul received his gospel ONLY “by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

This makes Paul’s message:
  • directly revealed from the ascended Christ
  • new in content
  • not previously known (compare Gal. 1:23; Eph. 3:1–9)
Jesus did not reveal this gospel during His earthly ministry; He revealed it after His ascension, specifically and exclusively to Paul. This proves Paul is preaching something that had to be revealed, something hidden until then. A gospel that must be revealed later cannot be the same as the gospel already preached in Matthew–John.

Since I was accused of my earlier post typed on the fly, I figured I may as well get something from CHATGPT since perhaps THAT will speak to the younger folks of today.

MM
 
Galatians 1:11–12 (KJV)
But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.​
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ
How Do These Two Verses Prove Two Different Gospels?
Galatians 1:11–12 is Paul’s declaration that the message he preached was not the same as any message previously given in Scripture—including Jesus’ earthly preaching and the gospel preached by the Twelve concerning the Kingdom soon to come because it was at hand.

Paul clearly stated “the gospel which was preached of me
This clearly distinguishes his gospel from every other gospel source. If there were only one gospel in the Bible, Paul would never need to speak of “the gospel preached by me.” He would simply say “the gospel.” This phrase alone implies a unique, identifiable message entrusted to him.

Paul’s gospel did NOT come from any human teacher:
“not after man”
“neither received it of man”
This eliminates:
  • the Twelve apostles
  • the Jerusalem church
  • Jesus’ earthly ministry (because that was “of man” in the sense of earthly witnesses)
Paul is saying:
“No man on earth taught me what I’m preaching—not Peter, not James, not John, not anyone.” That means Paul’s gospel cannot be merely a continuation of the gospel taught by Christ in His earthly ministry or by the apostles before Paul’s conversion.

Paul received his gospel ONLY “by the revelation of Jesus Christ.”

This makes Paul’s message:
  • directly revealed from the ascended Christ
  • new in content
  • not previously known (compare Gal. 1:23; Eph. 3:1–9)
Jesus did not reveal this gospel during His earthly ministry; He revealed it after His ascension, specifically and exclusively to Paul. This proves Paul is preaching something that had to be revealed, something hidden until then. A gospel that must be revealed later cannot be the same as the gospel already preached in Matthew–John.

Since I was accused of my earlier post typed on the fly, I figured I may as well get something from CHATGPT since perhaps THAT will speak to the younger folks of today.

MM

No chapgpt please. We can discuss it based on the bible. Who's accussing you of what?

And what's your questions please? Is to help me to better understand where you're coming from.
 
So what are the two gospels?

The Gospel of the Kingdom
Preached by:
  • John the Baptist
  • Jesus in His earthly ministry
  • The Twelve apostles before Paul
It proclaimed:
  • The King is here
  • The Kingdom promised to Israel is at hand
  • Israel must repent, believe in Jesus as Messiah, and be baptized
  • The Kingdom would come to earth (Matt. 4:17, 10:5–7) with some standing within earshot of Jesus told by the Lord Himself that some of them would see ALL those things prophesied by the Lord scheduled to come about within their lifetimes...but that did not happen...
This gospel was Israel-centered, prophecy-based, and earthly in scope.

The Gospel of the Grace of God (Paul’s gospel)
Revealed only to Paul first:
  • salvation by grace through faith alone
  • the cross as the full payment for sin
  • no works, no baptism requirement
  • Jew and Gentile placed into one new man and the Body of Christ
  • a heavenly calling
    (1 Cor. 15:1–4; Rom. 2–5; Eph. 3:1–9)
This gospel was not foretold in prophecy.
It was a mystery, hidden until revealed to Paul first.

Galatians 1:11–12 proves two gospels because:
  1. Paul’s gospel was unique (“the gospel preached by me (not, "me and the other twelve)”).
  2. Paul did not receive it from any earthly source, including the apostles.
  3. Paul received it directly from the risen Christ, meaning it was a new revelation.
  4. You cannot have a "new gospel" unless an earlier gospel existed.
Thus the Bible contains:
  • The prophetic, kingdom gospel to Israel, committed to the Twelve.
  • The mystery, grace gospel to the Body of Christ, committed to Paul.
MM
 
No chapgpt please. We can discuss it based on the bible. Who's accussing you of what?

And what's your questions please? Is to help me to better understand where you're coming from.

Good question. How about the verses in question in the above posts, which is Galatians 1: 11-12.

1) Paul persecuted believing Jews across Israel on the basis of what he had learned from other men concerning the gospel preached by Peter and the other ten (in Acts 2).

2) The gospel preached to Paul that was revealed to Paul ONLY by Christ directly, that could not be the same as that preached by Jesus or the twelve throughout the four gospels.

The contention put forth by some is that there's only one gospel all throughout, even though one required water baptism and the other did not.

Does that answer your question?

MM
 
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Good question. How about the verses in question in the above posts, which is Galatians 1: 11-12.

1) Paul persecuted believing Jews across Israel on the basis of what he had learned from other men concerning the gospel preached by Peter and the other ten (in Acts 2).

You must determine the time period, in Acts 2, Paul already a born again. There's no prosecution against Christian. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His prosecution against Christian is before from the road to Damascus. He was blinded the light from heaven during his road to Damascus. There he met Jesus personally the first time. His second meeting with Jesus is in the Arabia desert 🏜, there he received the revelation from Jesus personally for 3 years. All Apostles so to speak received 3 years of training from Jesus.

You're in the wrong footing my friend.


2) The gospel preached to Paul that was revealed to Paul ONLY by Christ directly, that could not be the same as that preached by Jesus or the twelve throughout the four gospels.

The contention put forth by some is that there's only one gospel all throughout, even though one required water baptism and the other did not.

Does that answer your question?

MM
 
Churchianity's deadness can be blamed upon, to a great degree, the loss of the life-giving power of the gospel Paul preached and the failure to walk in the identity and calling of the Body of Christ.

Here are some helpful, biblical reasons why churchianity seems so dead to many, especially through the portal of Paul's teaching in his epistles.

Churchianity Preaches a Mixed or Confused Gospel

Paul warned against adding law to grace because of such a mixture tending toward the killing of spiritual life. Some people experience warm feelings after attending one of those things that confuses many by blurring the lines of distinction between the gospels, thus failing to rightly divide the word of truth, but its a false warm fuzzy because of the failure of their false teaching pastors in establishing the distinctions between biblical truths, some of which apply to us and many that do not, all while helping them feel good about falsehoods that some propagate with gusto in conversations in person and in forums like this.
  • “Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?” (Gal. 3:3)
  • “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” (Gal. 5:9)

A church that erroneously preaches:
  • Grace plus works,
  • Faith plus performance,
  • The Kingdom gospel mixed with Paul’s gospel,

…will always remain lifeless, because law and/or works of personal effort for salvation and an alleged retention of salvation produces bondage, not life. That is a ditch filled with the sewage of indifference and apathy for any desire to seek out the truth. The powers and principalities of the air are more than happy to assist professing believers remain in that ditch of sewage-based doctrines of men and tradition.

Institutionalized Churchianity, in General, Ignores and Even Denies Paul’s Distinct Apostleship

Paul said:
  • “I magnify mine office.” (Rom. 11:13)
  • “In me first… He might show forth all longsuffering for a pattern.” (1 Tim. 1:16)

Most of churchianity, on the other hand:
  • Preach the red letters addressed to Israel while ignoring the revelations Christ gave from heaven to Paul for the identity and edifying of the body of Christ.
  • Teach the Sermon on the Mount (kingdom law) instead of Romans–Philemon (Body truth).
  • Mix Israel’s earthly promises with the Body’s heavenly calling and destination everlasting.

Spiritual confusion leads to spiritual death in the pews and chairs that fill so many alleged "sanctuaries." They're mostly sanctuaries against TRUE fellowship, with the people relegated to pretending they're experiencing true fellowship, but only with the backs of each other's heads. This arrangement fosters separation and isolation away from truly experiencing mutual edification that, in many institutions of churchianity, has been supplemented with the band-aid "home groups" programs, the vast majority of which still fail to immerse themselves into biblical fellowship because of the people not being trained up in what that level of fellowship really entails. Instead, they generally plunge downward into the lower regions of "Bible study" they can and should do at any time on their own and/or social clubs with each individual still being as distant from one another as if they were a million miles away from each other.

There's Therefore No Clear Gospel in the Midst of the Mixture

A church that cannot clearly answer the question:

“What must I do to be saved?”

…cannot produce spiritual life.

The only gospel that saves today is:

Christ died for our sins,
was buried,
and rose again.

(1 Cor. 15:1–4)

...not by including water baptism as was preached by Peter in Acts 2.

Most churches:
  • Preach “give your life to Jesus,”
  • “Make Him Lord,”
  • “Turn from all your sins,”

…none of which is the gospel of grace and is somewhat doctrines of demons because nobody can MAKE Christ Lord given that He is Lord over all and always has been and will be, which includes ALL of humanity. The idea an individual can possess any measure of righteous virtue worthy of the Lord's attention and consideration as an addition to the sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ, that's nothing but fleshly pride, which the Lord hates.

Nobody can retain their salvation by grace because they cannot earn their salvation by grace, which is defined as "unmerited favor." Why so many people completely miss the ramifications of those terms can only be rooted in the blinding by the enemy of our souls those who willingly give themselves over to that lie.

A foggy gospel, therefore, produces a foggy churchianity that preaches "another gospel," which is not a gospel; for the Law cannot give life today given we are saved ONLY by grace through faith alone.

Entertainment Has Replaced Edification

Much of Churchianity today often majors in:
  • Light shows
  • Emotional music
  • Motivational speeches
  • Social programs

…all the while minoring in:
  • Doctrine
  • Scripture
  • Rightly dividing
  • Sound preaching

Paul warned of this:

“They will not endure sound doctrine…
and shall be turned unto fables.”

(2 Tim. 4:3–4)

Churchianity Has Abandoned the Authority of Scripture

Much of churchianity is driven by:
  • public opinion
  • cultural pressures
  • marketing
  • psychology

…instead of biblical-based Scripture.

Without the Bible, there is no life, because the Book is where Christ’s life flows.

Churchianity Suppresses the Power of the Cross

The cross cannot help but to:
  • humble human pride,
  • expose our inabilities,
  • give all glory to Christ.

Churchianity preaches:
  • self-help
  • self-improvement
  • self-esteem

Paul said:

“The preaching of the cross… is the power of God.”
(1 Cor. 1:18)

When the cross is silenced, which characterizes much of churchianity, the power is gone.

Holy Spirit Only Works Through Truth

Holy Spirit doesn't empower:
  • false doctrine
  • mixed doctrine
  • watered-down doctrine

Holy Spirit empowers truth rightly divided.

The Spirit’s sword is the Word of truth (Eph. 6:17).
If the Word is neglected, the Spirit is quenched.

Churchianity is Focused on Programs, Not People

Activity ≠ spiritual life.

Many churches are busy while remaining barren. Emotional, warm fuzzies about being a part of something bigger than self, that fosters a false sense of well-being in relation to the One who alone is the Giver of all life and spiritual vitality. Spirituality is not a felling, it's a state of being.

Paul never built programs; he built saints through doctrine, teaching, correction, and edification...never through entertainment and inclusions of worldly humor and rudiments of culture and secular scholasticism.

Churchianity, being full of programs, is generally empty of edification and will therefore always remain mostly dead apart from the few spirit-filled souls within them who move about in dutiful, although misguided, loyalties to what they think is something the Lord built and endorsed.

Churchianity Has Abandoned Heavenly Identity

When the Body of Christ tries to live as Israel because of some false sense of even having replaced Israel, those who dabble in that end up trying to:
  • keep a selective set of Israel’s laws,
  • claim Israel’s promises for themselves,
  • hire false teaching pastors who preach Israel’s gospel,
  • pursue Israel’s kingdom that is not at all meant for the body of Christ,

…churchianity therefore loses its identity and purpose, thus failing to align with the Bible it claims to preach.

Churchianity without identity with the Truth is churchianity without vitality.

People Aren’t Being Trained for Ministry Within Churchianity by Their Hirelings

Paul taught that every believer is a minister:

“For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry.” (Eph. 4:12)

Instead, churchianity trains people to be:
  • spectators,
  • dependents,
  • supporters of the career staff, their real estate with office space, lawn care, token outreaches and missionary support,
  • customers who pay their dues as they would the Lion's Club or Moose Lodge.

Because the saints aren't growing as they should, churchianity becomes characteristically stale.

In Short, Churchianity is Dead Because it Has Abandoned Paul’s Pattern

When the body of Christ ignores:
  • Paul’s gospel,
  • Paul’s doctrine,
  • Paul’s pattern,
  • Paul’s revelation,

…it disconnects itself from the very source of spiritual life for this dispensation...a word that many Evangelicals and religionists alike hate with a passion, even though it's used in the Bible FOUR times contextually consistent with differing gospels.

MM
 
Me_Clay said:

You must determine the time period, in Acts 2, Paul already a born again. There's no prosecution against Christian. Correct me if I'm wrong.

His prosecution against Christian is before from the road to Damascus. He was blinded the light from heaven during his road to Damascus. There he met Jesus personally the first time. His second meeting with Jesus is in the Arabia desert 🏜, there he received the revelation from Jesus personally for 3 years. All Apostles so to speak received 3 years of training from Jesus.

You're in the wrong footing my friend.

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You combined your comments into a quote of my post, making it look like I'm the author of what you wrote, so I had to quote your statements apart from mine.

You missed the point. Paul was well aware of the Kingdom Gospel preached by the twelve, and that awareness was derived from what he heard from other men. Read Galatians 1:11-12 more carefully. Paul wasn't persecuting the Jewish believers on the basis of a false report. The scriptures give us no reason to believe that. He heard from other mortal men the Kingdom Gospel that was being spread among the Messianic Jews and he was set upon putting a stop to it. I agree with you that he did that before his conversion on the road to Damascus. That is part of the point in my observation, with my pointing at the ultimate point of differences in the gospels.

Paul's gospel was not, therefore, based upon what he knew the twelve were preaching to Israel because what Paul preached was not given to him by any man, as Galatians 1: 11-12 clearly stated to us. What Paul preached was revealed directly to him from Christ, which clearly differentiates it from what was preached by the twelve, and was so powerful that:

1 Corinthians 2:7-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Satan had Gentiles in his back pocket, so to speak. They were his before the Gospel of Grace came into being. This, therefore, contributes to the fact that Paul preached a unique Gospel that, although still was rooted into the foundation of the shed Blood of Christ for sin, it still was unique in that it did away with any requirement for self effort AND included Gentiles partaking without having to join with Israel for salvation and sharing in the promises and blessings given to Abraham:

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

This became possible because of this:

Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Given that salvation therefore CAME unto the Gentiles clearly reinforces for us the understanding that they did not, in times past, have it available to them apart from joining with Israel as the portal through which the Lord had chosen as the nation of His priests before the middle wall of partition came down with the fall of Israel.

So, no, Paul's gospel to the Gentiles was not the Kingdom Gospel of the twelve. They were not one and the same in every respect and in their inclusions.

MM
 
The pathetic question that I've been asked by a couple of people, asking why I follow ONLY Paul, that begs the question.

How can anyone follow ALL that is taught within scripture?

We can't.

Nobody can.

Consider when Jesus told the healed leper to go and offer up the offering at the temple commanded by Moses, showing himself to the chief priest, we can't follow that command from the Mosaic Law, and yet some will claim we must follow differing gospels. That absolutely is indefensible and contrary to rational and doctrinal continuity with the Bible they all claim to believe. Parroting what "pastor" taught without comparing their "pastor's" false teachings against scripture, that's a failure in one's duty to take proper responsibility for what they claim to believe.

Even the twelve were zealous for the Law, as is stated in scripture.

MM