The gospel call has been in effect since Adam.
Not everyone God calls will respond and be saved.
God's Elect: This Ends Any Debate
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Not everyone God calls will respond and be saved.
we are saved by grace period.
However. Paul makes it clear. it is through faith.
God will not force his salvation on you. nor will he keep it from you
In the end, God gets the glory for eternity. because those cast out could have been saved, if they had just respond to God.
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Right. And she had a friend and the 2 of them would bounce off each other.
Yet these same intellectual powerhouses can't seem to grasp the fact that when they say that salvation can be lost, they are saying salvation is works based and being "saved" is just being placed on Holy probation and is completely dependent on our behavior and the weight is ALL on our shoulders. I say this idea that by "free will" I walk in and out of salvation whenever I want, is completely unbiblical and renders God and Jesus as side characters to our power of choice. Somehow these enlightened gurus are very blind, and have no idea of, thought of, testimony of, or understanding of the POWER of God. Or they just ignore it in EVERY way.
No choice to enter and no choice to leave.
No choice to enter and choice to leave.
Choice to enter and choice to leave.
Choice to enter and no choice to leave.
One of these? Or another?
I never did that.
It is not my responsibility to know you do not know the text of
1 Corinthians 2.
And this screed is proof you do not know 1 Corinthians 2. But you are playing the victim. Because I've read your posts till this. And you were far more rational then.
And that says I was right.
Wow. That's quite a bit of double talk.
Your bully question? The post of yours I quoted. And your reply here wherein you defend your behavior.
That's a bully.
Passive aggressive personality disorder is a shame. A doctrine you do not like makes you attack those you accuse of posting as such. Making accusations about their being satanic etc...
I see.
Let us not forget, “tulip” was a response to the remonstrance heresy-the same synergistic wolf that’s always plagued the church, just wearing a different mask.
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Note to all: There’s always been a lying spirit, a majority who claim faith plus works-“synergists” and the remnant, a minority who are of the true spirit who claim salvation is entirely of the Lord-“monergists”.
The synergistic spirits (Islam, Mormons, JW’s, the majority of “evangelicals” etc) win the battle. Monergists win the war.
Which spirit dwells within you?
not sure I remember her.
I know this debate raged a few years ago. A multiple of people from both sides were banned.. Sadly this discussion can get ugly
I know the text of 1 cor 2 thank you.
1 cor 2: 2 And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the [a]testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
Paul came to them, to speak to them, so they may have faith
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God [c]ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
The hidden wisdom of God. Up until Christ came. God kep secret what was going to happen in a way that we could not know the truth. because of mankind did (literally if satan did ) they would have kept Jesus off the cross
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
We, Those who have been saved by grace through faith and are born of God. have been given the spirit. so we understand these things. and we can start to see and know who and what God is, why he does things and what his desires are.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The natural man can not know these things Gods wants us to know because they are spiritually discerned. all they can know is the gospel. which is given to all men
we are lost (everyone knows this)
we are rightly judged (again everyone knows this)
so we have no excuse
Once we stop hiding this fact for whatever reason (our friends our parents God himself our pastor or coworker or friend. talking to us about God)
God can now show us he loved us so much, he personally came to us, died for us, so he may restore us.
I have the freedom to say Yes God.. I want your salvation. or no God leave me alone (and he will if I ask him to)
if I say yes. then I am born of him, and the next verses apply to me
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
we (those who are saved by grace through faith. who have been given the spirit in our hearts) are rightly judged by no one. We judge ourselves. because we have been introduced to God in a personal way. we were given the right to become children of God by our faith in him, we who heard the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation, and having heard, believed, and were given the spirit in our hearts.
So tell me, where did I go wrong.
are you happy?
I responded in kind to what I felt was used against me.
I guess I should have lashed out in anger like so many others do?
so me laughing and saying something you did not like is me being a bully?
I hope you do not go into the world much, if this little bit hurts you..
then again as I think of it. as I look at my country today.. its becoming normal
yawn.
Dude I stated what I believed.
if you do not like what I believe and it offends you. what are youi doing here? You will find many people here do not agree with you. if my belief hurts you. what are you going to do when alot of people do not agree with you and state their belief.
Galatians 2 verse 16 A man is not justified by works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
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I believe it was just last year. There seems to be an overabundance of people who believe they have an unusual talent for understanding scripture. They are often right. It is an unusual talent
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A whole thread was made to address her error.I believe it was just last year. There seems to be an overabundance of people who believe they have
an unusual talent for understanding scripture. They are often right. It is an unusual talent
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-elect-vs-free-choice.214939/
this was a few years ago. I actually left for a year after that, it was a rough time. But yes. the "know it all's? are in abundance in many chat rooms..I believe it was just last year. There seems to be an overabundance of people who believe they have an unusual talent for understanding scripture. They are often right. It is an unusual talent
I am not sure which is worse. those who think they have the only truth
or those who think they know what you believe, when they prove over and over they do not have any idea what you believe.
Is Niki7 who you are talking about. I went to the link and her precept was entirely wrong.. Its like happens alot. they think there are only 2 options where there are many more.
Its like the arminian/calvin debate, You say you believe in OSAS and your a calvinist. point blank. even though your not..