Going to Hell

[HigherGospel]

My battles aren't with the commoners but the ruling class of this shadowy government.

That's not scriptural at all.

Jesus never taught or instructed His people to do this.

the Bible has hidden messages that only God's elects can interpret.

No, the Holy Spirit reveals the Truth of God's Word to all that forsake this world who go all in for Jesus Christ.

God is not trying to hide revelation knowledgeable

1 Corinthians 2:9-16
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

As we see, it's the carnal minded person that cannot see the things of God.

That's how the movie The Bible code was inspired from.

I'll stick with God's Word and pass on any movies or TV shows they make which all contain false doctrine

But the Bible does mentions about a shadow government that's secretly taking over the world

And yet no where in God's Word are we told to sit around studying the darkness of this world and follow conspiracy theories concerning the darkness of this world.

Real Christians are called out of the darkness in to God's Kingdom

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light

Ya'll excuse me while I reject the conspiracy theory of darkness and enjoy the Lord's marvelous light!

satan may well have become evil and became evil when Moses was walking up the mountain,.or it could have been before it I believe it was before when he Wanted to prove people can turn away from By God by what ever means possible he tries to prove it, doesn't matter to me, you mention theses arguments about what God allows and what he doesn't, well it's unbelievable that people take these matters into there own hands and its dangerous,

Well I'm going to stick with what the Lord teaches in His Word

 

[Jordon]

You for sure did a lot of assuming to come up with your conclusion.

Why are you asking "if a person dies whilst being punished by an evil spirit are they going to heaven"

Describe that person, a card reader or someone who is working for Satan every day?

Did JESUS fill they with the Holy Ghost like HE did HIS disciples in Acts 2:4?

I didn't assume when I said after we are reborn and we leave to our old life (the wilderness) we can't come back.

The story of the prodigal son is an example, I don't just say things I can't back up with HIS word.

After we are reborn and we sin, it could be just a lust full thought!! All we need to do is repent, and confess that sin. 1 John 1:7-9

How is that assuming?

How many times did GOD send an evil spirit to punish you?

That person must be REAL BAD.

I believe your playing games here because for the third time in asking now you still haven't said what you originally said I was assuming, now you've escalated it to conclusions.

The story of periodical son is more like an example of what you shouldn't do, not what you can do when ever you want.

It's more like a story of temptation leading him astray, and it's more of a case of the boy not being filled with the holy spirit before he was.

Only you seem to saying the story of the son applies to people filled with the holy spirit can act in the same way, if they want to.

 

[Jordon]

Well I'm going to stick with what the Lord teaches in His Word

what makes you think I don't ?

Because you think you've worked out when satan became evil Ezekiel was after Moses, and in Ezekiel it mentions evil was found in satan at the time of moses,

But because it doesn't mention before then doesn't mean it wasn't.

So you do not have grounds to see yourself as bigger or higher than me, for this understanding,.your deluded if you think you can.

 

[HigherGospel]

it mentions evil was found in satan at the time of moses,

Er, no. Evil was found in lucifer back when he tried to over throw God which was before the world was even created which was long before Moses ever existed.

It's why God changed his name from lucifer to satan which means adversary

So you do not have grounds to see yourself as bigger or higher than me

I'm talking about what God said in His Word not about your ego and jealousy which you shouldn't even have.

None of this is about us. It's about what God says in His Word.

 

[Ouch]

I believe your playing games here because for the third time in asking now you still haven't said what you originally said I was assuming, now you've escalated it to conclusions.

The story of periodical son is more like an example of what you shouldn't do, not what you can do when ever you want.

It's more like a story of temptation leading him astray, and it's more of a case of the boy not being filled with the holy spirit before he was.

Only you seem to saying the story of the son applies to people filled with the holy spirit can act in the same way, if they want to.

I'm not imply nothing, and I sure am not a game player.

You did a lot of assuming and came to a conclusion that you liked.

 

[Jordon]

Er, no. Evil was found in lucifer back when he tried to over throw God which was before the world was even created which was long before Moses ever existed.

It's why God changed his name from lucifer to satan which means adversary





I'm talking about what God said in His Word not about your ego and jealousy which you shouldn't even have.

None of this is about us. It's about what God says in His Word. View attachment 283582

you seem to have issues with your understanding being higher in every regard, revalation makes reference that Lucifer because satan when Jesus was born, does it make it right, I don't know

Satan can be used as an understanding of evil being evil, for instance theres no clear proof satan was in the garden of eden, because of other understandings challenging that belief

Or for instance Lucifer could be called satan even tho he wasn't called satan at that time.

 

[Jordon]

I'm not imply nothing, and I sure am not a game player.

You did a lot of assuming and came to a conclusion that you liked.

4 times in asking what assumption did I make ?

Explain why it was an assumption,..

 

[Jordon]

Oops edit @HigherGospel

you seem to have issues with your understanding being higher in every regard, revalation makes reference that Lucifer became satan when Jesus was born, does it make it right, I don't know

Satan can be used as an understanding of evil being evil, for instance theres no clear proof satan was in the garden of eden, because of other understandings challenging that belief

Or for instance Lucifer could be called satan even tho he wasn't called satan at that time.

 

[Jordon]

Er,




I'm talking about what God said in His Word not about your ego and jealousy which you shouldn't even have.

None of this is about us. It's about what God says in His Word. View attachment 283582

ego and jealously ? Can you prove that I have jealousy towards you

Why would I be Jelouse of you ?

 

[Ouch]

4 times in asking what assumption did I make ?

Explain why it was an assumption,..

This was your statement, everything in bold is assumptions.


So the story of soul I was told was God speaking to him one minute and the next he wasnt, in his mind he was tormented because his son David was having to play music to him to calm him, whilst he was being tormented by the evil spirit that tormented him, sent by God

Now theres many directions this understanding can go in

Was God allowing David to comfort him whilst he was being punished

Was Saul in a such a tormented state that actually he wasn't just being tormented, but actually being told he was going to hell and even being made to see a picture of hell.

Well for that understanding you need to understand that many people are made to see a picture of hell by his word, especially in the wicked .they will be tormented by it, and torment is definitely a state of living hell according to the richman and Lazarus.

All tho you could look at it as Hades and death gave up the dead that where in it, as they where dead, before they where gave up, which means they where not being tormented before they where given up.

Which could imply that the richman and lazarus is actually implying a living state of hell in the conscience whilst a person is alive in the flesh.

Hope this helped.

 

[Jordon]

This was your statement, everything in bold is assumptions.


So the story of soul I was told was God speaking to him one minute and the next he wasnt, in his mind he was tormented because his son David was having to play music to him to calm him, whilst he was being tormented by the evil spirit that tormented him, sent by God

Now theres many directions this understanding can go in

Was God allowing David to comfort him whilst he was being punished

Was Saul in a such a tormented state that actually he wasn't just being tormented, but actually being told he was going to hell and even being made to see a picture of hell.

Well for that understanding you need to understand that many people are made to see a picture of hell by his word, especially in the wicked .they will be tormented by it, and torment is definitely a state of living hell according to the richman and Lazarus.

All tho you could look at it as Hades and death gave up the dead that where in it, as they where dead, before they where gave up, which means they where not being tormented before they where given up.

Which could imply that the richman and lazarus is actually implying a living state of hell in the conscience whilst a person is alive in the flesh.

Hope this helped.

ok your still not going to explain why this is an assumption 5 times in asking

Where done,

 

[Jordon]

I'm not imply nothing, and I sure am not a game player.

You did a lot of assuming and came to a conclusion that you liked.

I Samuel 16:14

You tell me how this would not be a living Hell for somebody

You tell me how this is not the lord stopping speaking to him.

1 Samuel 16:15

Tell me me how this isn't David playing music to Sooth him


Tell me how this doesn't apply to other people of today


Tell me how anybodies free will matters when this is happening


You won't because your the one assuming

 

[Ouch]

I Samuel 16:14

You tell me how this would not be a living Hell for somebody

You tell me how this is not the lord stopping speaking to him.

1 Samuel 16:15

Tell me me how this isn't David playing music to Sooth him


Tell me how this doesn't apply to other people of today


Tell me how anybodies free will matters when this is happening


You won't because your the one assuming

How can I tell you it's not true when it's in HIS WORD???

WE HAVE FREE WILL, JESUS can do anything HE likes HE'S GOD.

How can I tell you what went on between JESUS and saul, I was NOT THERE.

JESUS MUST HAD HIS REASONS.

Have you been baptized in JESUS name, has HE filled you with HIS spirit?

How about think of yourself and stay on the good side of JESUS, have you been reborn?

Repented, baptized in JESUS name and JESUS filled you with HIS spirit?

 

[Jordon]

I Samuel 16:14

You tell me how this would not be a living Hell for somebody

You tell me how this is not the lord stopping speaking to him.

1 Samuel 16:15

Tell me me how this isn't David playing music to Sooth him


Tell me how this doesn't apply to other people of today


Tell me how anybodies free will matters when this is happening


You won't because your the one assuming

none of this answers why you say I have made assumptions,

All this does is focus on me

I've been baptised I go to church and I believe in my heart, and I also believe the lord is in my heart.

Now you've failed to address your accusations again , and once again you sailed right past the truth,

Mans will lives in the flesh,

Not mans choice or will save saves a person, hope saves a person, it is in hope a person is saved, not will or choice, hope,

God saves a person, and its by living hope in a person that gives them hope.

Hope comes first belief comes afterwards

Hebrews 11:1

We are saved in living hope

1 Peter 1:3

Romans 15:13

Now if you could do some acknowledging of your own That would be good, but I doubt it.

 

[Jordon]

I Samuel 16:14

You tell me how this would not be a living Hell for somebody

You tell me how this is not the lord stopping speaking to him.

1 Samuel 16:15

Tell me me how this isn't David playing music to Sooth him


Tell me how this doesn't apply to other people of today


Tell me how anybodies free will matters when this is happening


You won't because your the one assuming

none of this answers why you say I have made assumptions,

All this does is focus on me

I've been baptised I go to church and I believe in my heart, and I also believe the lord is in my heart.

Now you've failed to address your accusations again , and once again you sailed right past the truth,

Mans will lives in the flesh,

Not mans choice or will save saves a person, hope saves a person, it is in hope a person is saved, not will or choice, hope,

God saves a person, and its by living hope in a person that gives them hope.

Hope comes first belief comes afterwards

Hebrews 11:1

We are saved in living hope

1 Peter 1:3

Romans 15:13

Now if you could do some acknowledging of your own That would be good, but I doubt it.

 

[tourist]

If God's Word isn't good enough for ya, then you might want to not look at my posts going forward.

God's word is definitely good enough for me. There is a lot of good in your posts, but I just take exception on the insults of other members who may not agree with your views and perceptions.

 

[HigherGospel]

theres no clear proof satan was in the garden of eden

Or for instance Lucifer could be called satan even tho he wasn't called satan at that time

satan means adversary which is what God changed lucifer's name to after lucifer tried to over throw God and become ruler over God.

I just take exception on the insults of other members who may not agree with your views and perceptions.

Then you'd better not read the things Jesus and the Apostles said to those who claimed to be speaking in behalf of the Lord but were actually speaking in behalf of the devil as to mislead others.

 

[Jordon]

View attachment 283617





satan means adversary which is what God changed lucifer's name to after lucifer tried to over throw God and become ruler over God.





Then you'd better not read the things Jesus and the Apostles said to those who claimed to be speaking in behalf of the Lord but were actually speaking in behalf of the devil as to mislead others.

Yep there's millions of people all saying get behind me satan, that's a whole lot of adversaries, in a nutshell when your on the road to knowing what other people know, it's best to Know you don't know what everyone means by there knowing, it stops you from going nutty in your shell

Fingers crossed for you

 

[HigherGospel]

Yep there's millions of people all saying get behind me satan, that's a whole lot of adversaries, in a nutshell when your on the road to knowing what other people know, it's best to Know you don't know what everyone means by there knowing

That's where you do err badly.

Hopefully you'll grow up someday and understand that it's only God's point of view that matters.

It matters not what millions of people think.

 

[Jordon]

That's where you do err badly.

Hopefully you'll grow up someday and understand that it's only God's point of view that matters.

It matters not what millions of people think.

err I was taking about all the Christians who will all say get behind me satan, because a satan is thought of as an evil spirit,

Which you fail to recognise could have been how the serpent went, and was described that way, the animal that was more crafty than any other animal, probably ate of tree of knowledge before Adam and eve did. And then became a satan.

Anyhoo you can rule it out if you want, nobody can fully agree on the story of Adam and eve, and nobody should be expected to.