For the believer, when does God forgive sins?

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Chester said:
I grew up thinking that "confession" was saying the right words. But the word for "confess" here is homologeo which means literally "to say the same thing as" or to agree with. The person who says words like "I am sorry," but in his heart does not agree with God about the sin is not really "confessing" at all. Hence confession is firstly and primarily an attitude of the heart, that will show in the words that we say: but it is the heart attitude (of agreeing with God that sin is wrong) that is the basis for forgiveness of sins.
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I really appreciate you saying this. I had never looked up the word myself, but have posted
that very definition still the same, going back a few years here. I found some of them:

One Two Three Four Five Six Seven Eight .<= each of those number words is a link .:D

You have not been very active lately, I have noticed. I hope you are well!
 
Magenta said:
But you have maintained that unbelief is not an unforgivable sin. I am just trying to understand
why you keep saying that. I mean I get it that we were all unbelievers at some point and accessed
the forgiveness made available by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.
So it is forgiven once we repent. But it remains unforgiven if one remains in unbelief, which you
agree with even though there is only one unforgivable sin, and you claim that is not it.
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Ok. But people in unbelief are not saved. Had they in their lifetime come to believe, their former unbelief would have been forgiven.

Simply because it can be forgiven doesn't mean it was.
 
Cameron143 said:
Again, more circles. I never said anyone doesn't have a chance. That's your misunderstanding of my position.

Grace and peace.
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I understand your position brother I have for thirty years now . You disagree with what the lord and savior said about almost everything like for instance forgivness

This to you is a circle

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to me this is Jesus my lord and savior telling mankind about God and forgivness in his kingdom and sayong repeatedly anyone who believes will be saved anyone who doesn’t believe will be damned

thats not a circle it’s point a to point be a short direct line believe what Jesus said and you’ll know the truth

lol the circle is when you hear what Jesus said about forgivness , reject it and then wrote a king explaination of why what Jesus said about forgivness is wrong

i mean a circle ?

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


who’s going to tell Jesus Gods son the woth or of life and salvetion , about how Gods children are forgiven and call his teachings a circle avoiding the real truth ? Who’s going to correct Jesus the lord about forgivness ? Repentance ? Salvstion ?

I don’t think I have any other arguments to make I think fundamentally one of us is willing to accept what the lord said and the other isn’t and I think it’s transparent
 
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Cameron143 said:
Ok. But people in unbelief are not saved. Had they in their lifetime come to believe, their former unbelief would have been forgiven.

Simply because it can be forgiven doesn't mean it was.
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That brings up a question in regard to belief. It doesn't seem to necessarily be always static. So, if someone can be an unbeliever and then believe, once someone believes, why isn't it possible that they cannot 'unbelieve'? Or is that the distinction of belief from faith?
 
Cameron143 said:
Sure. Everyone comes into the world dead in trespasses and sins.
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You were found faultless being judged at the cross. That was before you were born.
How is this reconciled? Is it that God knew you would repent and they would not?
 
Pilgrimshope said:
Cameron believes man doesn’t have a choice in any part of thier eternal destination.
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I believe man is responsible for his own destruction. You don't understand my position, and you believe I refuse to accept what you believe the scripture is teaching, but to make such a charge is false. That isn't my position.
This is why I left the discussion with you. I could make claims that you don't believe in grace because you make man responsible for keeping his salvation. I don't even though that's the logical outcome of man having to maintain certain performance standards to make heaven their eternal destination.

Again thanks for the discussion and grace and peace.
 
Cameron143 said:
You don't understand my position, and you believe I refuse to accept what you believe the scripture is teaching, but to make such a charge is false. That isn't my position. This is why I left the discussion.
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It pains me to see you two at such odds with each other over such a long period of time...

:cry:
 
Cameron143 said:
I believe man is responsible for his own destruction. You don't understand my position, and you believe I refuse to accept what you believe the scripture is teaching, but to make such a charge is false. That isn't my position.
This is why I left the discussion with you. I could make claims that you don't believe in grace because you make man responsible for keeping his salvation. I don't even though that's the logical outcome of man having to maintain certain performance standards to make heaven their eternal destination.

Again thanks for the discussion and grace and peace.
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“I believe man is responsible for his own destruction. You don't understand my position, and you believe I refuse to accept what you believe the scripture is teaching, but to make such a charge is false. That isn't my position.

yeah because you agree with what it’s tesching

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Im not sure that’s coming from what I think it seems like it’s what the lord said ……but again I’m persecuting the martyrs of grace , by talking about Christs doctrine
 
Magenta said:
You were found faultless being judged at the cross. That was before you were born.
How is this reconciled? Is it that God knew you would repent and they would not?
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I'll try to answer when I have time.
 
Cameron143 said:
I'll try to answer when I have time.
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Speak freely with your beloved sister in Christ brother , I’ll stop interrupting you and being so disruptive ……believe it or not everything I said in this discussion to you is coming from a place of true brotherly love in Christ , for you personally because i felt so close to you at one point.

i know it doesn’t feel that way , and you might not totally believe what I’m saying now but you are on my prayers , and as I’ve said a few times , our discussion was never about whether you are saved or enter you belong to God in Christ …..but about correct doctrine that we should learn because we are believers in him

God bless brother
 
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Pilgrimshope said:
“I believe man is responsible for his own destruction. You don't understand my position, and you believe I refuse to accept what you believe the scripture is teaching, but to make such a charge is false. That isn't my position.

yeah because you agree with what it’s tesching

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Im not sure that’s coming from what I think it seems like it’s what the lord said ……but again I’m persecuting the martyrs of grace , by talking about Christs doctrine
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Here's an example of what I'm talking about. The above verses teach a principle that functionally if we expect the blessings of fellowship with God through the forgiveness of sins then we should also be forgiving others their trespasses.

What it cannot mean is that an individual has forgiven every offense ever made against them because no one has done this. If it means as you suggest, everyone would go to hell.

Do you know anyone who has ever forgiven every offense?
 
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Cameron143 said:
We disagree on scripture, not on our concern for one another.
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I'm not even really sure you essentially disagree with each other... you just have different ways of expressing the same thing using Scripture to back your viewpoints of what it means to be obedient... Or maybe I just don't understand the disconnect...
 
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