Genesis 6:1-2 Revisited. Unredeemable
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It doesn’t state the giants are the offspring. It states there were giants at the time this happened. They are neither, so they will be judged...according to however God chooses.
Sigh, it was addressed to those holding that Gen 6 is referring to angel/men hybrids. Is that what you hold to?
I know who it was addressed to. I know why it was asked. I am simply saying it has no answer, as the question assumes the position of a false theological position by it's "if".
There are no such thing, and never will be such a thing, as "angel/men hybrids" (sic). As stated, it is a scriptural impossibility. I was not saying you taught it either by my post #212. This is why I stated to read my post more carefully. I was simply asking if any (including yourself) desired to know from scripture why the theology was false, and to ask for the evidence, and if not, I would not bother to spend time on it here for those who did not desire to consider a view point not their own.
I am not your enemy:
Luk_9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
What is one verse that declares angels are spirit? If Genesis claims we are made in the image of elohim (heavenly beings) why could this be such a certainty that there were no hybrids?
Well, there are more views on this matter than yours or mine.
Do you desire to consider a view point not your own? Do you listen to others or are you here to tell us what is or isn't true?
Ditto.
There may be many 'views', but I do not go by my, yours or others views. I simply state what scripture itself states on the matter, as its statements are all that matters.
All the time. I just recently considered the errors of Baptists:
https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...hite-sda-doctrines.116112/page-3#post-2606642
Start there, and keep reading.
I wouldn't be able to respond to you like I am, if I did not. It should be obvious that I listen to others. It doesn't mean that I agree with what is stated. I wait for others to present their positon, and judge according to scripture (KJB).
That is the Bible's function, and I simply "amen" what it says.
As you will.
"spirit" (sic) is not "flesh", and "flesh" is not "spirit". The two are not the same.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Angels are not merely 'spirit', though they have 'heart'/'mind' and 'breath of life of God' (which is what spirit means in Psalms 104:4, and Hebrews 1:7,14), as it says they are 'ministering spirits', just as mankind was to be from the beginning (Hebrews 12:23).
Most people have a misunderstanding of the Bible's word "spirit". It doesn't mean an 'incorporeal shade'. That theology is spiritualism.
"Angels" (heavenly beings) are tangible beings of flesh and 'spirit' (mind/heart and breath of life of God):
1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
Isa_66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Consider Job 1 & 2, etc.
Do not confuse "image" with "likeness". They are two differing things. Study this out. Secondly, only was it given to mankind of this earth to "bring forth", "multiply", have "seed", etc. This is nowhere stated of the angelic hosts, among other things. God makes the distinction in Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25, etc.
I have an entire study on angels if you desire, you may read it here - https://ia801506.us.archive.org/7/items/michael-the-archangel-03-the-word-angel-as-defined-and-used/Michael the archangel [03] - The word angel as defined and used.pdf
Angels aren't aetheral beings (one error), and neither are they capable of procreating with mankind (another error), as they are a differing "kind" of being, as different as Cat is to Fish. Both having differing flesh, and thus so too, angels (angelic hosts) and mankind.
More may be shared, as I have a deep and thorough (no stone left unturned) study on this, with every word considered in its proper uses and context in the whole of scripture.
You have great confidence in your opinions. Most of what you stated is conjecture. Genesis 1:26 states: Then God (elohim so gods) said “Let us make man in our image and after our likeness.”
Then it states the sons of elohim (gods) saw that the daughters of men were fair... My question is if elohim can’t produce children then why are there sons? Clearly you aren’t going to agree with this even though that’s exactly what the Bible states. I don’t know what happened. All I’m telling you is what is written. You can’t ignore it.
God is not a man (a creation) But is heavenly eternal Spirit being not seen .No one has received their new glorified bodies .
Ministering spirits of God have no literal body . When Jesus was strengthened by the father. It was the words given to him called "inspiration". They worked in his mind
It was not; Hey do one of you guys want to run a errand I have a message .?
He heard words that where put on his mind . Just like lucifer the morning star put his lies on the serpent the mouth or when he put his words on Peters mouth the spirit of error .
Again the Son of man having no power of His own was strengthened by the lord. Just as us we are strengthened in our bodies of death making the sufferings of the wage of sin death. . . less. . We have the excellency of the power of God in us but never after what the eyes, us. God did not send a separate entity he sent his Spirit as the father of all spirits
Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
While in other places he would demonstrate orally as a witness that the lord dwelt in the corrupted fleshly body of the some of man. A creation the Son of man as a apostles a messenger sent to preach the gospel .In a hope the father would apply it to a persona new heart.
Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him....
( Paraphrased. . .He speaks my word that I put on his lips just like the words he put on the lips of a donkey to teach us how to walk by faith (the unseen will )
His living word is spirit and life. Satan the lying spirit needs a body to spread his lies .Just as God can when he used the son of God .
And you don't think other Christians with varying views do the same?
Your arrogance continues to astound me. You realize I hope, there are many kinds of Baptists?
I'm not certain you even know my position or even care.
So you have perfect interpretation that trumps the interpretation of others?
Genesis 6 talks about the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of men. This is talking about how true believers (who are the sons of God in the Bible) took wives of non-believers (which is parable language for believers mixing beliefs and ideas and spiritual things with non-believers ideas and so forth). It means that believers became corrupted and fellowshipped spiritually with non-believers. When Genesis 6 says that there were giants in the earth in those days, keep in mind that David fought the giant Goliath. However, Goliath was not some weird hybrid of so-called angels and men. Rather, Goliath was a human and yet called a giant. It is no different in Genesis 6. The giant is a picture of those humans in the flesh who oppose the true believers, and the true believers have the Spirit of God. Incidentally, the term angel in the Bible simply means messenger. It is a term reserved for true believers who have the message of the gospel. Jesus, for example, was the archangel, meaning chief messenger. He is the angel which redeemed me from all evil mentioned in Genesis 48:16. Only Jesus is the redeemer. Also, keep in mind that the days of Noah (Genesis 6 is about the days of Noah) are said in the Bible to be like the days of the Son of Man (Luke 17:26), in other words just like more contemporary days. People's notion of angels need adjusting. When the Bible says: "And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire." in Hebrews 1:7, it doesn't mean that angels are disembodied ghost-like spirits. Rather, it means that God gives his spirit to true believers, and they are entrusted with the gospel which judges (pictured by fire in parable language). Further, Hebrews 1:14 says that angels are ministering spirits: "Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" In other words, God gives his spirit to true believers to share the gospel, effectively ministering salvation as people believe the message.
I didn’t ask where God was called spirit. Nor did I ask where Christ rebuked Peter and metaphorically called him Satan. Clearly he was not possessed by Satan. Multiple occurrences have heavenly messengers as humanoid. It was never said that unclean spirits are fallen angels. However it has been speculated that these unclean spirits are the disembodied souls of hybrids. I’m not saying they are but they might be. Who knows? I’m not going to try to twist scripture to back my point. What I have stated is scripture, is scripture, and what is not, is not. Scripture says that gods (elohim) made men in their image. It also states sons of gods (elohim) “went into” the daughters of men and produced offspring; mighty men. Whether they produced hybrids like “cabits”, a cross of cat and rabbit, or genetically manipulated them and impregnated them I don’t know. The fact that everybody likes to ignore is that elohim literally means “extraterrestrial”. That’s what it means “heavenly being”, a being from the heavens. I get that Hollywood has put some thoughts in our heads about extraterrestrials but they have been written about since recorded history in every culture. Often they are depicted as humanoid and many tales about impregnating women, not just then, but now also. Just about every “abductee” has reported there are genetic experiments going on such as hybrids. I can’t validate them, but because it is also written word for word in God’s word, I can’t dismiss it either. That’s what it says.
Hi thanks for the reply.
Extraterrestrial "denotes location (occurring or originating outside the Earth) not a spirit being, Our supernatural God has no origin.
Elohim literally means “God” or “god.”
A person cannot see Elohim. Elohim our Lord and father (God) creates gods called sons "of God". Which the believers are. (1 John 3:1-2) And not sons "of man" or daughter "of men" .But again denoting the faithful Creator born "of God" not seen .
Its either "of God" not seen or "of men" as in mankind to include daughters "of men"
Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ working in the to both will and perform the god pleasure of God in them they have no faith to see past the horizon . its what you see is what you get. Out of sight out of mind. The three avenues of this world under the father of lies . Not of the Spirit of truth.
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Having the “image” or “likeness” of God means simply means that we were made to resemble God. Adam did not resemble God in the sense of God’s having flesh and blood. Scripture says that “God is Spirit” (John 4:24) and therefore exists without a body.
When those who had not faith of Christ working in them saw what they thought Paul did in Acts 14. They saw Hollywood making corrupted mankind in into god in the likeness of men
Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness "of men."
Again "of men" denotes their false hope it the same as daughter "of men" or "of Mankind." Not born "of God" kind .
Jesus said marvel not. Mankind must be born "of God"
He did not metaphorical call Peter, Satan . He addressed the actual spirit of lies the god of this world who was rebuking Jesus, the spirit of error who was working in Peter to both will and empower him as a lying sign .
Again the spirit of error (antichrist) was addressed, not Peter. He was used as one of the many antichrists.
The Lord not seen simply put his words on the lips of Jesus, the apostle prophet. Just like he put his words of power on the apostle Paul in Acts 14 .. The lord rebuked Satan .Informing that spirit lo lies to get behind our unseen God .Not Peter seen
He forgave Peter of his blasphemy again and again . That window of forgiveness ended when the Son of God disappeared. Never to return in the flesh forevermore .The one time demonstration of the father and the Son was finished.
I'm not sure I am following you. Are you saying there are no angels that are disembodied spirits but are only enfleshed messengers?
extraterrestrials but they have been written about since recorded history in every culture. Often they are depicted as humanoid and many tales about impregnating women, not just then, but now also. Just about every “abductee” has reported there are genetic experiments going on such as hybrids. I can’t validate them, but because it is also written word for word in God’s word, I can’t dismiss it either. That’s what it says.
Hi again thanks for the reply.
I would offer first and foremost no man can serve two teaching master as one authority in that way . It simply leaves a person wondering between two things and not believing.
Scripture dismisses what I call the things of Hollywood . We are not to go above all things written in the law and the prophets .God's two witness revealing that he has spoken.
The imaginations of ones heart are not a source of the faith of Christ who works in us to empower us to do His good purposes.
The whole section in Genesis 6 is about preserving the spiritual seed (one) Christ .This was up until Jesus was born. Not to be unevenly yoked with the those born "of men" not redeemed as sons "of God
Believer sons "of God" as men of renown .Nephilim meaning “heroes of old, men of renown” heroes of faith .
You could say the Holy Spirit working in David as a giant of the faith according to the power that worked in David. It slew their heroes of old, men of renown. the daughters or men or mankind . (Goliath) Hooked up one small people to his GPS and fired one warning shot hit right between the eyes and fell forward flat on his face never rising to new life.
David like Joshua men of renown were given the faith to known their giant or men of renown are as grasshoppers.
In the Bible uses the word renown 11 times . And always as sons of God as the renown believers . . .a blessing . Never a curse
Again not after the god of Hollywood of confusion, wonders .... who lets the imaginations go hog wild . Nothing against science fiction one of favorite genres of amusement
Genesis 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons "of God" came in unto the daughters of men, (mankind) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 1:16These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.
Numbers 16:2And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:
Below he says it directly establishing the renown" law". Never could represent those born of men to be known as His renown
Isaiah 14:20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Ezekiel 16:14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
Below in false pride the renown were rebuked
Ezekiel 16:15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Describing the fornications with the dead . The renowned as daughter of men. (unevenly yoked.)
Ezekiel 23:23The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
Ezekiel 26:17And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!
Ezekiel 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
Ezekiel 39:13Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; (dead bury dead) and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
Daniel 9:15And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
Hi again thanks for the reply.
I would offer first and foremost no man can serve two teaching master as one authority in that way . It simply leaves a person wondering between two things and not believing.
Scripture dismisses what I call the things of Hollywood . We are not to go above all things written in the law and the prophets .God's two witness revealing that he has spoken.
The imaginations of ones heart are not a source of the faith of Christ who works in us to empower us to do His good purposes.
The whole section in Genesis 6 is about preserving the spiritual seed (one) Christ .This was up until Jesus was born. Not to be unevenly yoked with the those born "of men" not redeemed as sons "of God
Believer sons "of God" as men of renown .Nephilim meaning “heroes of old, men of renown” heroes of faith .
You could say the Holy Spirit working in David as a giant of the faith according to the power that worked in David. It slew their heroes of old, men of renown. the daughters or men or mankind . (Goliath) Hooked up one small people to his GPS and fired one warning shot hit right between the eyes and fell forward flat on his face never rising to new life.
David like Joshua men of renown were given the faith to known their giant or men of renown are as grasshoppers.
In the Bible uses the word renown 11 times . And always as sons of God as the renown believers . . .a blessing . Never a curse
Again not after the god of Hollywood of confusion, wonders .... who lets the imaginations go hog wild . Nothing against science fiction one of favorite genres of amusement
Genesis 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons "of God" came in unto the daughters of men, (mankind) and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Numbers 1:16These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.
Numbers 16:2And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:
Below he says it directly establishing the renown" law". Never could represent those born of men to be known as His renown
Isaiah 14:20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Ezekiel 16:14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
Below in false pride the renown were rebuked
Ezekiel 16:15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
Describing the fornications with the dead . The renowned as daughter of men. (unevenly yoked.)
Ezekiel 23:23The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
Ezekiel 26:17And they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and say to thee, How art thou destroyed, that wast inhabited of seafaring men, the renowned city, which wast strong in the sea, she and her inhabitants, which cause their terror to be on all that haunt it!
Ezekiel 34:29 And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
Ezekiel 39:13Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; (dead bury dead) and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
Daniel 9:15And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly.
Elohim is plural. El is god. Elohim means gods. When it’s written “Lord God” in Genesis translates to Jehovah elohim, or Self-Existent God of gods. That’s what it means.
Genesis 6:11-12 New King James Version (NKJV) 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for ALL flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.
ALL flesh had corrupted their corrupted way on the earth. . evil. No blessing.
The unredeemed evil natural man thoughts. . continually . No God in their heart.
The "way" of the corrupted flesh.
Genesis 6: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
All of creation was corrupted in the garden. Thou shall surely die .the letter of the law caring out it promise.
The thoughts of mankind we constantly evil (corrupted)
The evil generation(in Adam) had no faith coming from hearing God as that which was given to Noah And not reckoned the whole corrupted family . Noah lived in a earthen body of death just as any believer. He knew where the power came from. . within. A renown man. . . by the faith of Christ that caused them to walk as one in agreement . It worked in Noah moving him to do the good will of God. The spirutl seed Christ was in jeopardy . We have the fulfillment in the new testament seen in the genealogy .
The subject matter in Genesis 6 .Sons of God, believers are do not be unevenly yoked with daughters of mankind (no faith)
Hebrews 11: 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
It does not mention whether or not the rest of the family became heirs of a righteousness not of their own self.
Thanks .
I would offer. But not Self-Existent gods plural. One is self existing, without mother or father. . without beginning of Spirit life or end of it.
One lord not seen. One faith as a work or labor of love signified by two working together brining the peace of God that surpasses human understanding . . revealed as it is written