Faith/Works...How much faith? How much works?
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Not a single thing can damn a born again believer. If any works play a part in the retention of our salvation then it's not a free gift after all, and grace does not apply.
Amen, I will accept that shoe. I am weak, but He is strong. That doesn't buy me the right to begin living in a state of active willful rebellion against Him, though.
One should live a life pleasing to the Lord. My beef is with hypocrites with logs in their eyes.
WRONG QUESTION - The question is whether I recognize my need to go before the Lord each day in humble contrition and don't let the sun go down upon my wrath.
It was absolutely the right question. If you sin every day, week, month, and year you are a habitual sinner no matter how you spin it. You are yet another preacher of works for salvation. A deadly mixture that is another gospel. One that cannot save.
Hebrews
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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that's what I call playing loose and fast with the word of God
Christians are not habitual sinners. certainly not positional and if in day to day living sin is your habitual walk, it's not looking good
walk in the spirit does not mean sin habitually...which would be on purpose
let the insults fly...that's habitual also it seems
Christians are not habitual sinners. certainly not positional and if in day to day living sin is your habitual walk, it's not looking good
walk in the spirit does not mean sin habitually...which would be on purpose
let the insults fly...that's habitual also it seems
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it is my understanding some folks here believe that if that happens?
then it means you were never a part of the body of Christ in the first place
now see how easy that is? no condemnation and no worries
in fact, some folks believe Hebrews should not be a part of the canon...not sure about anyone here, but I do know that some believe that
that's what I call playing loose and fast with the word of God
Christians are not habitual sinners. certainly not positional and if in day to day living sin is your habitual walk, it's not looking good
walk in the spirit does not mean sin habitually...which would be on purpose
let the insults fly...that's habitual also it seems
I agree with what you are saying. The reason I prefer the word 'willful' is because it seems that some who have been lifelong addicts do not always get automatic release on the purefully physical level. At least not at first.
What are your thoughts on this section of Romans 7?
7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Make no mistake these people have no problem saying others are doomed to hell and leading
others there. This is the problem of making a mountain out of a small issue. And the more
they speak the more they believe they are speaking the truth. But it is just hard hearts with
cynicism and disdain for the people of God and His word.
But they are a warning of what happens when you shipwreck your faith, and are more concerned
with others position and not ones own heart and walking in Jesus ways. Sin eats us alive, and
makes us convinced we know we are right, when in our very anger we are sinning and destroying
the very words we are speaking.
Budman, my question is what sin are you talking about.
I ask because I am not aware of daily sinning in the way you describe.
Maybe I am too sheltered and do not have enough interactions with others, but
I need to know whether I am deluded and a lost sinner or you are an OCD sinner who
does not know what God has declared in Christ.
Imagine this, I live a quiet life, working by myself, praising God and progressing my
projects. Where is my sin? I am cleansed and purified in Christ, I rejoice in His blessing
and know His presence. So what is the sin you are talking about?
I wonder if you are talking about attitudes of the heart, anger, frustration and simple
disrespect of others, which talks of a heart that is not cleansed. I have been there and
I know what this feels like. But Jesus can meet us, and help us change through obedience,
through our walk, being yoked to Him. God bless you
Your theology is based on your personal experience. Mine is based on scripture. That is the difference between us.
If you and I are slaves to sin, WE ARE NOT SAVED. You want scripture?
Romans 6:17- But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Notice the tense. So if I am a servant of sin, Romans 6:17 doesn't apply to me. I am not saved.
Does Romans 6:17 apply to you? I answered your question, now your turn, Bud.
I base my theology on the book of Romans, not the book of Bud's scripture twisting.
Romans 6:17- But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Notice the tense. Destroys your argument in six words. (words in red.)
People who are saved WERE servants of sin. No longer.
Sound theology is based on scripture.
If you and I are servants of sin, Romans 6:17 doesn't apply to us. We would not be Romans 6:17 Christians.
Don't base your theology on what you see (experience). Base it on SCRIPTURE,
THE ONLY SOLID FOUNDATION.
Yes, that is what Bud is basically saying. We are all servants of sin, even though Romans 6:17 says WE WERE servants of sin. Making Romans 6:17 non applicable to us.
that's what I call playing loose and fast with the word of God
Christians are not habitual sinners. certainly not positional and if in day to day living sin is your habitual walk, it's not looking good
walk in the spirit does not mean sin habitually...which would be on purpose
let the insults fly...that's habitual also it seems
Very habitual with a certain group around here.