First time preaching !! :D

[icemanx2117]

most of the quotes were from timothy 1 and 2 and titus.

the comman misconseption with most chrisitans is that everything in the old testement is over written y.by that in the new testement - this is only relevent to wot u have said above, as far as i am aware, or so far, i have quoted nothing from the OT so far anyway

i realise that women watched...that is a pointless statement, as i was aware of this, but thanks

ur pastor may be a great woman, so be it. i just feel that women preacher r unbiblical. there have been many threads on this, and i was just pointing it out incase the OP didnt know.

i see know wrong in a woman being head od a sunday school. prayin out loud is okay also, as long as no men r present. My mum prays out loud for the two of us, if there is no males present. ( which is not that often) but if there is a male present the woman should be quite.

what if someone comes up to you and wants you to pray for them? would you turn that person away and say no i can't or if your praying for someone and a guy walks in you would just stop praying for that person no offense but does that seem right

John 8:36 (New International Version) So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.




Jesus Has set you free but the question is do you feel free?

 

[Kathleen]

what if someone comes up to you and wants you to pray for them? would you turn that person away and say no i can't or if your praying for someone and a guy walks in you would just stop praying for that person no offense but does that seem right

John 8:36 (New International Version) So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.




Jesus Has set you free but the question is do you feel free?

corse i feel free. The son of God, the son of being that created me, has died for me.

as for praying for someone is diffrent than taking authority and talking in the house of God.

if someone asked me to pray for them, i would wuite happily do it , in my head, if a male walks in while i am praying in my head, i continue to pray. And of a male were to walk in, during a prayer i was saying out loud, i would not no if it was a man or not, coz my eyes would be closed and i would be consintrating on wot i was saying to God.

 

[icemanx2117]

corse i feel free. The son of God, the son of being that created me, has died for me.

as for praying for someone is diffrent than taking authority and talking in the house of God.

if someone asked me to pray for them, i would wuite happily do it , in my head, if a male walks in while i am praying in my head, i continue to pray. And of a male were to walk in, during a prayer i was saying out loud, i would not no if it was a man or not, coz my eyes would be closed and i would be consintrating on wot i was saying to God.

wait if someone said pray for me you would stand in front of that person and pray in your head and not out loud for that person so then how could that person receive anything from that prayer if you don't say it out loud

 

[Kathleen]

no if someone said pray for me, i would go home and oray for them.
a prayer is a prayer, whether it is out loud or not

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

Hey guys, just a little prayer request, I'll be preaching as a youth pastor to my youth group for the FIRST time this Friday, I'm only 17 so this is my big chance to show what I've got, I really what to be a minister when I'm older, I'd really appreciate your prayers that I touch ALOT of hearts with the light of Jesus this Friday, All Glory to God, I really hope I do our wonderful FATHER justice that night, I'll be preaching about not faking it as a Christian and to JUMP OFF THE FENCE and pick the right side ,

Thanks everyone, God Bless.

I'll be praying, but remember to remain humble...it's about God that's it.

Take a look at 1 Corinthians 14:33-36 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. what? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

See there, Paul didn't say it, he QUESTIONED it. He was responding to a letter the Corinthians wrote him.
Paul also said ''came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?''. Why? Because the word of God didn't come out from them, God wrote it Himself. It didn't come only unto men, but also unto women. Not to mention, all throughout the Bible, it says ''whosoever hath an ear, let him hear''. ''Him'' there doesn't mean literally him, it means whoever. There's a difference in a pastor and a preacher as well. A pastor is the head of the church, a preacher sits under God and the pastor. A woman shouldn't be a pastor no, for she's to be in submission of God first, and then also to man. She can preach though, as she's under him.

Also, as for Ben: I agree with your post sir. I know that Kathleen means well I'm sure, and she might mean it out of love what she says...however it doesn't come out in a loving manner. Keep taking a stand Ben, I'm sure God's proud of you for that. I mean we're to handle things in a loving, but firm way...stand firm in our beliefs, and if they differ from others that's okay...agree to disagree rather than tare others down...for we don't know what the Lord has shown or told them. Be loving in how we say things.

Remember 1 Corinthians 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up.

Numbers 6:24-26 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, bad be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Now Ben, I want you to know...that wasn't meant towards you in that manner....you get what I mean...anyhow, God bless.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

no if someone said pray for me, i would go home and oray for them.
a prayer is a prayer, whether it is out loud or not

Not really, for we're told in James 5:14-16 Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the LORD; and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

So what, we shouldn't obey God's word? I disagree, we're instructed to gather around the sick, lay hands on them, and pray. Also, to confess one to another, brothers and sisters in Christ our faults...or sins...we're to help one another through prayer, and encourage them in the word of God.

So while God hears prayer aloud or not aloud, we are to pray over others. The power of God is in us, and moves in others as well.

 

[icemanx2117]

Hey guys, just a little prayer request, I'll be preaching as a youth pastor to my youth group for the FIRST time this Friday, I'm only 17 so this is my big chance to show what I've got, I really what to be a minister when I'm older, I'd really appreciate your prayers that I touch ALOT of hearts with the light of Jesus this Friday, All Glory to God, I really hope I do our wonderful FATHER justice that night, I'll be preaching about not faking it as a Christian and to JUMP OFF THE FENCE and pick the right side ,

Thanks everyone, God Bless.

Wow all this just cause Yachiru was excited about ministering to her youth group I encourage you Yachiru continue to walk in the ways of the Lord there is a lot of ministry to be done
John 10:27 (King James Version)


My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me


Meaning if you have a hunger to teach youth thats great cause God has put that desire in you then one day if your church makes you a youth pastor that great just Follow God and not man or Woman Don't Get caught in no religious stuff cause religion is bad its about having a true relationship with God

 

[Yachiru]

Wow... seriously.. wow.

 

[Yachiru]

Kathleen, I'd just like to say I really do appreciate your love for god and how passionately you debate for him, I'd just like to clear up that at the moment, Even though I am a Youth Pastor I actually serve under our churches head youth pastor If that makes sense, I treat HIM as my senior and am quite comfortable in doing so, I do believe that The LORD has placed males above us, and I would never dare to argue him, BUT I do know that In Prayer the LORD has spoke to me and revealed to me that I MUST teach the children of HIS (after all it's never truly mine) youth group, and I must use my gifts to enlighten them with all the LORD shows me,I treat His word as my law but when he speaks to me I must listen to him
I really appreciate all that have prayed for me, thank you all so much
I pray god blesses you all and heals any bruised ego's this may have caused xD

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

Yachiru, don't worry...on another thread on this site...something against abortion or something like that...Kathleen said and I quote her ''I stood up and preached to my class about this subject today'' end quote. Therefore, she's being a hypocrite telling you not to preach. Doesn't matter if she didn't mean literally preaching, because she portrayed it as just that. Also, to preach technically defined, means to spread and share the word of God. So we all preach in reality.

Worry not about what others say, worry only about what the Lord tells you to do. Also, seems like she's the only one on here that has or had an issue with it. Everyone else seems to be approving and willing to pray for you. Also, lastly...what I was saying, just for the record, was in your defense as well as Ben's. I'm on your side...I've been told I'm called to preach, but hey who knows...I have always felt I was, since I was a child...I was taught against it though. Then God showed me the truth, and what His Word says in the proper and original context.

Stay strong in your faith, and may God bless you so abundantly.

 

[Kathleen]

Yachiru, don't worry...on another thread on this site...something against abortion or something like that...Kathleen said and I quote her ''I stood up and preached to my class about this subject today'' end quote. Therefore, she's being a hypocrite telling you not to preach. Doesn't matter if she didn't mean literally preaching, because she portrayed it as just that. Also, to preach technically defined, means to spread and share the word of God. So we all preach in reality.

Worry not about what others say, worry only about what the Lord tells you to do. Also, seems like she's the only one on here that has or had an issue with it. Everyone else seems to be approving and willing to pray for you. Also, lastly...what I was saying, just for the record, was in your defense as well as Ben's. I'm on your side...I've been told I'm called to preach, but hey who knows...I have always felt I was, since I was a child...I was taught against it though. Then God showed me the truth, and what His Word says in the proper and original context.

Stay strong in your faith, and may God bless you so abundantly.

i belive there is a differnce in preaching infron of non-belivers, in a school. and preaching to non-belivers in church, the house of the Lord.

Kathleen, I'd just like to say I really do appreciate your love for god and how passionately you debate for him, I'd just like to clear up that at the moment, Even though I am a Youth Pastor I actually serve under our churches head youth pastor If that makes sense, I treat HIM as my senior and am quite comfortable in doing so, I do believe that The LORD has placed males above us, and I would never dare to argue him, BUT I do know that In Prayer the LORD has spoke to me and revealed to me that I MUST teach the children of HIS (after all it's never truly mine) youth group, and I must use my gifts to enlighten them with all the LORD shows me,I treat His word as my law but when he speaks to me I must listen to him
I really appreciate all that have prayed for me, thank you all so much
I pray god blesses you all and heals any bruised ego's this may have caused xD

okai

 

[oopsies]

Congrats! Will pray that things will go well for you. I too am just starting one and have been unsure quite often on the preparation, the worries if anyone will show up, if the message I prepare will be good enough, if anyone would even want to listen to it, etc.

@Kathleen & Vidy: Actually, the example used by Jesus between Mary and Martha in Luke 10:38-42 will probably explain things better. You're not wrong to quote those passages made by the apostles. However, there is actually a fairly direct instruction from Jesus to accept women in ministry. We can accept it if it came from Jesus himself, right? I am using the NIV and the translation makes it seem as if the passage is about worries over small things. It is only in the last verse where we are given the hint of what's really going on. The translation from The Message Bible illustrates it better because it plays down the emphasis on the kitchen work and the "worries" that Martha had:

Mary and Martha

38-40As they continued their travel, Jesus entered a village. A woman by the name of Martha welcomed him and made him feel quite at home. She had a sister, Mary, who sat before the Master, hanging on every word he said. But Martha was pulled away by all she had to do in the kitchen. Later, she stepped in, interrupting them. "Master, don't you care that my sister has abandoned the kitchen to me? Tell her to lend me a hand." 41-42The Master said, "Martha, dear Martha, you're fussing far too much and getting yourself worked up over nothing. One thing only is essential, and Mary has chosen it—it's the main course, and won't be taken from her."

Back then, the traditional way of doing things was that women did not participate in these small biblical discussions of any sort - not even to listen. It was a man's thing to do and if a woman wanted to know more about God, she would ask her husband or another man. Mary broke that rule while Martha did not. Essentially, she had abandoned Martha to tradition. So Martha criticized and asked Jesus to send Mary back inside to help her with whatever chores she was doing. Jesus' response was that Mary chose the right course of action - to listen and partake in the biblical discussions/teachings. It is the "main course." It is based on this event that many churches accept female preachers and teachers because Jesus included Mary in this man's-only activity. Not only was it a man's-only activity, but Jesus permitted her to participate in the discussions themselves! She was basically allowed to give input and ask questions because that was what those "mini-groups" did. Back in those days, it was unheard of - it was the equivalent of allowing a woman to minister to others! Why did some of the other apostles throw that out the window? Honestly, I'm not entirely sure because undoubtedly, they would have been aware of this incident. Perhaps it is really a cultural thing that they weren't able to get over. I mean, getting over hanging out with Samaritans was hard enough and let's not forget preaching the gospel to gentiles! Of all people - only Jews had God's covenant and here they were, instructed to preach to the gentiles!

Hope that clears it up for you and anyone else who may have been unsure about the whole women-preaching issue.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

i belive there is a differnce in preaching infron of non-belivers, in a school. and preaching to non-belivers in church, the house of the Lord.



okai

No, no, no, no it doesn't matter where you are, preaching is preaching. End of discussion.. You still had/have ''authority'' over the men in that class as you claim....as they were ''sitting under'' you as you claim as well. Now if God called on you and told you to do this thing, then it's not wrong, BUT you must be called by Him, and you must not be usurping the authority of the men.

Doesn't matter where you are, or what you're talking/preaching about. Still preaching. Anyhow, I won't argue with you. I have more important things to do and worry about than to argue none sense things. So God bless you.

 

[Kathleen]

No, no, no, no it doesn't matter where you are, preaching is preaching. End of discussion.. You still had/have ''authority'' over the men in that class as you claim....as they were ''sitting under'' you as you claim as well. Now if God called on you and told you to do this thing, then it's not wrong, BUT you must be called by Him, and you must not be usurping the authority of the men.

Doesn't matter where you are, or what you're talking/preaching about. Still preaching. Anyhow, I won't argue with you. I have more important things to do and worry about than to argue none sense things. So God bless you.

god bless u also...

but fyi ..we were all standing..i was jst infront of the class where eveyrone could see me

 

[cookie39]

hi there, i will be praying that u do touch a lot of heart with the light of jesus on friday.

however - do u know it is unbiblical for a woman to be a minster/pastor in a church?

that is not true Apostel Paul never said that he suffer a woman not to teach in a church, if you open your spiritual eyes and ears you will see he was talking about a husband and wife all through hisepistles to the churches,,,, read the verse in its context of the full chapter and close your years to the teaching and doctrine of man.

 

[Stand_Up_4_God]

god bless u also...

but fyi ..we were all standing..i was jst infront of the class where eveyrone could see me

Still preaching LOL you can't be right....preaching is preaching. I still respect you and your right to believe whatever you want. God bless.

 

[Kathleen]

i do feel there is a diffrence so i do still feel that i am right, i respect wot u belive as u respect my belefs
God Bless
Kath x

 

[Kathleen]

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant

The bible is quite clear on this subject, in the new testement even more so. People can not choice what they do and do not wnat to belive out of the bible, from front to back we should all try to obey as much as we can.

Man was put on Earth, nameing all the animals and such, ...then came women. Also Eve ate the apple first , women can be decived more - im sure it says somethin about that in the bible somewhere although i can not say an exact quote and where to find it.

I have 5 brothers and my dad to ask for refrence to anything. I firmily belive that women should not talk in the Church and thats the reason its in the bible. God obviously wants it that way, and thats how it should be.

 

[megsie]

i have read a lot of comments u make on forums kathleen and have held my tongue for a while but i have noticed u say "i am right" a lot! you also come across in an incredibly harsh and distrespectful way. for someone who is so passionate about God you seem to have forgotten the compassion a little! i def admire your faith and how strong your beliefs are but don't forget not everybody is going to have the same views as you and pushing them on people probably isn't going to make people believe the same things as you!

 

[Kathleen]

i do realise that i say 'i am right' sometimes, thats because i belive i am. i jst dont understad how people can interpret the bible in such a weird way - its in black and white
-women should remain silent in church -

i mean how can it be any other way?!