And what makes you think that 7seasrekeyed does not have the Holy Spirit?
Let's face it. The Calvinistic Gospel is a false gospel, since it turns Gospel Truth on its head.
Free Will compatible with Sovereignty
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Let's face it. The Calvinistic Gospel is a false gospel, since it turns Gospel Truth on its head.
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7seasrekeyed
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Faith is also one of the spiritual gifts
now fruit on the other hand, is not always evident
some trees produce more that others and some have fruit that tastes better
take you for example
horse oranges
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7seasrekeyed
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no worries
I think he has a big bowl with every verse of the Bible contained in it and he just reaches in and pulls one out and voila!
he has his answer
dude is just another Calvinist
but thanks!
I have a remedy for John C angst.no worries
I think he has a big bowl with every verse of the Bible contained in it and he just reaches in and pulls one out and voila!
he has his answer
dude is just another Calvinist
but thanks!
Take two of these,
fill this
But not for long. Jesus says no man can come to him unless the Father draws (= drags) him. Many are called but few are chosen.
If you say this, you might be saying you believe in another Jesus if Calvin was right. You should tone down saying I might be wrong but ..... or something similar.
Draw does not mean drag in any sense. Saul resisted those pricks over and over so the Lord appeared to Him. This is how Paul could be called an Apostle.
“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:44 (KJV 1900)
“And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.” John 21:6 (KJV 1900)
15.212 σύρωa; ἕλκωa; σπάομαι: to pull or drag, requiring force because of the inertia of the object being dragged—‘to pull, to drag, to draw.’
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 207). New York: United Bible Societies.
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7seasrekeyed
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he is spot on
you have your Calvin another Jesus gospel
and then there is the actual gospel we find in scripture
you believe you are correct so you tell others to tone down
news flash: you don't have the privilege of telling others how or what to post
Suggestion. Let's drop this discussion. It is stalled out and only wasting time. See ya on another topic!
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7seasrekeyed
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you go first
but you should know you didn't create anything that has not already been discussed many times here
do what you tell others to do and don't tell others what to do
Suggestion. Let's drop this discussion. It is stalled out and only wasting time. See ya on another topic!you go first
but you should know you didn't create anything that has not already been discussed many times here
do what you tell others to do and don't tell others what to do
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7seasrekeyed
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you go first
but you should know you didn't create anything that has not already been discussed many times here
do what you tell others to do and don't tell others what to do
So you get the glory for your decision right, since you made it? If YOU chose Him then you have room to boast do you not? I though God granted repentance, I thought it was all from, God least any man boast. Right?
Suggestion. Let's drop this discussion. It is stalled out and only wasting time. See ya on another topic!you go first
but you should know you didn't create anything that has not already been discussed many times here
do what you tell others to do and don't tell others what to do
I get the glory? What are you talking about? Your verbiage does not change Scripture. I believed the gospel because I realized I am guilty and on my way to hell without Jesus. It's all about the cross. There's no room for man to brag. Try again.
All scriptures must harmonize, and your belief system allows the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, the ability to understand the gospel, which he cannot discern, and thinks that it is foolishness. No one can understand the spiritual gospel until he has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is a part of the new spiritual birth process. You have it backwards, because you do not harmonize the scriptures.
Understanding the scriptures is similar to putting a puzzle together. You see a piece that has the right colors, and the right amount of ears, but one of the ears fits a little tight. If you press it hard enough, you can force the ear to fit, but you will never be able to see the whole finished picture.
You underestimate the preaching and power of God's word. The Holy Spirit can draw a man to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, but it's up to the man to choose.
Your quote is from Romans 10:21. The disobedient and gainsaying people that he is talking about is Jacob/Israel, his elect, who does believe, but do not have the full knowledge of the gospel, because they are still babes in Christ, and do not understand the doctrine of Jesus. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little.
Romans 10:1-3, Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God "for Israel" is, that they might be saved (delivered=Greek interpretation). For I bear them record that they have a "zeal" (evidence that they are born again) of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness (that is revealed in the doctrine), and are going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Gen 33:28, And he said, Thy name shall be no more called Jacob, but Israel; for as a prince, thou has power with God, and with men, and has prevailed. Romans 9:11, For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calleth, it was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated.
Jacob/Israel is representative of God's elect, the church. Because newborn babes in Christ are without knowledge, and are "disobedient and gainsaying" and are in need to be taught the doctrine is why Jesus instructed his Apostles to go and preach to the lost sheep of the house of Jacob/Israel, Matt 10:6.