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We all make mistakes, but thank you.
I’m aware there is a human doctrine that believes babies are born into sin, but this isn’t what the NT teaches. Please provide verses, perhaps I’m wrong….
Yes, a better way of explaining:
I believe what Jesus was saying about the man being blind at birth wasn’t the cause of his parents’ sin. This doesn’t mean that he or his parents never sinned, it just means it was just to show the power of God.
You are right to say there was only One who never sinned— Jesus.
We all make mistakes, but thank you.
I’m aware there is a human doctrine that believes babies are born into sin, but this isn’t what the NT teaches. Please provide verses, perhaps I’m wrong….
Yes, a better way of explaining:
I believe what Jesus was saying about the man being blind at birth wasn’t the cause of his parents’ sin. This doesn’t mean that he or his parents never sinned, it just means it was just to show the power of God.
You are right to say there was only One who never sinned— Jesus.
We sure do and will.
Are babies born in sin, yes.
We are all born blood line of Adam and Eve, all of their off spring was born AFTER they fell into sin.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
HIS word says FOR ALL have sinned and come short.
There is no scripture stating that babies are born sin free and thay get their sins at a spifice age.
If your saying NT teaches babies are not born in sin, I would like to see those verse because I like to learn as much as the next.
I agree with you 100% with the blind man.
After the cross, do you believe that baptism brings about forgiveness of sins unto salvation?
First I believe what HIS word says.
Not after the cross, but after HE assended the second time in Acts 1:9.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
It is the only way to get rid of sins.
I ask you, how do you think we get rid of sins?
Who is the "ye" referring to in Acts? Is this about eternal salvation or the repentance of a nation to turn to their Messiah they killed? Is this the same message Paul taught to the Gentiles? The blood of Jesus Christ wash sins away. You say water. I say the blood of Jesus.
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Humm, that verse doesn’t say that babies are born into sin. It does mean that all of us (geared to people who are able to discern, who are learning/ reading/hearing) have sinned. Children learn sin…..
Let me ask this—-What happens to babies and young children who die? Do they all go to hell, since they are full of sin?
Every verse that I’ve read concerning “born into sin” is geared to those who are able to read and who have learned to discern right from wrong. Babies and young kids can’t. They are innocent and pure — they hear and learn to imitate good and bad things; although they seem to learn pretty early on, but they don’t fully comprehend what they are doing.
You are right about the latter part. We (the whole world) are all under sin, unless we repent. We’re sinful creatures, but I haven’t read where babies are born with sin. This would mean that Jesus was born with sin. Was He? No!
Some children were born via the sin of their parents (out of wedlock), this would produce children who are unclean.
Baptism is part of the plan of salvation to the Jew as well as the Greek (non-Jew). It’s a command:
Acts
-Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let everyone of you be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift…..(Direct command of God through Peter).
-41 about 3000 people were BAPTIZED.
-8:12, refers to when they heard and believed the things that Philip preached, both men and women were BAPTIZED.
immersion into the water, and refutes sprinkling.
-9:18 This chapter refers to Saul Paul believing and being BAPTIZED.
-And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.…10:48
-Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit. 11:16
-22:16, …arise and be BAPTIZED, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Romans
-Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. 6:3–6
1 Peter 3:21 refers to the antitype that saves us— BAPTISM… to go out and make disciples of all the nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Trinity).
Acts
-Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent, and let everyone of you be BAPTIZED in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift…..(Direct command of God through Peter).
-41 about 3000 people were BAPTIZED.
-8:12, refers to when they heard and believed the things that Philip preached, both men and women were BAPTIZED.
immersion into the water, and refutes sprinkling.
-9:18 This chapter refers to Saul Paul believing and being BAPTIZED.
-And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.…10:48
-Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit. 11:16
-22:16, …arise and be BAPTIZED, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Romans
-Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. For he who has died has been freed from sin. 6:3–6
1 Peter 3:21 refers to the antitype that saves us— BAPTISM… to go out and make disciples of all the nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Trinity).
How about just proving HIS word wrong on how we get rid of our sins.
You know the book of revelation didn't happen yet, so TODAY how do we get rid of our sins TODAY?
How do we apply the blood?
Of course Paul didn't preach a different message.
How does Paul tell us to get rid of sins?
You forgot to anwer this question.
If your saying NT teaches babies are not born in sin, I would like to see those verse because I like to learn as much as the next.
Verse please.
Then I will reply.
It's all about the blood of Jesus Christ. "What can wash away my sin, nothing but the blood of Jesus."
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace
Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Thank you for sharing HIS word.
How do WE get rid of our sins?
Just read those verses?
Faith in his blood, what Christ accomplished through the shedding of his blood on the cross.
The Trinity is the Godhead— God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Surely you know this?
I did answer, but you’re missing it. I never found any verses that say babies are born with sin. This is the answer, therefore we can conclude that they aren’t. You have yet to give me a verse indicating that they are born WITH sin. (?)
The scenarios that I gave are indicative! Babies and young kid that die go to hell? I think not!! They are innocents.
Only God can ultimately forgive sins, except in the sense that a person can forgive a person who sins against them (but even then, the person who has sinned would still need forgiveness from God.)