For the believer, when does God forgive sins?

[Pilgrimshope]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. The above verses teach a principle that functionally if we expect the blessings of fellowship with God through the forgiveness of sins then we should also be forgiving others their trespasses.

What it cannot mean is that an individual has forgiven every offense ever made against them because no one has done this. If it means as you suggest, everyone would go to hell.

Do you know anyone who has ever forgiven every offense?

Yea me I make a point to do that because God said to do it . I don’t think up reasons why to not just accept what he said . I don’t go on a circle when I hear what God himself taught us to believe about things .

brother I wasn’t sure you had heard what Jesus taught about forgivness I’m now fully confident you know what God himself taught about forgivness and whether he will forgive us or not

just incase I want to show how prevalent it is


“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we believe right our actions will follow. To believe right we need to trust Jesus and his teachings about God and salvstion. That seems reasonable brother at least to this old ragged fool .


Learn what Jesus said about everything and believe him that’s my philosophy

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s just a truth to believe or reject …Jesus is telling believers so they can repent and start forgiving others so then we don’t have to worry about being held guilty for every word and deed we do because we don’t hold anything against anyone

brother I pray a lot about forgiveness with God if I have any grudge or even resentment it’s hard to hold something against someone of you being it into prayer and forgive them ask God to not hold it against them really deal with it in your relationship with him ….it’s hard then not to get over it pretty quick because we’re focusing on and doing the things he told us …..it’s always the right thing for us

It’s Jesus bro he’s the one who willingly and knowingly suffered and died to be the guy who gets to set the terms of salvation and then say believe me and you’ll be saved and that’s what the gospel is saying believe and be saved

We don’t have to know every jot and tittle we just have to come near and listen and learn seek him acrually treat him as our lord who’s teaching us to love and not die and let those things change us how we think about salvstion and gos and forgivness ect

Jesus word Will changes bekievers and leads to wonderful peace

 

[Cameron143]

I'm not even really sure you essentially disagree with each other... you just have different ways of expressing the same thing using Scripture to back your viewpoints of what it means to be obedient... Or maybe I just don't understand the disconnect...

There is a disconnect. Some things in scripture deal with loss of fellowship for believers or rewards and not salvation. Others are dealing with salvation and are descriptive and not prescriptive...meaning, they describe the spiritual condition of someone who is either saved or unsaved.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. The above verses teach a principle that functionally if we expect the blessings of fellowship with God through the forgiveness of sins then we should also be forgiving others their trespasses.

What it cannot mean is that an individual has forgiven every offense ever made against them because no one has done this. If it means as you suggest, everyone would go to hell.

Do you know anyone who has ever forgiven every offense?

There we go sis😅😅😅

sometimes a hug looks like a wraslin match when your dealing with a big galoot!

 

[Magenta]

There we go sis😅😅😅

sometimes a hug looks like a wraslin match when your dealing with a big galoot!

I see... .. And which one of you is the big galoot? .

PS ~ Gotta love Rob Lowe...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I see... .. And which one of you is the big galoot? .

PS ~ Gotta love Rob Lowe...

Well I mean a thought that was obvious

😂😂😂 I would never say that about Cameron !! He’s anything and everything BUT a big ruffian galoot like yours truly

 

[know1]

“For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:9‬ ‭

Very well puts sir. The verse you quoted is one of the scriptures God showed me concerning children going to heaven if they die before coming of the age of understanding.
And one of the others God spoke to me concerning is, John 3:3: "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
I've told this story a number of times over the years on CC, but since I don't know if I said it to you, I'll say it again.
Years ago, I was watching a recording of Jesse duplantis going to heaven. And at one point he described a number of Oriental children he saw up there and then stated that the aborted children go to heaven. At that point, in my ignorance, I said within myself myself, that man is lying, he never went to heaven. For the Bible says, except a person be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. That was what I thought the Bible said at the time.
And as soon as I said that, I heard an extremely loud screaming directly behind me. That lasted for only a few seconds. Then I heard a man's voice, VERY clearly, in an angry and Stern tone tell me, "MY WORD SAYS, except a MAN (he said man, emphatically by raising his voice) be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven. "
I thought he said, " he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven" but I could be wrong on that.
He then said again in an angry and Stern tone, raising his voice and emphatically saying, "BABIES ARE NOT MEN!! "
Those are direct quotes, and that was the end of it.
I was then lead to the verse you used.
That was the only time God ever spoke to me so clearly, forcefully, and in that tone.
So even though children may sin at a very early age, they are not held accountable until they become of age.
At that point, like Paul, they die spiritually, and now they are in need of Jesus to save them from their sins.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Very well puts sir. The verse you quoted is one of the scriptures God showed me concerning children going to heaven if they die before coming of the age of understanding.
And one of the others God spoke to me concerning is, John 3:3: "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
I've told this story a number of times over the years on CC, but since I don't know if I said it to you, I'll say it again.
Years ago, I was watching a recording of Jesse duplantis going to heaven. And at one point he described a number of Oriental children he saw up there and then stated that the aborted children go to heaven. At that point, in my ignorance, I said within myself myself, that man is lying, he never went to heaven. For the Bible says, except a person be born again he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven. That was what I thought the Bible said at the time.
And as soon as I said that, I heard an extremely loud screaming directly behind me. That lasted for only a few seconds. Then I heard a man's voice, VERY clearly, in an angry and Stern tone tell me, "MY WORD SAYS, except a MAN (he said man, emphatically by raising his voice) be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven. "
I thought he said, " he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven" but I could be wrong on that.
He then said again in an angry and Stern tone, raising his voice and emphatically saying, "BABIES ARE NOT MEN!! "
Those are direct quotes, and that was the end of it.
I was then lead to the verse you used.
That was the only time God ever spoke to me so clearly, forcefully, and in that tone.
So even though children may sin at a very early age, they are not held accountable until they become of age.
At that point, like Paul, they die spiritually, and now they are in need of Jesus to save them from their sins.

ye we die because we serve sin

“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:23‬ ‭

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

before we can choose we have to know what’s right and wrong and be accountable we are t born with sin , we’re corrupted through our flesh by sin

 

[Bruce_Leiter]

I John 1:7 says that for those who are walking in the light (believers), the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses (Greek present tense = ongoingly, continually) them from all sin (sin is actually singular here in the Greek = each and every sin).

I grew up thinking that I needed to verbally confess every sin that I committed to God in order to be forgiven. I thought that if I sinned, God put a big red X on my record and I was doomed to hell unless I repented and confessed the sin. As you can easily conclude, I did not have assurance of salvation. I had my concept of God mixed up with the Devil: the Devil is the "accuser of the brethren."

Now I have come to believe that for the believer who is hanging on to Jesus (believing) and his blood atonement, the blood of Jesus ongoingly, continually is cleansing them from every sin they might commit.

Hallelujah! for Jesus and the cross!

Here, we have to distinguish between the legal word "justification" (Paul in Romans 3) and the word "cleansing" (John in your passage). Both are true. The very moment we trust in Jesus genuinely, God, our just Judge, declares us to have the "not-guilty" verdict of Jesus, who took our "guilty" verdict on himself when he died. Every day and moment, we need God's cleansing from our sins that still remain within us, while his justification remains with us always. Both concepts carry great comfort for us, don't they?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

listen here about the kingdom of God from the king and what he is saying about it

““Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand bags of gold was brought to him. Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt. “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go. “

But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded. “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’ “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.

When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened. “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.( he couldn’t pay that’s why it was originally canceled then it was reinstated because of what he did afterwards )

“This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:23-35‬ ‭NIV‬‬

you still understand forgivness better that Jesus ?

“For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭NIV‬‬

believe jesus brother he knows God better than us he knows forgivness better than us he knows salvation better than us and he’s who can give life inheritance in his kingdom

Trust Jesus Cameron he inderrrsnds better than anyone else about God and forgivness and salvstion he wasn’t telling lies to those who believed in him but the truth

I believe these scripture In Matthew was talking about people under the law And we are ALL under law If we have not come to Christ and received mercy but once we have received mercy we then present our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice and renew our minds which Is our reasonable service.


Romans 12:1

King James Version

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
+++

Titus 2:11-14

King James Version

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I believe these scripture In Matthew was talking about people under the law And we are ALL under law If we have not come to Christ and received mercy but once we have received mercy we then present our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice and renew our minds which Is our reasonable service.


Romans 12:1

King James Version

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
+++

Titus 2:11-14

King James Version

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Yeah I agree but everyone has tbe right to think what they will brother the thing with that arguement is this

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus says the same thing to everyone that he taught them his words are the new covenant and his blood is shed for remission of sins according to his words.that’s where grace is found that teaches us to repent and live upright and wait for Jesus return grace isn’t an excuse for us to reject his judgements

The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;



John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins….. Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 4, 14-15



“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears…… And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19, 21, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:2‬ ‭



“For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭2:13‬ ‭



“And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:54‬ ‭KJV‬‬



“And he arose from thence, and cometh into the coasts of Judæa by the farther side of Jordan: and the people resort unto him again; and, as he was wont, he taught them again.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:1‬ ‭



“And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: and he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:1-2‬ ‭



“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them. “

‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1-2KJV‬

 

[Wansvic]

I John 1:7 says that for those who are walking in the light (believers), the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses (Greek present tense = ongoingly, continually) them from all sin (sin is actually singular here in the Greek = each and every sin).

I grew up thinking that I needed to verbally confess every sin that I committed to God in order to be forgiven. I thought that if I sinned, God put a big red X on my record and I was doomed to hell unless I repented and confessed the sin. As you can easily conclude, I did not have assurance of salvation. I had my concept of God mixed up with the Devil: the Devil is the "accuser of the brethren."

Now I have come to believe that for the believer who is hanging on to Jesus (believing) and his blood atonement, the blood of Jesus ongoingly, continually is cleansing them from every sin they might commit.

Hallelujah! for Jesus and the cross!

A believers sin is forgiven upon obedience to God's command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. (Acts 2:38) Old things are past away, all things become new. (2 Cor. 5:17) Sins committed after one's rebirth are forgiven upon confession. (1 John 1:7-9)




"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38


"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Cor 5:17


"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:7-9

 

[Beckworth]

I John 1:7 says that for those who are walking in the light (believers), the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses (Greek present tense = ongoingly, continually) them from all sin (sin is actually singular here in the Greek = each and every sin).

I grew up thinking that I needed to verbally confess every sin that I committed to God in order to be forgiven. “


This is remarkable you are quoting from a teaching that’s literally teaching us to confess our sins promising forgivness , as an argument as to why we don’t need to confess our sins ?

I mean you could literally just read the paragraph you had it right before when you were growing up

“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:7-10‬ ‭NIV‬‬

you had it right whoever taught you that before.

And remember Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8? He had just been baptized and when he committed a sin, Peter said he would “PERISH”. Unless he repented and prayed for forgiveness. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Beckworth]

Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His na

the INSTANT that you place the FAITH God give you in the SIN FFERING by Jesus on the cross, and you're indwelled by the Holy Spirit.[/QUOTE

the INSTANT that you place the FAITH God give you in the SIN FFERING by Jesus on the cross, and you're indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

the INSTANT that you place the FAITH God give you in the SIN FFERING by Jesus on the cross, and you're indwelled by the Holy Spirit.

I disagree with Mr. Carabbio. This needs to be answered —like—EVERY Bible question— with SCRIPTURE; and it can’t be answered by just one verse. Psalms 129:160 says “The SUM of your word is truth.” That means if you really want to know what “the truth” is, you will look at everything the Bible has to say about that subject and “ADD” it all together —the SUM. Then you will 1) know everything God has to say about that subject and 2) you will have THE TRUTH on that subject. It works with ANY Bible subject. Look at ALL GOD HAS TO SAY—look at the EVIDENCE; before you decide on an answer.

So let’s do that with the subject of SALVATION. Let’s look at ANY scripture that talks about or is connected to salvation. We may not be able to quote everyone here on this site because of time and space but we can get an idea. If you look at 5 or 6 key scriptures that talk about salvation, you should get a pretty good idea about what God expects of us and any others that we might have missed would only agree with the ones we have found because we know the Bible does NOT contradict itself.

Now what happens if you find two scriptures that seem to disagree with each other; maybe even CONTRADICT each other? Then there is something wrong with our understanding; it’s not God or the Bible that has it wrong—it’s man—it’s us. We must believe that God nor the Bible makes mistakes and we know God does not lie, we must trust what He/it Says.

1) BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Acts 16:30. There are many, many scriptures that connect “faith” with salvation. Too many to list all of them, but we all know they are there. This is the FIRST thing you must do—you must BELIEVE.

However, we have a WARNING from God about “faith.” James 2:24 says we are NOT saved by “faith only.” That right there should tell us that God is saying there are OTHER things that go along with faith.

2) Repentance. Acts 2:38- “REPENT and be baptized for the remission of sins…” Acts 17:30 God COMMANDS everyone to REPENT. Luke 13:3,5 REPENT OR PERISH. So, we MUST add “repentance” to our list of things that are necessary to salvation.

3) CONFESSION. Romans 10:10 links confession to salvation. Jesus also says if we don’t confess Christ, Christ will deny us to God. Matthew 10:32. The Bible says Confession is absolutely necessary.

4) Baptism. I know you will disagree but look at what God says in the Bible. First of all, Jesus says it saves us along with faith ( which we have already seen as part of salvation), in Mark 16:16. And then God says it saves us in 1 Peter 3:21. Don’t argue with God. —or Jesus.
Like faith, there are many other scriptures and EXAMPLES showing that baptism saves us.

Any other verses dealing with salvation should SUPPORT these verses, because there are NO contradictions in the Bible and ALL of the Bible is true.

We are NOT saved by just one verse nor are we saved by just “one” thing. “Add”. It all up. Get the “Sum” of what God says. Get ( buy) the TRUTH and do not “sell” it. Hold on to it!

The reason I disagree with Mr. Carabbio is because the Bible plainly says there is more than just “faith”. Necessary for salvation. In fact, it warns that salvation is not by faith alone., which is what Mr. Carabbio is teaching. Also, there is no scripture that says the minute we believe we are “in dwelled by the Holy Spirit” In fact, the Bible says we get the Holy Spirit when we are baptized for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38. That’s how the Bible says He dwells in us.

Looking at the evidence of SCRIPTURE, I would say we get the forgiveness of sins at the moment we are baptized FOR THE REMISSION IF SINS. At that moment, our sins are WASHED AWAY Acts 22:16. The apostle Peter says we are “saved” 1 Peter 3:21 and JESUS THE SON OF GOD SAYS WE ARE SAVED. Mark 16:16. I must put my faith in what God says in the Bible regardless of what men teach.

 

[tourist]

Jesus forgave all sins, past, present, and future when he died on the cross.

 

[tourist]

I've already been judged at the cross. I was found faultless.

Me too. The shed blood of Jesus washed away my sins.

 

[NightTwister]

I John 1:7 says that for those who are walking in the light (believers), the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses (Greek present tense = ongoingly, continually) them from all sin (sin is actually singular here in the Greek = each and every sin).

I grew up thinking that I needed to verbally confess every sin that I committed to God in order to be forgiven. I thought that if I sinned, God put a big red X on my record and I was doomed to hell unless I repented and confessed the sin. As you can easily conclude, I did not have assurance of salvation. I had my concept of God mixed up with the Devil: the Devil is the "accuser of the brethren."

Now I have come to believe that for the believer who is hanging on to Jesus (believing) and his blood atonement, the blood of Jesus ongoingly, continually is cleansing them from every sin they might commit.

Hallelujah! for Jesus and the cross!

I grew up in a church that taught the same (maybe the same one). I still struggle from time to time with this even though I know it's wrong.

 

[Cameron143]

“For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:9‬ ‭

Ephesians 2:1-3.

 

[HeIsHere]

Cameron believes man doesn’t have a choice in any part of their eternal destination.

That would be correct, they can only response in unbelief due their inherited sinful nature from birth, unless God provides His irresistible Grace to believe.

So some are "specially" appointed to salvation and others are left in their sins.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus word Will changes bekievers and leads to wonderful peace

Amen!

 

[HeIsHere]

The very moment we trust in Jesus genuinely,

Yes that is the condition that God has made.
Believe in, Trust in, Have faith in
People are not born incapable of responding to the power and truth inherent in the Gospel.