Why are you saying this? Scripture tells, as I have posted, that the blood of Jesus washes our sins through faith in the gospel.
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Why are you saying this? Scripture tells, as I have posted, that the blood of Jesus washes our sins through faith in the gospel.
You are making my point. As in Acts 2, water baptism is for the remission of sins for Israel (sins that were past). These twelve men in Acts 19 are Jewish disciples of John the Baptist.
I believe HIS word.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
There is only ONE GOD his name is JESUS.
If the trinity wasn't invented in the year 325 by the Council of Nicaea every one wouln't be so confused.
There are many more scriptures to back it up.
It is true
So tell me how faith get rid of sins.
You should have a verse that says faith remits sins, remember these are the verse you need to prove wrong.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
They are very clear and the second one Paul obeyed.
Yep you are right the message was for Israel, but did you know that the Samaritans (half Jew half Greek) were grafted in, in Acts 8, and Gentiles (greek) were grafted in, in Acts 10, in Acts 19 they were Jews and Greeks.
Keep in mind JESUS said in,
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
GO INTO ALL NATIONS, not just Israel.
The mystery you are referring to was that the Gentiles were going to be grafted in.
What do you think Peter and his team was thinking when they went to the Gentiles in Acts 10 and the Holy Ghost landed on them????
I bet that was a surprise to them since they were not even allowed to talk to them.
What do you think Peter gave the Gentiles one message and Paul gives another??
You for sure don't like answering questions.
They are still waiting BUT I will add one more.
1. Do you think Paul preached different messages?
2. Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since you have believed?
3. How were YOU baptized?
JESUS said,
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
In this conversation we didn't get past how to get rid of our sins, if we did we could move on to the Holy Ghost.
So now the 4th question did JESUS lie when HE said we have to be born of water and of spirit?
Not according to Scripture!!
-"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." I Corinthians 10:12-13 NKJV
-"Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage." Galatians 5:1 NKJV
-"You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."
Galatians 5:4 NKJV
-"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,"
I Timothy 4:1 NKJV
-"Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me, And saw My works forty years. Therefore I was angry with that generation, And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart, And they have not known My ways.’ So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest.’ " Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."" Hebrews 3:9-15 NKJV
-"Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries." Hebrews 10:23-27 NKJV
-"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins." James 5:19-20 NKJV
-"You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen." II Peter 3:17-18 NKJV
There are many more verses……
So after a person is reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did (key words) HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.
Are you a JESUS disciple?
Then you really thing a person has a license to sin, they can do anything they wish and still go to Heaven. Be a drunker, lie, steal, convent thy neighbor, murder etc.
How sad,
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
You should study out how to be saved, before you think about after.
Acts 15:22-29
The Jerusalem Decree
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
The Jerusalem Decree
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—
25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
Why would you say that to @John146
You didn't end your assumption/accusations with a ?
How sad on your response.
Once again presumptuous
Once again like others you ACCUSE those who believe OSAS believe it's ok to sin all you want and still be saved.
Does it not occur to you that those who believe OSAS believe the following?
Romans 6:1-2
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
They seem to pick and choose the verses to fit their narrative (dogma) and reject all the verses with warning signs.
That's what you assume?
Don't forget we are talking about genuine belivers, those that Jesus said he would not lose anyone given to him by God.
Did you actually read Romans 6?
Did you actually read what I said?
What you just quoted was concerning those 11 while He was on earth; you have to read verses in context, otherwise it’s misconstrued.
Ok, so what do you want me to glean from Rom. 6?
This has no bearing on what I had initially stated. I don’t believe in multiple doctrines (this is heresy according to Scripture). I take it very seriously!! Otherwise anything goes, it flies in the face of reason…..
Actually it does.
You are accusing people who believe in OSAS use this as a license to sin, just like your cohort above.
Paul is saying should we use grace as a licence to sin.
Of course not, it's abhorrent.
Any genuine believers would know that.
Because it's true? Do you think I would lie to him to make him feel good??
Do you really think after we have been reborn it's impossible to sin??
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
As you can see how we get rid of our sins in the first place by being baptized in JESUS name.
This is what I said and shared.
"""So after a person is reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did (key words) HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.
Are you a JESUS disciple?
Then you really thing a person has a license to sin, they can do anything they wish and still go to Heaven. Be a drunker, lie, steal, convent thy neighbor, murder etc.
How sad,
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
You should study out how to be saved, before you think about after."""
What do you think of this verse?
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
If I look at a women, I have committed adultery!!
This is what happens to those who commit adultery,
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Of course you can think anything you like, after we are reborn, believe, repent, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost like HE did (key words) HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4.
Then if I do look at a women in lust I have committed adultery and going to HELL, BUT JESUS gave us a way to get rid of that sin.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
First I need to realize my sin and all I need to do is repent and confess them.
Do you think we need to repent daily? Maybe more than once a day?
So,that means after the resurrection Jesus the following is irrelevant?
John 6:39-40
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Notice raise them up on the last day.
That doesn't just apply to the 11.
Jesus didn't come for just the 11, what about the others who saw him as well and repented?
What about you and me, are we not given to Jesus by God?
Does God know that?
You judge others who believe in OSAS as using grace as a licence to sin.
You are not the judge, God is and he knows the heart.
Night Night.
Could you be more clear, plz. What is OSAS? If it’s not Scriptural then why are you defending them?? And who is my “Cohort”??