You have not shown me to be bearing false witness; and cannot do so.
You are simply taking on the nature of your father in accusing me of lying; as I am one of the brethren spoken of in Revelation 12:11.
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You are simply taking on the nature of your father in accusing me of lying; as I am one of the brethren spoken of in Revelation 12:11.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:I will say that I do not perfectly obey the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13); but that the spirit of what is written is a different story (Romans 7:6, 8:4).
According to the spirit of the law (Romans 7:6), the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me inasmuch as I walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).
But I do not claim to be perfectly obedient to the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Post 610 justbyfaith said
Yet the Bible is clear that those who are born of God "cannot sin"...
I could go on and on, but will just quote your favourite bible verses:
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1John 3:9
I will repeat this:
''All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.''
Because, no one perfectly follows the letter of what is written.
It doesnt hurt me these comments of yours, only youYou have not shown me to be bearing false witness; and cannot do so.
You are simply taking on the nature of your father in accusing me of lying; as I am one of the brethren spoken of in Revelation 12:11.
Your father is the accuser of the brethren and you have taken on his nature and employment by accusing me of bearing false witness against you; which is an accusation without evidence.It doesnt hurt me these comments of yours, only you
self inflicted woundsYour father is the accuser of the brethren and you have taken on his nature and employment by accusing me of bearing false witness against you; which is an accusation without evidence.
You are bearing false witness against me.self inflicted wounds
That is the bottom line.
The only way I have borne false witness against you is if my doctrine is not the doctrine of Christianity.
I know that you believe that;
But I think that I will leave it up to the reader to decide.
I know that I have not borne false witness against you.
Are you a christian in your view?You are bearing false witness against me.
That is the bottom line.
The only way I have borne false witness against you is if my doctrine is not the doctrine of Christianity.
I know that you believe that;
But I think that I will leave it up to the reader to decide.
I know that I have not borne false witness against you.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Notice that I put it in quotes.Are you a christian in your view?
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
There is more to the story than what is in the quotes.
1 John 3:9 may indeed be hyperbole; exaggeration to make a point.
What point?
That when anyone is born again, they make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.
Even as it is written,
Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
What this means is that the born again believer is on a path towards perfection and will eventually reach that goal if they do not give up on the faith (Colossians 1:21-23).
It does not mean that a justified believer necessarily is born again according to the literal definition of 1 John 3:9.
Theres no way out of it im afraidNotice that I put it in quotes.
There is more to the story than what is in the quotes.
1 John 3:9 may indeed be hyperbole; exaggeration to make a point.
What point?
That when anyone is born again, they make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.
Even as it is written,
Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
What this means is that the born again believer is on a path towards perfection and will eventually reach that goal if they do not give up on the faith (Colossians 1:21-23).
It does not mean that a justified believer necessarily is born again according to the literal definition of 1 John 3:9.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Anyway, now you do not profess to not to commit sin, keep on quoting 1John3:5-9 with your literalistic understanding, here's a start:Notice that I put it in quotes.
There is more to the story than what is in the quotes.
1 John 3:9 may indeed be hyperbole; exaggeration to make a point.
What point?
That when anyone is born again, they make a 180-degree turn away from sin, death, hell, and satan towards righteousness, life, heaven, and God.
Even as it is written,
Pro 4:18, But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
What this means is that the born again believer is on a path towards perfection and will eventually reach that goal if they do not give up on the faith (Colossians 1:21-23).
It does not mean that a justified believer necessarily is born again according to the literal definition of 1 John 3:9.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Post 610 justbyfaith said
Yet the Bible is clear that those who are born of God "cannot sin"...
I could go on and on, but will just quote your favourite bible verses:
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1John 3:9
I will repeat this:
''All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.''
Because, no one perfectly follows the letter of what is written.
So, what is your point?Theres no way out of it im afraid
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Is it that:
1) I am not saved;
or,
2) that what I said about 2 Corinthians 5:17 is off-base?
If 2), then I would ask you to give a more orthodox interpretation of that verse.
Unlike you, I do not interpret scripture in order to cater to my experience or so that I can believe that I am saved when I am not saved (although I am saved);Anyway, now you do not profess not to commit sin, keep on quoting 1John3:5-9 with your literalistic understanding, here's a start:
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Post 610 justbyfaith said
Yet the Bible is clear that those who are born of God "cannot sin"...
I could go on and on, but will just quote your favourite bible verses:
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1John 3:9
I will repeat this:
''All you have is a doctrine based on the partial letter of scripture. It has no reality in yours or anyone elses life. I have seen many with this, honestly I have.''
Because, no one perfectly follows the letter of what is written.
But I interpret my experience according to holy scripture.
Theres no way out of it im afraid. In your view are you a christianSo, what is your point?
Is it that:
1) I am not saved;
or,
2) that what I said about 2 Corinthians 5:17 is off-base?
If 2), then I would ask you to give a more orthodox interpretation of that verse.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Unlike you, I do not interpret scripture in order to cater to my experience or so that I can believe that I am saved when I am not saved (although I am saved);
But I interpret my experience according to holy scripture.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
Because, no one perfectly follows the letter of what is written.
And neither has anyone said that it is the case that anyone does.
I would suggest that you go back and read some of my most recent posts.Theres no way out of it im afraid. In your view are you a christian
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
You do not have an advantage over me as you think you do.
Theres no way out of it im afraid. Why cant you answer the question? In your view are you a christian?I would suggest that you go back and read some of my most recent posts.
You do not have an advantage over me as you think you do.
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?
See post #728 (https://christianchat.com/threads/galatians-discussion.203410/post-4755981), for example.
(cont'd from post #737).
(cont'd from post #737).
Theres no way out of it im afraid. Why cant you answer the simple question. In your view, are you a christian?See post #728 (https://christianchat.com/threads/galatians-discussion.203410/post-4755981), for example.
(cont'd from post #737).
Post 704 Justbyfaith said:
‘’I do not claim not to commit sin.’’
Post 627: Justbyfaith said:
What is the new, but the new life that we live in Christ; wherein we "doth not commit sin" and "cannot sin" (1 John 3:9)?