GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[trofimus]

Seems the words directrly from the mouth of the Most High say different:

No, you just have a problem understanding of what, when and to whom was said.

 

[Hizikyah]

there is no such thing as "Jewish Sabbath"

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

well, since Sabbath was given at Sinai, and only the jews were there, and gentile converts had to be circumcised , and those two , along with dietary laws were given to keep Israel separate from the nations of cannan , and Sabbath was not commanded anywhere DIRECTLY in the N.T., calling the Sabbath jewish is fine.

So the passage you quoted of my quote directly says, by the mouth of the Most High Himself the 7th day Sabbath is for Gentiles also, to reject this is to reject YHWH's word.

Not only jews were at Sinani/Mt Horeb:

Exodus 12:37-40, “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38, And a *mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 39, And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 40, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”


The words “*mixed multitude” are words:


H6154 - עֶרֶב עֵרֶב - ‛êreb ‛ereb, ay'-reb, eh'-reb, The second form used in 1 Kings 10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a mixture, (or mongrel race):—Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude)

well, since Sabbath was given at Sinai, and only the jews were there, and gentile converts had to be circumcised , and those two , along with dietary laws were given to keep Israel separate from the nations of cannan , and Sabbath was not commanded anywhere DIRECTLY in the N.T., calling the Sabbath jewish is fine.

Hebrews 4 in my post above and this

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

 

[Hizikyah]

No, you just have a problem understanding of what, when and to whom was said.

OK, sure...

Isaiah 56:1-7, “...Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Also if there is a different way for Jew and Gentile YHWH is not fair and even. There is only one way.

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”



1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

 

[trofimus]

OK, sure...

Isaiah 56:1-7, “...Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Also if there is a different way for Jew and Gentile YHWH is not fair and even. There is only one way.

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”



1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore cleanse out the old leaven, so that you are a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Messiah our Passover was offered for us. So then let us observe the festival, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

The fact that some gentiles could join Israel does not change anything on the fact that the Law was given to Israel.

The US law is irrelevant to me, being an European. If I will move to the USA, it will be relevant to me.

 

[Hizikyah]

The fact that some gentiles could join Israel does not change anything on the fact that the Law was given to Israel.

The US law is irrelevant to me, being an European. If I will move to the USA, it will be relevant to me.

So Israylies have to not steal and not kill, but Gentiles are free to steal and kill? Bad doctrine there. and if you say only laws binding are NT laws that is also false, most of the NT are letters to different places, so then there would be differnt laws for different cities...

All in Messiah are Israyl:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]

 

[trofimus]

So Israylies have to not steal and not kill, but Gentiles are free to steal and kill?

Not to steal and not to kill is not only in the Moses' Law.

For example, I am sure you have it in your "gentile USA law" too. I am pretty sure Chinese or Japanese have it too.

 

[gb9]

So the passage you quoted of my quote directly says, by the mouth of the Most High Himself the 7th day Sabbath is for Gentiles also, to reject this is to reject YHWH's word.

Not only jews were at Sinani/Mt Horeb:

Exodus 12:37-40, “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. 38, And a *mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle. 39, And they baked unleavened cakes of the dough which they brought forth out of Egypt, for it was not leavened; because they were thrust out of Egypt, and could not tarry, neither had they prepared for themselves any victual. 40, Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years.”


The words “*mixed multitude” are words:


H6154 - עֶרֶב עֵרֶב - ‛êreb ‛ereb, ay'-reb, eh'-reb, The second form used in 1 Kings 10:15 with the article prefixed); from H6148; the web (or transverse threads of cloth); also a mixture, (or mongrel race):—Arabia, mingled people, mixed (multitude)



Hebrews 4 in my post above and this

Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

did you miss where I said gentile converts. God gave instructions to non-jews ( and it shall be the same for strangers among you ). God's O.T. instuctions to Israel were centered on Israel. not the gentiles. that is why Christ was said to be a light to the gentiles, not a law.

 

[Hizikyah]

Not to steal and not to kill is not only in the Moses' Law.

For example, I am sure you have it in your "gentile USA law" too. I am pretty sure Chinese or Japanese have it too.

It is YHWH's Law. The only standard.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]judgment seat” is word #G968 - béma: a step, raised place, by impl. A tribunal, Original Word: βῆμα, ατος, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: béma, Phonetic Spelling: (bay'-ma), Short Definition: the space covered by a step of the foot, a tribunal, Definition: an elevated place ascended by steps, a throne, tribunal.[/FONT]



I see you keep quoting parts of my words to disect them and use non-scriptual metaphors to "prove" your doctrine.

 

[trofimus]

It is YHWH's Law. The only standard.

As I already said, not to steal and not to kill is not exclusive only to the law given to Israel (Old Testament), but it is a general knowledge given almost to every culture under the sun. You do not need the Moses' Law to know that you should not kill.

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BTW, do not murder is a better translation. Killing is allowed in many occasions (war, police, self-defense...).

 

[Hizikyah]

did you miss where I said gentile converts. God gave instructions to non-jews ( and it shall be the same for strangers among you ). God's O.T. instuctions to Israel were centered on Israel. not the gentiles. that is why Christ was said to be a light to the gentiles, not a law.

But Scripture says once they convert they are as the native born:

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”


Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and Yahshua/Jesus teaching included His Father's Law:


John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."


Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Heaven and earth has not passed away;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…"

 

[Muzungu256]

There is only one gospel in this dispensation

funky u see....... i think its only one gospel. how many gospels are there?????? u see in the book of revelation an angel is preaching the everlasting gospel of the kingdom. is the angel cursed by paul in galatians 1 if kingdom and grace gospel are different u see????? i think its a matter of overstanding that paul and Jesus had the same message simplified u see:

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

it looks like the same message pretty much u see......

 

[Hizikyah]

As I already said, not to steal and not to kill is not exclusive only to the law given to Israel (Old Testament), but it is a general knowledge given almost to every culture under the sun. You do not need the Moses' Law to know that you should not kill.


BTW, do not murder is a better translation. Killing is allowed in many occasions (war, police, self-defense...).

I agree about kill/murder, I miss typed my point of what I was saying.

Yes I know I beleive it is because it is in our DNA, but I was using those as an example, because bottom line, if there is no Law there is no sin:

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Romans 5:13, "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."


Romans 4:15, "Because the law works wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."


James 4:17, "To him, then, who knows to do right and does not do it, to him it is sin."

“right” is word #G2570 καλός kalos (ka-los') adj., 1. (properly) beautiful., 2. (chiefly, figuratively) good., 3. (literally) valuable., 4. (morally) virtuous.. {for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic}, [of uncertain affinity], KJV: X better, fair, good(-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy, Compare: G18

Romans 7:16, "But if I do what I do not wish, I agree with the Torah that it is right."

“right” is word #G2570 καλός kalos (ka-los') adj., 1. (properly) beautiful., 2. (chiefly, figuratively) good., 3. (literally) valuable., 4. (morally) virtuous.. {for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic}, [of uncertain affinity], KJV: X better, fair, good(-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy, Compare: G18

1 Timothy 1:8, "And we know that the Torah is right if one uses it legitimately."

“right” is word #G2570 καλός kalos (ka-los') adj., 1. (properly) beautiful., 2. (chiefly, figuratively) good., 3. (literally) valuable., 4. (morally) virtuous.. {for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from G18, which is properly intrinsic}, [of uncertain affinity], KJV: X better, fair, good(-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy, Compare: G18

 

[trofimus]

I agree about kill/murder, I miss typed my point of what I was saying.

Yes I know I beleive it is because it is in our DNA, but I was using those as an example, because bottom line, if there is no Law there is no sin:

Well, if you want to talk about the Moses Law, you should choose something specific for the Moses Law, for example burning the spiritists or stoning homosexuals or various ceremonials like Sabbath.

If you choose such a general thing as murder or stealing, its nothing about the Law of Moses, its a general knowledge given to Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Chinese, Russian, American Natives, muslims etc.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well, if you want to talk about the Moses Law, you should choose something specific for the Moses Law, for example burning the spiritists or stoning homosexuals or various ceremonials like Sabbath.

If you choose such a general thing as murder or stealing, its nothing about the Law of Moses, its a general knowledge given to Babylonian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Chinese, Russian, American Natives, muslims etc.

again I believe it is in our DNA to know somethings are wrong, it's called our conscience. Also in Babylon before the flood right and wrong was told to the people by Yah, if not, noting they did could be deemed as wrong.

Im talking about YHWH's Law, and it may not be pretty or pleasant but the evil will be burnt up:

Malachi 4:1-6, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said יהוה of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said יהוה of hosts. Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’yl – laws and right-rulings. See, I am sending you Ěliyah the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה, And he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with utter destruction.”

Isaiah 24:1-6, "See, יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torah, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.”​

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Matt 24:21-2, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Isayah 51:6, “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look on the earth beneath, for the heavens shall vanish like smoke, and the earth wear out like a garment, and those who dwell in it die as gnats. But My deliverance is forever, and My righteousness is not broken."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.


Luke 24:25, "He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"​

2 Peter/Kepha 3, "1 This is now, beloved ones, the second letter I write to you, in which I stir up your sincere mind, to remember 2 the words previously spoken by the set-apart prophets, and of the command of the Master and Saviour, spoken by your emissaries, 3 knowing this first: that mockers shall come in the last days with mocking, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all continues as from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they choose to have this hidden from them: that the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by the Word of Yah, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. 7 And the present heavens and the earth are treasured up by the same Word, being kept for fire, to a day of judgment and destruction of wicked men. 8 But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 יהוה is not slow in regard to the promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward us, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of יהוה shall come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are in it shall be burned up. 11 Seeing all these are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be in set-apart (holy) behaviour and reverence,”​

 

[trofimus]

again I believe it is in our DNA to know somethings are wrong, it's called our conscience. Also in Babylon before the flood right and wrong was told to the people by Yah, if not, noting they did could be deemed as wrong.

Im talking about YHWH's Law

You are talking about the Law given to Israel till Christ.

We are living in Europe (you in the USA) after Christ. I think that the conclusion is clear. Anything specific for the Moses Law does not apply to us. General things? Yes. Because they are general.

 

[Hizikyah]

You are talking about the Law given to Israel till Christ.

We are living in Europe (you in the USA) after Christ. I think that the conclusion is clear. Anything specific for the Moses Law does not apply to us. General things? Yes. Because they are general.

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Heaven and earth has not passed away;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…"

 

[trofimus]

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

“all” is word #G3650 - holos - Strong's Concordance, holos: whole, complete, Original Word: ὅλος, η, ον, Part of Speech: Adjective, Transliteration: holos, Phonetic Spelling: (hol'-os), Short Definition: all, the whole, entire, Definition: all, the whole, entire, complete

Heaven and earth has not passed away;

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…"

Again, you must understand what, when, to whom and why was said. Not just pick verses from the Bible search engine like strawberries.

 

[Hizikyah]

Again, you must understand what, when, to whom and why was said. Not just pick verses from the Bible search engine like strawberries.

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."


John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

 

[garee]

Not to steal and not to kill is not only in the Moses' Law.

For example, I am sure you have it in your "gentile USA law" too. I am pretty sure Chinese or Japanese have it too.

It’s not Jewish law verses the law of other nations.

The perfect law of God did not come from the mind of a Jew or gentile. God is not a man as us.He is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases.

God is no respecter of persons. God is not Jewish. He is the savor of a multitude of nations.

It’s why he changed Abram’s name whose parents who were Hittite and Amorite to Abraham to signify he is the father of a multitude of nations (all).

Isolating the flesh of a Jew from the other nations is not part of the gospel. The Jews performed a "law of the fathers" in that way as a false zealously for knowing God.

All that was promised to their flesh had been fulfilled. The time of reformation has come.

 

[trofimus]

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."


John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Again, verses put into basket like strawberries. One from here, one from there... and let us make a soup.