Global warming or upcoming ice age

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The only "solution" is Fusion, though Fission is not an unreasonable short term solution.

you mean creating nuclear fusion,

It's not expected until 2050, which they say is unlimited energy

 

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you mean creating nuclear fusion,

It's not expected until 2050, which they say is unlimited energy

Which is why I said Fission could be used as a short term solution for the next 30 years.

As for the 2050 date that is when they expect we can have significant commercial fusion available. With the advent of quantum computers and AI I suspect the time line on that will be shortened. We have already seen great improvements. The problem is the cost to build the big power plants and they definitely won't be able to afford that if they blow it all on these absurd Green new deals.

 

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Which is why I said Fission could be used as a short term solution for the next 30 years.

As for the 2050 date that is when they expect we can have significant commercial fusion available. With the advent of quantum computers and AI I suspect the time line on that will be shortened. We have already seen great improvements. The problem is the cost to build the big power plants and they definitely won't be able to afford that if they blow it all on these absurd Green new deals.

from what I saw a few months back, with out researching it, they only managed a small amount of extra energy output increase.

And it took huge amounts of energy to do it.

Of course it could accelerate but without researching it again, of the top my head it's still in early development,

But any energy that gains energy is a good thing i guess, but still there using hydrogen from water to do it, so it still needs a source, but then how much water would it use once or if it powers the whole world,

There was talk about transmitting electricity from space mass solar panels in space or harnessing the power of the sun to lol.

 

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What is causing global warming?

My best guess


There is signs that what the earth has experienced already the earth has signs its experiencing it again.

For instance once upon a time there was a ice age

after the ice age.

My best guess is extinct animals that were found in a tar like substance was a result of global warming where by all the oils off the world was forced upwards and the animals got stuck in the tar, then the ice came and froze over them over time these animals got buried into the ground with the tar.

They found many animals trapped in this tar like substance like sabertooth and other creatures.

The signs that this is happening again seems to be evident all over the world were land temperatures are increasing and ocean temperatures are increasing.

could it be that we start to see a tar like substance coming up through the earth soon.

Then of course loads of smoke followed by the sun being blocked out followed by another ice age.

Or will it be for most of the world when it gets to that state, we will all be wiped down by gases that just send everybody do lolly at first,

 

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Here we go found it. I just wonder if this has something to with the amount of sand oil Canada has ?

The dating could be wrong here tho, it could be just befor Noah's flood

 

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Have we surpassed the 1.5 c increase already ?

Ocean temperatures around South Florida hit hot-tub levels
By Maria Cardona
July 25, 202311:37 PM GMT+1Updated 3 hours ago

[1/2]Citizen scientist from Mote Laboratories replants corals on Florida's Keys vulnerable reefs, in Key West, Florida, U.S., July 13, 2023. REUTERS/Maria Alejandra Cardona/File Photo

KEY LARGO, Florida, July 25 (Reuters) - The surface ocean temperature in and around the Florida Keys soared to typical hot tub levels this week, amid recent warnings from global weather monitors about the dangerous impact of warming waters on ecosystems and extreme weather events.
A water temperature buoy located inside the Everglades National Park in the waters of Manatee Bay hit a high of 101.19 degrees Fahrenheit (38.44 Celsius) late Monday afternoon, U.S. government data showed, while other buoys nearby topped 100F (38C) and the upper 90s (32C).

Normal water temperatures for the area this time of year should be between 73F and 88F (23C and 31C), according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), which published the findings from the National Data Buoy Center.

 

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A step in the right direction or not ?


As Britain announces its 'green industrial revolution' and bans the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030, here's a roundup of other countries' plans
Nov 18 (Reuters) - Britain will ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars and vans from 2030, five years earlier than previously planned, as part of what Prime Minister Boris Johnson is casting as a "green revolution" to cut emissions to net zero by 2050.

Britain last year became the first G7 country to set in law a net zero emission target by 2050, which will require wholesale changes in the way Britons travel, use energy and eat.

Other countries or regions that have pitched the idea of banning fossil-fuel based vehicles include:

United States:

California will ban the sale of new gasoline-powered passenger cars and trucks starting in 2035, Governor Gavin Newsom said in September.

Canada:

The Canadian province of Quebec said this week it would ban the sale of new gasoline-powered passenger cars from 2035.

European Union:

EU environment ministers struck a deal on Oct 23 to make the bloc's 2050 net zero emissions target legally binding, but left a decision on a 2030 emissions-cutting target for leaders to discuss in December.

Germany:

German cities started to introduce bans on older diesel vehicles that emit higher amounts of pollutants than from late 2018.
Norway:

Norway, which relies heavily on oil and gas revenues, aims to become the world's first country to end the sale of fossil fuel-powered cars, setting a 2025 deadline. Fully electric vehicles now make up about 60% of monthly sales in Norway.

China:

In 2017 China begun studying when to ban the production and sale of cars using traditional fuels but did not specify when it might be introduced.

Sales of new energy vehicles (NEV) will make up 50% of overall new car sales in China, the world's biggest auto market, by 2035, an industry official said last month.

India:

Last year, India's central think-tank asked scooter and motorbike manufacturers to draw up a plan to switch to electric vehicles. The think-tank also recommended that only electric models of scooters and motorbikes with engine capacity of more than 150cc must be sold from 2025, sources told Reuters.

(Reporting by Aakash Jagadeesh Babu and Samantha Machado in Bengaluru Editing by Gareth Jones )

 

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"Hot enough for you? Thank a MAGA Republican. Or better yet, vote them out of office," Clinton tweeted Tuesday.

Are people really this stupid?

Science is where we observe phenomenon, like rising CO2, hypothesize how that will impact the earth (theory of Climate change), model it and then make predictions. If the predictions come true then we trust our model and feel like it supports our theory. If the predictions are off we tweek our formula and model a second time and keep doing that till we get it right. Thomas Edison with his 99 different attempts to make a lightbulb.

If the predictions are demonstrably false then we know something is way off with our understanding. The observation of rising CO2 is a fact, that is not what is off, rather what is off is our understanding of how that impacts the weather.

For example, rising CO2 to the levels we have seen acts like fertilizer causing plants all across the entire globe, 70% of which is ocean, to grow faster. Plants absorb sunlight and they sequester carbon. So the more carbon in the air the carbon is sequestered and the more energy from the sun goes to sequestering carbon rather than heating the planet.

But, but, what about all the natural disasters? This is valid. Look at the data, because this is not your original observation. Look at hurricanes and it is hard to see a big increase. But look at fires, it is easy to see a big increase recently. For example, consider the fires in California. A strong case can be made that the fires in California are due to man made drought from farmers and golf courses using more water than California has. It can also be said to be due to fire suppression for many years so that the forests were overgrown and when the fires hit they got out of control. These two factors appear to be the biggest factors and yet they have nothing to do with the "climate change" narrative.

The two things that are happening that are undeniably not a result of some idiotic government policy is the exponential increase in earthquakes and volcanoes. But they don't mention that because it doesn't fit their narrative of blaming America so they can destroy the American economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-blames-maga-republicans-making-hot-outside

 

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"Hot enough for you? Thank a MAGA Republican. Or better yet, vote them out of office," Clinton tweeted Tuesday.

Are people really this stupid?

Science is where we observe phenomenon, like rising CO2, hypothesize how that will impact the earth (theory of Climate change), model it and then make predictions. If the predictions come true then we trust our model and feel like it supports our theory. If the predictions are off we tweek our formula and model a second time and keep doing that till we get it right. Thomas Edison with his 99 different attempts to make a lightbulb.

If the predictions are demonstrably false then we know something is way off with our understanding. The observation of rising CO2 is a fact, that is not what is off, rather what is off is our understanding of how that impacts the weather.

For example, rising CO2 to the levels we have seen acts like fertilizer causing plants all across the entire globe, 70% of which is ocean, to grow faster. Plants absorb sunlight and they sequester carbon. So the more carbon in the air the carbon is sequestered and the more energy from the sun goes to sequestering carbon rather than heating the planet.

But, but, what about all the natural disasters? This is valid. Look at the data, because this is not your original observation. Look at hurricanes and it is hard to see a big increase. But look at fires, it is easy to see a big increase recently. For example, consider the fires in California. A strong case can be made that the fires in California are due to man made drought from farmers and golf courses using more water than California has. It can also be said to be due to fire suppression for many years so that the forests were overgrown and when the fires hit they got out of control. These two factors appear to be the biggest factors and yet they have nothing to do with the "climate change" narrative.

The two things that are happening that are undeniably not a result of some idiotic government policy is the exponential increase in earthquakes and volcanoes. But they don't mention that because it doesn't fit their narrative of blaming America so they can destroy the American economy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton-blames-maga-republicans-making-hot-outside

maybe this will help my full knowledge of how gases in the air work made simple

The study shows that as global temperatures increase, the amount of carbon dioxide released through plant respiration will increase significantly.

A new study involving ANU and international collaborators has found plants release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere through respiration than expected.
Plants use photosynthesis to capture carbon dioxide and then release half of it into the atmosphere through respiration. Plants also release oxygen into the atmosphere through photosynthesis.

Understanding that the more carbon dioxide and methane gas there is in the air the more earths heat is absorbed resulting in warmer temps ,


The earths atmosphere is made up of


78.08 percent nitrogen, 20.95 percent oxygen, and 0.93 percent argon. A brew of trace gases accounts for the other approximately now 1 percent greenhouse and rising from 0.04 to 1 percent including the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone. The balance is delicate.

Nitrogen and oxergen absorb radiation from the sun but not heat,

Carbon dioxide and methane absorbs heat but only makes 1 percent of earths atmosphere. the carbon and methane cellular particle structures, move about and collide with each other, reflecting heat and bounce the heat from earths sun to earths service then heat bounces back up of earths service.

Up and down all day even at night preventing the earth from freezing at night.

The tipping point is when the carbon levels and methane leaves go above 1 percent of the earths atmosphere, because they can absorb heat the earth gets warmer, I hope this helps


Which means you need more plants to capture more CO2 as it just doesn't come from plants, plants can not convert c02 into oxergen which includes methane and carbon dioxide but they will still omit C02


Plants can absorb CO2, and can convert sunlight to oxergen but they can absorb it

Plants convert light from the sun to oxergen something called 2h2o

But most of the earths oxergen comes from water.

So we need plants.

There working on measures to trap methane and carbon by other means so there is hope

So climate change can also be a sign of global warming which as you know also relates to earths emissions both outer and inner.

As you see from the knowledge provided it demonstrates only 1% of the earths atmosphere controls global warming

Its the sames for 1 percent of the earth is oil, so once again what are the dangers of removing it

 

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maybe this will help my full knowledge of how gases in the air work made simple

The study shows that as global temperatures increase, the amount of carbon dioxide released through plant respiration will increase significantly.

A new study involving ANU and international collaborators has found plants release more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere through respiration than expected.
Plants use photosynthesis to capture carbon dioxide and then release half of it into the atmosphere through respiration. Plants also release oxygen into the atmosphere through photosynthesis.

Understanding that the more carbon dioxide and methane gas there is in the air the more earths heat is absorbed resulting in warmer temps ,


The earths atmosphere is made up of


78.08 percent nitrogen, 20.95 percent oxygen, and 0.93 percent argon. A brew of trace gases accounts for the other approximately now 1 percent greenhouse and rising from 0.04 to 1 percent including the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide and ozone. The balance is delicate.

Nitrogen and oxergen absorb radiation from the sun but not heat,

Carbon dioxide and methane absorbs heat but only makes 1 percent of earths atmosphere. the carbon and methane cellular particle structures, move about and collide with each other, reflecting heat and bounce the heat from earths sun to earths service then heat bounces back up of earths service.

Up and down all day even at night preventing the earth from freezing at night.

The tipping point is when the carbon levels and methane leaves go above 1 percent of the earths atmosphere, because they can absorb heat the earth gets warmer, I hope this helps


Which means you need more plants to capture more CO2 as it just doesn't come from plants, plants can not convert c02 into oxergen which includes methane and carbon dioxide but they will still omit C02


Plants can absorb CO2, and can convert sunlight to oxergen but they can absorb it

Plants convert light from the sun to oxergen something called 2h2o

But most of the earths oxergen comes from water.

So we need plants.

There working on measures to trap methane and carbon by other means so there is hope

So climate change can also be a sign of global warming which as you know also relates to earths emissions both outer and inner.

As you see from the knowledge provided it demonstrates only 1% of the earths atmosphere controls global warming

Its the sames for 1 percent of the earth is oil, so once again what are the dangers of removing it

These are only some of the factors. The warmer it is the more water evaporates, the more water evaporates into the air the more clouds you have which reflect a tremendous amount of sunlight back into space.

Regardless of how much CO2 is in the air you are not going to change the fact that the earth is a sphere and that the North and South pole each experience 6 months of darkness. This means we will have cold enough temperatures to get snow. The more water vapor in the air the more water will come down as snow which also reflects a tremendous amount of sunlight back into space.

Recently we are seeing a huge increase in volcanic activity. What most people don't understand is that volcanic eruptions result in the cooling of the Earth, not the heating of the earth. Yes, undersea vents can cause the ocean to heat, but the dust put into the atmosphere from an eruption can remain for months even a year blocking and reflecting the sun.

The key point for me is that Jesus is Lord. They have turned this whole Climate change hysteria into a religion that is pantheistic and idolatrous. The god Pan is notorious for causing "Panic".

 

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These are only some of the factors. The warmer it is the more water evaporates, the more water evaporates into the air the more clouds you have which reflect a tremendous amount of sunlight back into space.

Regardless of how much CO2 is in the air you are not going to change the fact that the earth is a sphere and that the North and South pole each experience 6 months of darkness. This means we will have cold enough temperatures to get snow. The more water vapor in the air the more water will come down as snow which also reflects a tremendous amount of sunlight back into space.

Recently we are seeing a huge increase in volcanic activity. What most people don't understand is that volcanic eruptions result in the cooling of the Earth, not the heating of the earth. Yes, undersea vents can cause the ocean to heat, but the dust put into the atmosphere from an eruption can remain for months even a year blocking and reflecting the sun.

The key point for me is that Jesus is Lord. They have turned this whole Climate change hysteria into a religion that is pantheistic and idolatrous. The god Pan is notorious for causing "Panic".

warmer temps and air currents from rotation of the earth always push the clouds further north it's why you get longer dry spells in the south than the north,

Yes your right clouds will reflect heat away from earth, but it's only 20 percent of the suns heat and happens more in the north.

It's probably why this summer in the UK is unusually cold compared to last year. Which could mean something big is coming, it's feals like the seasons are changing spring is coming in February and warmer temps in winter.

If you get spring emerging in winter months like January or Feb this then it could be astalavista next year,

It could happen as quick as that.

But regardless of what you say about increase Co2 makes no difference,

When we have an atmosphere of 0.04 percent of methane and carbon dioxide perfectly balance for centuries and all of sudden it starts reaching 1 percent of the earths atmosphere, how can you say it wouldn't make a difference

When only 0.04 % of methane and carbon dioxide have controlled climate change so we'll for centuries ?

Where now at 1 percent and rising that's a huge increase From 0.04

 

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warmer temps and air currents from rotation of the earth always push the clouds further north it's why you get longer dry spells in the south than the north,

Yes your right clouds will reflect heat away from earth, but it's only 20 percent of the suns heat and happens more in the north.

It's probably why this summer in the UK is unusually cold compared to last year. Which could mean something big is coming, it's feals like the seasons are changing spring is coming in February and warmer temps in winter.

If you get spring emerging in winter months like January or Feb this then it could be astalavista next year,

It could happen as quick as that.

But regardless of what you say about increase Co2 makes no difference,

When we have an atmosphere of 0.04 percent of methane and carbon dioxide perfectly balance for centuries and all of sudden it starts reaching 1 percent of the earths atmosphere, how can you say it wouldn't make a difference

When only 0.04 % of methane and carbon dioxide have controlled climate change so we'll for centuries ?

Where now at 1 percent and rising that's a huge increase From 0.04

I'm not saying it won't make a difference, I'm saying the factors involved in climate on the Earth are very complex. To assume a simple "more CO2 means we get warmer" is way too simplistic.

You haven't even taken into account the 30,000 year cycle of Earth's revolution around the Sun or sun spots and the Sun's cycle.

I am also saying that the "solution" is always the poor getting poorer as they spend a trillion dollars towards these rich multinational corporations.

I am also saying that the people pushing these solutions are transparently and brazenly hucksters and hypocrites.

 

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I'm not saying it won't make a difference, I'm saying the factors involved in climate on the Earth are very complex. To assume a simple "more CO2 means we get warmer" is way too simplistic.

You haven't even taken into account the 30,000 year cycle of Earth's revolution around the Sun or sun spots and the Sun's cycle.

Yes I have, this could be a contributing factor what i am saying is increased CO2 is a sign there is change coming regardless if you call it climate change related to global warming.

 

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Yes I have, this could be a contributing factor what i am saying is increased CO2 is a sign there is change coming regardless if you call it climate change related to global warming.

Over the last ten thousand years we have had dramatic climate change, all of human history has been climate change. 10,000 years ago we were in an ice age. Now has that been a bad thing that it was getting warmer and the glaciers melted?

 

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Over the last ten thousand years we have had dramatic climate change, all of human history has been climate change. 10,000 years ago we were in an ice age. Now has that been a bad thing that it was getting warmer and the glaciers melted?

we haven't had as much melting of the ice or as much species going extinct in the south pole
Or as much Co2

Or as much oil being taken from the ground

Or gas

Or oil

Or as much industrial Revolution

Or as much drug abuse

Or as much radiation abuse

Or as much gas fire

Or coal fires

Gas boilers

Cars

Or as much depletion of forests causing huge amounts of methane and carbon release



Or as much
Ozone depleting substances which include chlorofluorocarbons like CFCs, remember them now banned
Then there's hcfcs
Then there's hbfcs
All ozone damaging gases.

Or nuclear power plants going boom

Or as much lithium being taken out of the ground

Or uranium ore.

Or the waters of 55 % of the water changing colour

Or as much plastic covering the earth in the earth and in water.

Or refuge land fill sites producing methane .

Or methane produced from farm animals and humans

Or methane coming from ice melting and permafrost heating.

Or record high temps being recorded both on land and in oceans.

Or as much sea life being killed or fished

Or corals going bleached.

 

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Over the last ten thousand years we have had dramatic climate change, all of human history has been climate change. 10,000 years ago we were in an ice age. Now has that been a bad thing that it was getting warmer and the glaciers melted?

you need to listen to your UK brothers

Where the ones that feel climate change the most because of where we are situated on the northern hemisphere

 

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Unprecedented mass whale stranding

is this a sign change is coming, whales can tell us something

 

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What can we do to help

 

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you need to listen to your UK brothers

Where the ones that feel climate change the most because of where we are situated on the northern hemisphere

I feel I need to listen to the Lord. He describes the end of the age to the birth of a baby followed by the Earth (placenta) going through the incinerator.

As a baby grows it becomes clear the womb is no longer big enough to support him. The solution is not for the baby to diet, or kill the twin baby, or whatever, the solution is to leave the womb.

All of this talk concerning climate change is the panic from placenta realizing that once the baby is born their days are numbered.

 

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I feel I need to listen to the Lord. He describes the end of the age to the birth of a baby followed by the Earth (placenta) going through the incinerator.

As a baby grows it becomes clear the womb is no longer big enough to support him. The solution is not for the baby to diet, or kill the twin baby, or whatever, the solution is to leave the womb.

All of this talk concerning climate change is the panic from placenta realizing that once the baby is born their days are numbered.

lol ok the foundations of our plannet may well be eternal, where as the crust (the earth is not)

This is where it get easy to illustrate because if the foundations our of heaven, then heaven creating new earth is easy to understand.

We understand that heaven replenishes us people and disciplines the flesh,

As you put the Isreal is a land flowing with milk and honey.

The honey may well be a product of the heavenly foundations that treats the earth ( the crust)

Well we see that the honey is snatched away from many people who never know Christ.

Is the honey ( the oil) being snatched away to destroy us to,

The enemy came to steal and destroy.