Faith is a work.

[preston39]

John 10:28 -And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

God maintains salvation, not man

that is my point

In context...that is after G-d has declared..."saved". That is only accomplished after death and when judged by G-d.

Man must maintain his salvation. He is the one who can loose G-d's gift. Why does the Bible say...."maintain until the end"...speaking of righteousness.
Don't be led by new, new age religion interpretations of the Bible. Research is showing that most of which is since the 1960's.
Check it out yourself. Rely on scripture and not someone else's opinion...including mine.
Be blessed.

 

[dcontroversal]

In context...that is after G-d has declared..."saved". That is only accomplished after death and when judged by G-d.

Man must maintain his salvation. He is the one who can loose G-d's gift. Why does the Bible say...."maintain until the end"...speaking of righteousness.
Don't be led by new, new age religion interpretations of the Bible. Research is showing that most of which is since the 1960's.
Check it out yourself. Rely on scripture and not someone else's opinion...including mine.
Be blessed.

This view is not only false, but also does not come from one led by God......

 

[Jackson123]

You have to believe in Jesus correct? Isn't believing an action, a verb, like what Jackson has pointed out? What are you objecting to?

Unless of course, you believe in universalism?

Yep believing is verb,

I do believe in Jesus

In grammar standpoint I am doing something

But is doing good save you?

No, you never able to do good (God standard good)

Jesus say branch can not bear fruit of itself

Mean branch or us can not doing good from ourself

But if we abide in Him, we will produce fruit

Example

Stephen, after abide in Him he produce love to the point, pray for his enemy that kill him.

I believe what Jesus say, branch or us, can not produce that kind of love of ourselve

 

[Guojing]

Yep believing is verb,

I do believe in Jesus

In grammar standpoint I am doing something

But is doing good save you?

No, you never able to do good (God standard good)

Jesus say branch can not bear fruit of itself

Mean branch or us can not doing good from ourself

But if we abide in Him, we will produce fruit

Example

Stephen, after abide in Him he produce love to the point, pray for his enemy that kill him.

I believe what Jesus say, branch or us, can not produce that kind of love of ourselve

As I have already stated to you, if you agree that to "believe" is the only work we need to do to be saved and stay saved, then we agree on the same principle of salvation.

 

[Jackson123]

In context...that is after G-d has declared..."saved". That is only accomplished after death and when judged by G-d.

Man must maintain his salvation. He is the one who can loose G-d's gift. Why does the Bible say...."maintain until the end"...speaking of righteousness.
Don't be led by new, new age religion interpretations of the Bible. Research is showing that most of which is since the 1960's.
Check it out yourself. Rely on scripture and not someone else's opinion...including mine.
Be blessed.

Are you talking about 2 Peter 2:20-22

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[Jackson123]

As I have already stated to you, if you agree that to "believe" is the only work we need to do to be saved and stay saved, then we agree on the same principle of salvation.

Yep, we have to believe to be save

Try to do good will fail, all we do is believe or abide in Jesus, than we bear fruit or doing good out of His power, not our power. As product of our salvation,

 

[Pisteuo]

Those would be the unsaved. Not foreordained not predestined.

Yep believing is verb,

I do believe in Jesus

In grammar standpoint I am doing something

But is doing good save you?

No, you never able to do good (God standard good)

Jesus say branch can not bear fruit of itself

Mean branch or us can not doing good from ourself

But if we abide in Him, we will produce fruit

Example

Stephen, after abide in Him he produce love to the point, pray for his enemy that kill him.

I believe what Jesus say, branch or us, can not produce that kind of love of ourselve

Yup, "believe, believer, and believing" are verbs. Corresponding verbs to the noun Belief, not the noun Faith. They are also mistranslations.

The Greek word pisteuo couldn't be correctly translated into the English language. Pisteuo is the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis. Pistis is where we get our noun Faith. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

The words the English language should have had for the translators to translate pisteuo are, faithe, faithing, and faither.

A verb, or pisteuo, is an act, "based upon a Belief", sustained by confidence.

So you can see that believe, believer, and believing are a part of NT saving Faith or faithing, but taken on there own is error.

What specifically is pisteuo or NT saving Faith?

Vines Greek dictionary: " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The mistranslated words also change the object of Faithing from God Himself, a real living person, to God's word and the promises in His word. Big difference!

 

[Pisteuo]

The Greek doesn't allow work or effort to be separated from pisteuo or NT saving Faith. Only the mistranslated words believe, believer, and believing, demand that.

 

[PS]

Vines Greek dictionary: " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The mistranslated words also change the object of Faithing from God Himself, a real living person, to God's word and the promises in His word. Big difference!

Doesn't surrender mean the absence of any actions on our part?

 

[Pisteuo]

Doesn't surrender mean the absence of any actions on our part?

Pisteuo is three specific things.
1) The act, a Continually surrendered life.
2) based upon the belief that God will accept the surrendered life, maintain the surrendered life, keep the surrendered life, complete the surrendered life.
3) sustained by confidence by making all the hundreds of little daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

Pisteuo or NT saving Faith is 95% courage, 4% endurance, and 1% everything else.

Surrender is the specific action, every day all day!

 

[Jackson123]

Yup, "believe, believer, and believing" are verbs. Corresponding verbs to the noun Belief, not the noun Faith. They are also mistranslations.

The Greek word pisteuo couldn't be correctly translated into the English language. Pisteuo is the corresponding verb to the noun Pistis. Pistis is where we get our noun Faith. The English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Faith like the Greek does.

The words the English language should have had for the translators to translate pisteuo are, faithe, faithing, and faither.

A verb, or pisteuo, is an act, "based upon a Belief", sustained by confidence.

So you can see that believe, believer, and believing are a part of NT saving Faith or faithing, but taken on there own is error.

What specifically is pisteuo or NT saving Faith?

Vines Greek dictionary: " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The mistranslated words also change the object of Faithing from God Himself, a real living person, to God's word and the promises in His word. Big difference!

Thanks for the Good information, I never learn Greek, but it make sense

 

[Jackson123]

Doesn't surrender mean the absence of any actions on our part?

Kind of, but surrender it self is action.

So action to let other take over the action.

 

[PS]

Pisteuo is three specific things.
1) The act, a Continually surrendered life.
2) based upon the belief that God will accept the surrendered life, maintain the surrendered life, keep the surrendered life, complete the surrendered life.
3) sustained by confidence by making all the hundreds of little daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

Pisteuo or NT saving Faith is 95% courage, 4% endurance, and 1% everything else.

Surrender is the specific action, every day all day!

So faith is the absence of work.

 

[PS]

Kind of, but surrender it self is action.

So action to let other take over the action.

In an army setting where a soldier drops his gun, stops holding it, I don't really see that as work.

 

[cv5]

No.
On earth we are.....born again....not saved.
G-d determines if we are ...saved....at judgment, which is after physical death.

What you purport is heresy.....

John 5:24

"Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life."

 

[Jackson123]

In an army setting where a soldier drops his gun, stops holding it, I don't really see that as work.

In grammar stand point it is work, but normally people think work if you make money out of your action

Fore example

I am drinking

In grammar, it consider work, because I do something. In dayly life it not consider work

 

[PS]

In grammar stand point it is work, but normally people think work if you make money out of your action

Fore example

I am drinking

In grammar, it consider work, because I do something. In dayly life it not consider work

Faith is a noun.

faith noun
1. Absolute certainty in the trustworthiness of another:
belief, confidence, dependence, reliance, trust.

2. Mental acceptance of the truth or actuality of something:
belief, credence, credit.

3. A system of religious belief:
confession, creed, denomination, persuasion, religion, sect.

4. Those who accept and practice a particular religious belief:
church, communion, denomination, persuasion, sect.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/truth

 

[PS]

Pisteuo is three specific things.
1) The act, a Continually surrendered life.
2) based upon the belief that God will accept the surrendered life, maintain the surrendered life, keep the surrendered life, complete the surrendered life.
3) sustained by confidence by making all the hundreds of little daily decisions that support the fact that our lives are not ours anymore, but His now.

Pisteuo or NT saving Faith is 95% courage, 4% endurance, and 1% everything else.

Surrender is the specific action, every day all day!

G4102 pistis from G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

Total KJV occurrences: 244

 

[mailmandan]

Doesn't surrender mean the absence of any actions on our part? G4102 pistis from G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

Total KJV occurrences: 244

In Hebrews 11:1, we read that faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Now let's break down "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender." It sounds to me like Vines is mixing the fruit of faith with the essence of faith and "on the surface" that may appear to support salvation by works, which would explain why those who teach salvation by faith + works are very fond of that definition.

When we choose to believe in/have faith in Christ/reliance upon Jesus Christ for salvation (John 3:18; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8; Philippians 3:9) we are entrusting our spiritual well being to Christ, along with placing confidence, trust and reliance upon Him for salvation. That would be a personal surrender to Him.

The life inspired by such surrender which "follows" is the "fruit" of faith. Faith in Christ is the root of salvation and works which follow are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. If you believe in/have faith in/reliance upon Christ for salvation, then you are trusting in Him alone to save you. This belief/faith results in actions appropriate to the belief/faith (to one degree or the other/all genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful) - but the actions/works are NOT INHERENT in the belief/faith.

 

[fredoheaven]

I doubt G-d appreciates you declaring yourself...saved...before His judgement.
Your references are out of context.
Study the Bible carefully so G-d is not offended.

Scripture says it, so i beilieve it, basic english spelling says you are wrong. So, i really dont know what kind of "G_d" you have, also you didnt even come up with scripture to back tp your claim.