Gods Ten Commandments

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yes Jesus did promote the Ten Commandments, you know this very well but refuse this truth.

Jesus upheld them, taught them, and deepened them.

When a rich young ruler asked Him about eternal life, Jesus answered plainly, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments,” and then He listed several of the Ten Commandments: do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:17–19). He did not replace them. He confirmed them.

In the Sermon on the Mount He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets… till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law” (Matthew 5:17–18). Then He showed their true depth. He said anger in the heart breaks the command not to murder. He said lust in the heart breaks the command not to commit adultery (Matthew 5:21–28). He did not lower the standard. He raised it to the heart.

He also said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). Love and obedience go together.

So yes, He spoke about faithfulness. Yes, He spoke about love. But He never separated love from obedience. The commandments show what love looks like in action.

Without love, obedience becomes empty.

But without obedience, love becomes empty words.
God spoke the ten at Mt Sinai.

Those ten became the law given at Mt Sinai.

We are not under that law and the Gentiles were never under the law, unless they were circumcised.

The text is very clear that the Gentiles only needed faith.

Here is what Jesus said.

Luke 7:50
And He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

Romans 1:17
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,
“But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
 
For example, love is one of the fruits of the Spirit and everything in the Law of God is either in regard to how to love God or our neighbor, so the Spirit leads us to love is not doing something other than leading us to obey the Law of God. The Law of God does not cause us to love, but rather it describes the life of someone who loves God and their neighbor. What causes us to love is faith in Jesus. It is contradictory to have faith in God's Word made flesh instead of in God's Word.
On the contrary, we receive the Holy Spirit from the Lord.

The Holy Spirit bears the fruit in us.

The law bears the knowledge of sin and nothing else.

The law does not grant any righteousness.

Ultimately, righteousness is received as a gift and that is that gift is perfect righteousness of the Christ.

The law was given to Israel and never to the Gentiles.

You need to check the text Soyeong; a Gentile must sojourn in Israel and be circumcised.

In order to celebrate the Passover or to offer a sacrifice.
 
yes Jesus did promote the Ten Commandments, you know this very well but refuse this truth.

Jesus upheld them, taught them, and deepened them.

When a rich young ruler asked Him about eternal life, Jesus answered plainly, “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments,” and then He listed several of the Ten Commandments: do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:17–19). He did not replace them. He confirmed them.

In the Sermon on the Mount He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets… till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law” (Matthew 5:17–18). Then He showed their true depth. He said anger in the heart breaks the command not to murder. He said lust in the heart breaks the command not to commit adultery (Matthew 5:21–28). He did not lower the standard. He raised it to the heart.

He also said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). Love and obedience go together.

So yes, He spoke about faithfulness. Yes, He spoke about love. But He never separated love from obedience. The commandments show what love looks like in action.

Without love, obedience becomes empty.

But without obedience, love becomes empty words.
To the Jews in the gospels Jesus promoted the law and at a much deeper level.

You fail to understand that the Gentiles were never under the law.

The "commandments" are not the written ten commandments.

The ten commandments are the law spoken at Mt Sinai.

Gentiles were not the covenant people at Horeb.

Not coveting your neighbor's ox is not love in action.

1 Corinthians 13:4
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant.
 
On the contrary, we receive the Holy Spirit from the Lord.

The Holy Spirit bears the fruit in us.

The law bears the knowledge of sin and nothing else.

The law does not grant any righteousness.

Ultimately, righteousness is received as a gift and that is that gift is perfect righteousness of the Christ.

The law was given to Israel and never to the Gentiles.

You need to check the text Soyeong; a Gentile must sojourn in Israel and be circumcised.

In order to celebrate the Passover or to offer a sacrifice.
Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits such as with unrighteousness being sin, and sin is the transgression of the Law of God because it was given in to teach us how to embody God's character traits. God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirit, which is why the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it (Ezekiel 36:26-27). The Law of God was never given as a way of becoming righteous, but rather it was given to describe the life of someone who is righteous as it describes the life of Christ, so it is what we are getting to become a doer of by being given the gift of righteousness.

If the Law off God was never meant to be followed by Gentiles, then Gentiles would not walk in the Spirit, would have no need to refrain from sin, would have no need for salvation from sin, would have no need for the Gospel message, would have no need of grace, would have no need of faith, would have no need for righteousness, and would have no need for Jesus to have given himself to redeem us from all lawlessness.
 
To the Jews in the gospels Jesus promoted the law and at a much deeper level.

You fail to understand that the Gentiles were never under the law.

The "commandments" are not the written ten commandments.

The ten commandments are the law spoken at Mt Sinai.

Gentiles were not the covenant people at Horeb.

Not coveting your neighbor's ox is not love in action.

1 Corinthians 13:4
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant.
I think there is no point discussing the covenant ( the Ten Commandments) with you. Jesus was clear as what one must to to have eternal life , to keep the commandments, very simple, it changes someone's life for the better certainly and they are NOT a burden. they were never replaced, it is the law of Moses that was temporary not the Ten Commandments, we have discussed this already at length and you will not change it is your choice. I just wish I could help you understand.
 
Addressing this specific point, James wrote,

James 2:8-11 KJV
8) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you break one, you've broken all. For examples, James gives two from the 10 commandments, and 2 from elsewhere in the Law, showing you cannot separate the 10 commandments from the rest of the Law.

God's covenant with Israel was for their complete obedience,

Exodus 19:5-8 KJV
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7) And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8) And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Not just 10 commands, but "all that the LORD hath spoken", that is,

Matthew 7:12 KJV
12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 22:40 KJV
40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If your aim is to keep the Law of God as specified in the OT, you are required to do all things written in the Law and the Prophets. All of it.

Much love!
 
I think there is no point discussing the covenant ( the Ten Commandments) with you. Jesus was clear as what one must to to have eternal life , to keep the commandments, very simple, it changes someone's life for the better certainly and they are NOT a burden. they were never replaced, it is the law of Moses that was temporary not the Ten Commandments, we have discussed this already at length and you will not change it is your choice. I just wish I could help you understand.


You know why they don't or won't understand.


🕊
 
Addressing this specific point, James wrote,

James 2:8-11 KJV
8) If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9) But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

If you break one, you've broken all. For examples, James gives two from the 10 commandments, and 2 from elsewhere in the Law, showing you cannot separate the 10 commandments from the rest of the Law.

God's covenant with Israel was for their complete obedience,

Exodus 19:5-8 KJV
5) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6) And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7) And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8) And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

Not just 10 commands, but "all that the LORD hath spoken", that is,

Matthew 7:12 KJV
12) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 22:40 KJV
40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If your aim is to keep the Law of God as specified in the OT, you are required to do all things written in the Law and the Prophets. All of it.

Much love!
In James 2:1-11, he was calling them to repent from showing favoritism, not giving them the option to either live in obedience to all of the Law of God or to live in compete disobedience to it.
 
In James 2:1-11, he was calling them to repent from showing favoritism, not giving them the option to either live in obedience to all of the Law of God or to live in compete disobedience to it.
He demonstrated that even breaking a command not included in the 10 commandments still makes you a lawbreaker just the same. You cannot divide the Law - all of it - into sections, like, "the moral law" that you must keep today, and "the ceremonial law" that you don't have to keep today. James disallows that notion.

Whether the 10 commandments or any other commandments, they are all one thing, God's commands to Israel.

I agree, James is not saying you have the option to either live in total obedience or total disobedience. He is stating that if you disobey one command, any one of them, you have become "Disobedient". A Law Breaker.

Much love!
 
You know why they don't or won't understand.


🕊
yes I do know but they don't realize the end is near and there is not much time. I'm like that always want to help, its a problem for me. Tell me I wonder what could I write about next , need ideas for a new thread, in your opinion what topic is the most urgent? ill write something, if you have ideas let me know.

Blessings sister.
 
He demonstrated that even breaking a command not included in the 10 commandments still makes you a lawbreaker just the same. You cannot divide the Law - all of it - into sections, like, "the moral law" that you must keep today, and "the ceremonial law" that you don't have to keep today. James disallows that notion.

Whether the 10 commandments or any other commandments, they are all one thing, God's commands to Israel.

I agree, James is not saying you have the option to either live in total obedience or total disobedience. He is stating that if you disobey one command, any one of them, you have become "Disobedient". A Law Breaker.

Much love!
The Bible does use categories such as the mishpatim, chukkim, and edot, but I agree that they do not correspond to the categories of ceremonial, civil, and moral law, and that they are not categorized based on whether or not we have to keep them. We do have the freedom to create whatever categories we want and to decide for ourselves which laws we think best fit into our categories in order to help us to better conceptualize them, but we should not interpret the authors of the Bible as if they had in mind a set of laws that we created. There is not a single person who was required to obey every single law and not even Jesus obeyed the laws in regard to giving birth or to having a period, but that did not make him a lawbreaker, so there are legitimate reasons for now following certain laws when their conditions are not met and James was only speaking against illegitimate ones. If someone becomes a lawbreaker, then that just means that they need to repent, which is what James was encouraging them to do.
 
The Bible does use categories such as the mishpatim, chukkim, and edot, but I agree that they do not correspond to the categories of ceremonial, civil, and moral law, and that they are not categorized based on whether or not we have to keep them. We do have the freedom to create whatever categories we want and to decide for ourselves which laws we think best fit into our categories in order to help us to better conceptualize them, but we should not interpret the authors of the Bible as if they had in mind a set of laws that we created. There is not a single person who was required to obey every single law and not even Jesus obeyed the laws in regard to giving birth or to having a period, but that did not make him a lawbreaker, so there are legitimate reasons for now following certain laws when their conditions are not met and James was only speaking against illegitimate ones. If someone becomes a lawbreaker, then that just means that they need to repent, which is what James was encouraging them to do.
I don't want it missed that within this passage James gives a clear and certain definition of the Law as being all the commandments of God given to Israel, and not only the 10 commandments, and that you cannot separate any of them from the rest as being not neccesary to be obeyed.

There are those who say, "Even as Christians we are bound to keep the 'moral law', but not the rest", James shows this to be invalid.

Naturally Jesus wouldn't have given the purification offerings a woman would offer, not being a woman. Just the same, if a woman today were to say she were under the Law, she would be required to give those offerings. The problem is, there is no temple/altar upon which to make such an offering, and no Levite to bring it to. So this Law is impossible to be kept, and yet remains just as important as the law against murder. And that's a problem!

It's a wonderful thing that in Jesus, having died and risen in Him, we are not under that Law, and are instead under the Law of Love, AKA the Law of Christ.

We live according to His will for us individually at any given moment. There is no written Law that is capable of such a high standard of living.

Much love!
 
I don't want it missed that within this passage James gives a clear and certain definition of the Law as being all the commandments of God given to Israel, and not only the 10 commandments, and that you cannot separate any of them from the rest as being not neccesary to be obeyed.

There are those who say, "Even as Christians we are bound to keep the 'moral law', but not the rest", James shows this to be invalid.
The existence of the subcategory of moral law would imply that we can be acting morally while disobeying the laws that are not in that category, however, there are no examples in the Bible where disobedience to any of God's laws is referred to as being moral and I see no justification for thinking that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to embody God's character traits, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators given laws in accordance with their understanding of what ought to be done, so for someone to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.

Naturally Jesus wouldn't have given the purification offerings a woman would offer, not being a woman. Just the same, if a woman today were to say she were under the Law, she would be required to give those offerings. The problem is, there is no temple/altar upon which to make such an offering, and no Levite to bring it to. So this Law is impossible to be kept, and yet remains just as important as the law against murder. And that's a problem!

It's a wonderful thing that in Jesus, having died and risen in Him, we are not under that Law, and are instead under the Law of Love, AKA the Law of Christ.

We live according to His will for us individually at any given moment. There is no written Law that is capable of such a high standard of living.

Much love!
It is not a transgression of the Law of God to not follow laws that don't have their conditions met. For example, the Israelites were given a number of laws that had the condition "when you enter the land..." while they were still wandering the wilderness for 40 years. Likewise, when the Israelites were exiled to Babylon after the destruction of the 1st Temple, then the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Law of God, which contains laws in regard to Temple practice, so when there are laws that don't have their conditions met, then we should nevertheless be faithful to obey the laws that we can obey.

Everything in the Law of Moses is either in regard to how to love God or how to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so it is the Law of Love AKA the Law of Christ and the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey the commandments that hang on them. God is sovereign, so we all under His law, which is indeed a wonderful thing:

Psalm 19:7-11
The law of the Lord is perfect,
reviving the soul;
the testimony of the Lord is sure,
making wise the simple;
8 the precepts of the Lord are right,
rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the Lord is pure,
enlightening the eyes;
9 the fear of the Lord is clean,
enduring forever;
the rules of the Lord are true,
and righteous altogether.
10 More to be desired are they than gold,
even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey
and drippings of the honeycomb.
11 Moreover, by them is your servant warned;
in keeping them there is great reward.