Gospel Confusion...

[Ouch]

Please sharpen your reading comprehension skills. I specifically addressed the practice of expounding upon the word of God rather than any particular doctrinal issue. You're worse than exhaustive in your meaningless posts and misplaced laughter. Being a drive-by shooter type of poster, this is getting nowhere in trying to converse with you given that you have no intent to converse and expound upon your reasonings. The scriptures speak for themselves, and conversation involving expository discussions is not a violation of the scriptures.

So, you go and do you, and I'll continue conversing with those who are able and willing to converse WITH each other rather than one side yammering AT the other.

MM

Do you still believe that everyone is put in the book of life at birth?

If not we got somewhere.

Your insults don't bother me at all, makes you look small.

So were on the same page and you don't want to prove there is more than one gospel the gospel which Peter preached and Paul obeyed is the only one.

If your content in GOD'S word where you are it's best for you to be with friends that believed the same thing you do.

If you want to learn more, you can start by answering some questions because searching for the answers will let you see HIS word better.

Best of luck.

 

[Musicmaster]

The bragging that some perpetrate without realizing it is something to behold when claiming that we today must go through the work of being baptized for the remission of our sins in the face of, and contradiction of, scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-9 — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. If our sins were not done away with on the basis of our faith in the sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ for our sins, then Paul was dead wrong. I believe he taught precisely what Jesus instructed him to preach as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

Nobody has shown anything that legitimately negates this. Some may have tried, but I no longer see the postings of some because of the staunch indifference of some to legitimate discussion and who think that repeating the same old falsehoods somehow makes them truth.

MM

 

[Ouch]

The bragging that some perpetrate without realizing it is something to behold when claiming that we today must go through the work of being baptized for the remission of our sins in the face of, and contradiction of, scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-9 — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. If our sins were not done away with on the basis of our faith in the sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ for our sins, then Paul was dead wrong. I believe he taught precisely what Jesus instructed him to preach as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

Nobody has shown anything that legitimately negates this. Some may have tried, but I no longer see the postings of some because of the staunch indifference of some to legitimate discussion and who think that repeating the same old falsehoods somehow makes them truth.

MM

You are right, I know I at least have shown you were you are in era.

Question you have yet to answer tell me what I have to do today to be reborn?

Don't show me 1 Cor. 15:1-4 because that was in the past.

As I have asked you what was the message that was preached and you still have not told me.

What do I have to do today???

 

[Ouch]

The bragging that some perpetrate without realizing it is something to behold when claiming that we today must go through the work of being baptized for the remission of our sins in the face of, and contradiction of, scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-9 — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. If our sins were not done away with on the basis of our faith in the sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ for our sins, then Paul was dead wrong. I believe he taught precisely what Jesus instructed him to preach as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

Nobody has shown anything that legitimately negates this. Some may have tried, but I no longer see the postings of some because of the staunch indifference of some to legitimate discussion and who think that repeating the same old falsehoods somehow makes them truth.

MM

Where did you go?

The bragging that some perpetrate without realizing it is something to behold when claiming that we today must go through the work of being baptized for the remission of our sins in the face of, and contradiction of, scripture:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Contradiction of scripture? Looks more like scripture.


Question you have yet to answer tell me what I have to do today to be reborn?

Don't show me 1 Cor. 15:1-4 because that was in the past.

As I have asked you what was the message that was preached and you still have not told me.

 

[mailmandan]

The bragging that some perpetrate without realizing it is something to behold when claiming that we today must go through the work of being baptized for the remission of our sins in the face of, and contradiction of, scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-9 — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. If our sins were not done away with on the basis of our faith in the sufficiency in the shed Blood of Christ for our sins, then Paul was dead wrong. I believe he taught precisely what Jesus instructed him to preach as recorded in 1 Cor. 15:1-4.

Nobody has shown anything that legitimately negates this. Some may have tried, but I no longer see the postings of some because of the staunch indifference of some to legitimate discussion and who think that repeating the same old falsehoods somehow makes them truth.

MM

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to place their faith in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Acts 13:38 - Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

Romans 3:24 - being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

It's faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) that brings the remission of sins. (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)

 

[Musicmaster]

Amen! That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to place their faith in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.

I don't completely blame them on account of there being so many false teaching pastors out there who have taught them month after month and year after year the works-based trash they claim to have gotten from the Bible, although most of the modern versions are questionable in many regards, but that's another topic entirely.

It's also a natural inclination for the flesh to feel as though it has to DO something to help out the poor Blood of Christ, which, as you pointed out, is a lack of faith in the sufficiency to remove from us ALL our sin, which was not available to the ancients on account of the priests having to enter in year after year to offer up sacrifices for the nation and individuals to have to offer up sacrifices for past sins. We are not under that, but many can't seem to get around to what is valid for today by rightly dividing the word of truth.

Amen

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

For those who find it so difficult to believe that we are saved by faith alone:

Ephesians 2:8-9 — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Why some find it so hard to accept that one statement above and others throughout, which completely leave no room for any requirement for water baptism as the means for remission of sins for those of us who are of the body of Christ today under Paul's gospel. Why this is so hard for some to grasp, rooted in them failing to rightly divide the word of truth, that they don't recognize the dichotomies in their belief system for salvation, that leaves them sharing "another gospel," thus their being accursed according to the scriptures.

Fortunately, most of them are not trying to share that other gospel with unbelievers since most don't see that as their responsibility, even though their churchianity organization wants them bringing in more people under that umbrella of a confused gospel message that intermixes different truths not meant for us today, along with the many other confusing and antithetical doctrines taught within modern churchianity rooted in legalism.

Unfortunately, they come along and pit God's word against itself by pointing at truths meant for other dispensations as if they are to be added to ours, and then deny the confusions they harbor within their uncritical thinking minds. Such a shame indeed to be an accursed group of individuals.

MM

 

[GWH]

I fail to see how these 3 verses address the issue of your extreme surmising on post# 907.

Also, what am I surmising about???

You are surmising that I am wrong to see the transition from the OT to the NT occurring in Acts 16:31-34, where Paul told the jailer to believe in the Lord Jesus in order to be saved, NOT to believe and be WB in order to be saved, then in Acts 17:30-34 Paul told the Athenians to repent, which some did, but whether they were WB is not mentioned, then in Acts 19:1-6 Paul encountered some disciples of John who had been WB but had not been taught about SB, so they received SB when Paul placed his hands on them, and then in Acts 26:16-18, when Paul recounted his calling to King Agrippa, he quoted Jesus as saying, "I am sending you to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me." WB was not mentioned, which continued to be the case in Paul's epistles.

 

[Ouch]

For those who find it so difficult to believe that we are saved by faith alone:

Ephesians 2:8-9 — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Why some find it so hard to accept that one statement above and others throughout, which completely leave no room for any requirement for water baptism as the means for remission of sins for those of us who are of the body of Christ today under Paul's gospel. Why this is so hard for some to grasp, rooted in them failing to rightly divide the word of truth, that they don't recognize the dichotomies in their belief system for salvation, that leaves them sharing "another gospel," thus their being accursed according to the scriptures.

Fortunately, most of them are not trying to share that other gospel with unbelievers since most don't see that as their responsibility, even though their churchianity organization wants them bringing in more people under that umbrella of a confused gospel message that intermixes different truths not meant for us today, along with the many other confusing and antithetical doctrines taught within modern churchianity rooted in legalism.

Unfortunately, they come along and pit God's word against itself by pointing at truths meant for other dispensations as if they are to be added to ours, and then deny the confusions they harbor within their uncritical thinking minds. Such a shame indeed to be an accursed group of individuals.

MM

We are saved by grace, the reason I don't believe faith alone is because it's not bible.

It's a part of being reborn, so I ask you faith in what?

I don't care what you think, HIS word is clear.

Why don't people follow what Peter said we have to do?

Acts 2:37-41
King James Version
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Why all did he tell them they have to be baptized and the Holy Ghost is a promise to ALL?

Why didn't he say just faith?

Now if you want to convince me faith alone include the book of Acts and I will believe you.

How many times does it have to be said?

PAUL IS SPEAKING TO HIS CHURCH NOT THE UNSAVED!!!!

Ephesians 1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

In Acts 19

Acts 19
King James Version
19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

WHY DIDN'T PAUL SAY YOU JUST NEED FAITH?

WHY DIDN'T PETER SAY YOU JUST NEED FAITH?

For starters, because JESUS told them this,

Matthew 28:19
King James Version
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

JESUS didn't tell them to go and spread faith.

Satan's plan, keep them out of the water, if they get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

FYI, I LOVE the verse you share, YOU DON'T LIKE OR AGREE WITH THE ONES I SHARE.

Do you think that's a problem?

How many gospel's are there?

 

[Musicmaster]

If we could ever lose our salvation, then we have ALL lost it. It's already gone, for we ALL have continued to sin. That's the burden over which we groan in this life, but at the exclusion of the false teaching of salvation lost.

MM

 

[mailmandan]

If we could ever lose our salvation, then we have ALL lost it. It's already gone, for we ALL have continued to sin. That's the burden over which we groan in this life, but at the exclusion of the false teaching of salvation lost.

MM

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

 

[Musicmaster]

Salvation is not probation.
Eternal life is not temporary life.
Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

Well said.

Additionally, that the "loss of salvation" gang never, and I mean never, have yet exhibited any ability to show to anyone that imaginary line over which one must cross to lose his salvation. It's always just the claim with absolutely no substance behind it. They tuck tail and run, pretending as if they have won the day when in fact they only looked vastly more foolish than before they started typing.

MM

 

[Ouch]

If we could ever lose our salvation, then we have ALL lost it. It's already gone, for we ALL have continued to sin. That's the burden over which we groan in this life, but at the exclusion of the false teaching of salvation lost.

MM

Yea we can, we can't get reborn and think we can go back to our own lifestyle and expect JESUS to accept us in our inss.

After we are reborn, belive, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and JESUS fills us with HIMSELF the Holy Ghost then all we need to do is confess our sins to him and he will forgive us.

After we sin if we don't repent and confess them they are still on us.

1 John 1,

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[LightBearer316]

Some common sayings among many believers are:

“There's only one gospel throughout all the Bible, and so everyone is saved in the exact same way.”
“Jesus, along with His 12 apostles, and along with Paul, all preached the same gospel message.”
“All that happened was Paul came along later and continued Peter's ministry gospel and ministry, but to the Gentiles.”

Those claims sound very biblical to many, but are the assumptions behind these claims correct?

1. To whom did Jesus and His 12 disciples preach?
2. What was their gospel message?
3. Paul was the apostle to....whom?
4. What was Paul's gospel that he preached?

Please share your thoughts on these questions.

MM

That’s a great question. Scripture shows that while there’s only one true gospel — salvation by grace through faith in Christ — God revealed it in stages and through different ministries.

Jesus and the Twelve preached “the gospel of the kingdom” primarily to Israel, calling them to repentance and faith in their promised Messiah (Matthew 10:5–7; Mark 1:14–15). Their message looked forward to the cross — the King had come, and His kingdom was near.

Paul, however, was specially called as the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13). His message centered on the finished work of Christ — His death, burial, and resurrection for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1–4). That’s the full revelation of the same saving grace God always planned.

So yes, there’s one gospel, but distinct audiences and stages in its unfolding:

• The Kingdom gospel to Israel (before the cross).
• The Gospel of grace to all nations (after the cross).
  “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” — 1 Timothy 2:5
  
  The Gospel of Grace revealed to Paul is indeed the great mystery that Gentiles are now grafted into God’s plan of salvation. What was once hidden is now made known — that both Jew and Gentile are made one body in Christ through faith alone (Ephesians 3:5–6).
  
  We’ve been grafted into the same root of promise (Romans 11:17), not replacing Israel but sharing in the blessing through grace. That’s the beauty of the mystery — salvation by grace through faith, uniting all believers as one new man in Christ Jesus.
  
  Grace and Peace
  
  
  
  
  
  

 

[GWH]

That’s a great question. Scripture shows that while there’s only one true gospel — salvation by grace through faith in Christ — God revealed it in stages and through different ministries.

Jesus and the Twelve preached “the gospel of the kingdom” primarily to Israel, calling them to repentance and faith in their promised Messiah (Matthew 10:5–7; Mark 1:14–15). Their message looked forward to the cross — the King had come, and His kingdom was near.

Paul, however, was specially called as the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13). His message centered on the finished work of Christ — His death, burial, and resurrection for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1–4). That’s the full revelation of the same saving grace God always planned.

So yes, there’s one gospel, but distinct audiences and stages in its unfolding:

• The Kingdom gospel to Israel (before the cross).
• The Gospel of grace to all nations (after the cross).
  “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” — 1 Timothy 2:5
  
  The Gospel of Grace revealed to Paul is indeed the great mystery that Gentiles are now grafted into God’s plan of salvation. What was once hidden is now made known — that both Jew and Gentile are made one body in Christ through faith alone (Ephesians 3:5–6).
  
  We’ve been grafted into the same root of promise (Romans 11:17), not replacing Israel but sharing in the blessing through grace. That’s the beauty of the mystery — salvation by grace through faith, uniting all believers as one new man in Christ Jesus.
  
  Grace and Peace

Yes, Ephesians 2:11-3:11 reveals God's peace plan for the world.

And let us not neglect 1 Timothy 2:3b-4 & 6a: "God our Savior wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth... Jesus gave himself as a ransom for all men." You will find that this is needed as an antidote to the tulip people around here. Welcome!

 

[Musicmaster]

That’s a great question. Scripture shows that while there’s only one true gospel — salvation by grace through faith in Christ — God revealed it in stages and through different ministries.

Jesus and the Twelve preached “the gospel of the kingdom” primarily to Israel, calling them to repentance and faith in their promised Messiah (Matthew 10:5–7; Mark 1:14–15). Their message looked forward to the cross — the King had come, and His kingdom was near.

Paul, however, was specially called as the apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13). His message centered on the finished work of Christ — His death, burial, and resurrection for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1–4). That’s the full revelation of the same saving grace God always planned.

So yes, there’s one gospel, but distinct audiences and stages in its unfolding:

• The Kingdom gospel to Israel (before the cross).
• The Gospel of grace to all nations (after the cross).
  “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” — 1 Timothy 2:5
  
  The Gospel of Grace revealed to Paul is indeed the great mystery that Gentiles are now grafted into God’s plan of salvation. What was once hidden is now made known — that both Jew and Gentile are made one body in Christ through faith alone (Ephesians 3:5–6).
  
  We’ve been grafted into the same root of promise (Romans 11:17), not replacing Israel but sharing in the blessing through grace. That’s the beauty of the mystery — salvation by grace through faith, uniting all believers as one new man in Christ Jesus.
  
  Grace and Peace
  
  
  
  
  

Perhaps speaking of "different gospels" on my part is considered the error in the minds of others, but let's look at what Paul had to say on the subject:

Galatians 1:8-9 — But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Given that Paul clearly acknowledges that there are other gospels, which means that there were other messages of good news that, if preached to the body of Christ under Pauls preaching, the preachers of those "other gospels" are to be accursed. This is inescapable. Where it is true that the other gospels had similar elements to the gospel preached by Paul to the body of Christ, the elements within those other gospels differ from Paul's gospel message in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. The Kingdom Gospel required works, where Paul's gospel excluded works, requiring nothing of any work under the Gospel of Grace.

Thanks for your post.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Interesting thought:

Paul had no problems with anyone preaching his gospel to the body of Christ. See Gal.. 8:1-9. What Paul took issues with was when the Judaisers from Jerusalem brought and preached the Kingdom Gospel to the body of Christ under red Paul's Gospel of Grace. The Kingdom Gospel required works and endurance and conformance to the Mosaic Law and circumcision, where the Gospel of Grace upheld no such requirements.

Acts 21:20 — And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:

Israel continued, then, in their adherence to the Law, and so it was only natural that some in Jerusalem wanted to share that with Gentiles, thinking that Paul was in error for NOT upholding the Law within the ranks of the Gentiles to whom Paul preached. All we need to do is read the next verse:

Acts 21:21 — And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

Yes. Paul therefore did indeed preach to the Jews among the Gentiles that works of the Law are no longer binding upon the body of Christ. To the Messianic Jews in Jerusalem, that was indeed a matter of forsaking the Law of Moses considering that Paul taught that we are dead to the Law and many other negations Paul injected into his preaching that laid to rest the Law of Moses as having any measure of requirement upon the body of Christ.

Given these distinctive, it cannot be denied that the Kingom Gospel was indeed "another gospel" that the body of Christ was to reject to the extent of considering those preaching the Kingom Gospel to the body of Christ were and are to be considered accursed.

MM

 

[LightBearer316]

Perhaps speaking of "different gospels" on my part is considered the error in the minds of others, but let's look at what Paul had to say on the subject:

Galatians 1:8-9 — But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Given that Paul clearly acknowledges that there are other gospels, which means that there were other messages of good news that, if preached to the body of Christ under Pauls preaching, the preachers of those "other gospels" are to be accursed. This is inescapable. Where it is true that the other gospels had similar elements to the gospel preached by Paul to the body of Christ, the elements within those other gospels differ from Paul's gospel message in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. The Kingdom Gospel required works, where Paul's gospel excluded works, requiring nothing of any work under the Gospel of Grace.

Thanks for your post.

MM

That’s an excellent and thoughtful follow-up — thank you for engaging so carefully with Scripture.

You’re right that Paul is warning against “another gospel” in Galatians 1:8–9 — not that there are valid different gospels, but that there were counterfeit or corrupted versions being preached, especially those that mixed works with grace.

The distinction I was highlighting isn’t between true competing gospels, but rather between the stages of progressive revelation in God’s redemptive plan. The message of salvation has always been by faith in God’s provision — yet the full revelation of that grace was not made known until after the cross and the resurrection.

Before the cross, the “gospel of the kingdom” pointed forward to Israel’s promised Messiah and the coming kingdom (Mark 1:14–15; Matthew 10:5–7). After the cross, the “gospel of grace” fully revealed the mystery — that salvation is offered freely to Jew and Gentile alike through faith in Christ’s finished work (Ephesians 3:2–6; Romans 16:25).

So yes — one true gospel throughout time, but different dispensations in how God revealed and administered it. As you rightly note, Paul’s message in 1 Corinthians 15:1–4 defines that gospel of grace — salvation apart from works, based entirely on the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Grace and peace, brother — thankful for your careful handling of the Word of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

 

[GWH]

Perhaps speaking of "different gospels" on my part is considered the error in the minds of others, but let's look at what Paul had to say on the subject:

Galatians 1:8-9 — But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Given that Paul clearly acknowledges that there are other gospels, which means that there were other messages of good news that, if preached to the body of Christ under Pauls preaching, the preachers of those "other gospels" are to be accursed. This is inescapable. Where it is true that the other gospels had similar elements to the gospel preached by Paul to the body of Christ, the elements within those other gospels differ from Paul's gospel message in 1 Cor. 15:1-4. The Kingdom Gospel required works, where Paul's gospel excluded works, requiring nothing of any work under the Gospel of Grace.

Thanks for your post.

MM

Yes and I am sure what made them objectionable and heretical was a requirement for salvation that contradicted saving faith followed by loving/godly works.

 

[Musicmaster]

That’s an excellent and thoughtful follow-up — thank you for engaging so carefully with Scripture.

You’re right that Paul is warning against “another gospel” in Galatians 1:8–9 — not that there are valid different gospels, but that there were counterfeit or corrupted versions being preached, especially those that mixed works with grace.

The distinction I was highlighting isn’t between true competing gospels, but rather between the stages of progressive revelation in God’s redemptive plan. The message of salvation has always been by faith in God’s provision — yet the full revelation of that grace was not made known until after the cross and the resurrection.

Before the cross, the “gospel of the kingdom” pointed forward to Israel’s promised Messiah and the coming kingdom (Mark 1:14–15; Matthew 10:5–7). After the cross, the “gospel of grace” fully revealed the mystery — that salvation is offered freely to Jew and Gentile alike through faith in Christ’s finished work (Ephesians 3:2–6; Romans 16:25).

So yes — one true gospel throughout time, but different dispensations in how God revealed and administered it. As you rightly note, Paul’s message in 1 Corinthians 15:1–4 defines that gospel of grace — salvation apart from works, based entirely on the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Grace and peace, brother — thankful for your careful handling of the Word of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

I'm afraid I will have to ask you where that text ever even hinted at the other gospel as being corrupt, false or anything akin to being anything but legitimate for those to whom it was intended?

Pauls gospel said nothing about a requirement for water baptism unto the remission of sins in 1 Cor. 15 as did Peter to Israel in Acts 2. The differences are striking and very obvious. Please, if you would, explain these differences. Others keep injecting into those texts things that are not at all stated nor implied. I prefer we all stick strictly to what is actually stated. I'm sure you can appreciate that.

Thanks for your response.

MM