Faith and Trust in God…Is There a Translation Issue?

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newton3003

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The Bible talks about faith in God, and it also talks about trust in Him. Are the two words found in the same sentence in the Bible? Conceivably, in the New Testament whichever word is used may depend on the people that Jesus’ disciples were speaking to. The pagans may have been implored to have faith in God, since they lacked any such faith beforehand. On the other hand, the disciples hoped that the Hebrews would trust that Jesus was appointed by God as “the heir of all things” as told in Hebrews 1:2, and many of them did. In that sense, maybe, the Bible tells some of us to have faith in God, and it gives the rest of us a reason for putting our trust in Him.

What is faith, and what is trust? The Oxford Dictionary defines faith as a “Strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof”, and it defines trust as a “Firm belief in the reliability, truth, or ability of someone or something.” Regarding the latter, a firm belief is presumed to be based on something that is empirical and pragmatic, so it is based on an earthly pursuit. On the matter of faith, it is based on something lacking in immediate empirical evidence. For example, we know from the Bible that God did many wondrous things, but nobody’s actually seen Him do such things since. Most things we see around us can be explained away. To actually have faith in Him is to have a commitment to Him despite the fact that we’ve never actually directly seen Him or heard from Him.

We trust that the Bible, which was written thousands of years ago, still applies today, imploring us to have faith in the existence of God. Hebrews 11:1 says, “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” It’s interesting that faith is defined in Hebrews instead of one of the other books, say, of Romans, since the Hebrews already had faith in God’s existence. And we must presume that the translations of the Bible that exist for us are the best translations possible, given the revisions that have taken place over the centuries.

Faith can be seen to have a higher calling than trust, since it is directed on high, to someone we have not seen or heard and in our present state would be unlikely to see or hear Him. Faith is associated with godly spiritualness, and trust is justified by what has actually been laid before us. In that regard, if a translation of the bible is ever called into question, one must look at Proverbs 3:5 which says to TRUST in the Lord with all your heart. Perhaps a better translation would be to HAVE FAITH in God with all your heart, since it’s nearly impossible to put our trust in something in which we have neither the empirical evidence at hand to do so, nor can we, in our present state, ever have direct physical access to God.

Similarly, Jeremiah 17:7 says, “Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose trust is the Lord.” Should it read, ‘Blessed is the man who HAS FAITH in the Lord’? Is there a translation issue here?
 

Melach

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the misunderstanding of faith as just believing historical facts about Christ's death burial and resurrection has caused countless perhaps hundreds of millions to be sent into perdition in the after life. they never went through godly sorrow, no newness of life, but the pastor convinced them they were saved and expplained away all the passages that say otherwise.

faith as it was understood by the hebrews of the day and the early church meant faithfulness, steadfastness, trusting, being fully persuaded of, obeying.
faith is not passive as is taught today by misapplying romans 4:5. st.paul is talking about the works of the law, not obedience to the law of Christ. hebrews is a great book on the subject of faith, it is mentioned by faith noah built the ark, by faith he did something, that was not works or works salvation, it was beleiving what God said and doing it.
had noah disobeyed he would of perished with the rest of the people of his day.


brethren, if you believe and have faith in your boss, does that not show? or do you openly disobey your boss and claim faith belief? in the earthly we see, in the spiritual many deceivers have gone into the world. Lord Jesus open our minds and hearts to see the truth, lead us to righteousness.
 

CherieR

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Jeremiah 17:7 : "Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is."( KJV)

Depending on how the words are used, it can mean the same thing. One could say " have faith in God" or " Trust God in this situation you are facing" and both these statements are encouraging trust in God.
 

TM19782017

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I hate to look at this from a Hollywood movie lesson but, it was a very good movie with many lessons.

Remember Karate Kid from 1984?

Daniel had a desire and goal to learn Karate so he could know how to defend himself against the enemies.
What happened?
Mr Miyagi PROMISED to get him to where he wanted but, Mr Miyagi made Daniel promise him that he wouldn’t ask any questions......Daniel agreed.
What happened?
Daniel forgot Mr. Miyagi’s promise and lost faith in his ways of getting him to his goal....Daniel lost his patience and said, I am being your damn slave, I am out of here......He forced Mr. Miyagi to show him that not everything is as it seems and Daniel had no clue that what seemed like the wrong way, turned out to be exactly the right way.

When you have a dream that you know God put in your heart, protect it and don’t lose sight of the finish, regardless of how it seems that you are going in the wrong direction and wasting time.
If what you desire is worth the battle, you will soldier on and constantly remind yourself who is in control.
 

Mii

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Faith and trust "can" mean the same thing. I have faith that the cubs will win the world series Or...I trust the in the Cubs. They WILL win the world series, is the same statement.

In regards to the Lord it gets a little more muddled. I'm still figuring this out because faith has always been a thing for me, but my trust has lately been wavering. I believe (faith) the Lord will do as he says ultimately, because I have little ability to deny it despite looking at it any way I can for most of my life. As far as "how" he works it out, that is where trust comes in. To not just "believe" but to give him our everything. That is a daily thing and a lifelong discipline. It may be helpful to look at it like trusting your king/general in an army. He may not share his battle plans with you, and you may forever be a corporal in this life...but do you trust your King/leader?

I know it says in Hebrews 11 without faith it is impossible to please God and there seems to be a distinction between trust and faith.
My trust in the Lord has been brought to my attention, not my faith.

Do we trust the Lord with our lives? truly? If he told us to go and work in a diamond mine for 30 years as an indentured servant, it wouldn't be so much about faith, it'd be more about, Do I trust the Lord with my life? Do I trust his goodness? do I trust his love?
Do I trust his purpose and plan? If I disagree with a command, do I still trust my Lord and obey?

Trust can go deep. I know I have some trust issues and I feel like we all do if we look a little deeper, some more than others. I'm not going to get into reasons to mistrust (because that's between you and the Lord) but I think it's more productive and pleasing to him to focus on the reasons you do trust and allow the growth therein.

Faith and trust can be intertwined at times, but faith lends itself more toward belief to me and trust more toward obedience and confidence. They both seem to exist at a similar "T junction" if you will though.
 

Lanolin

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Faith can also mean loyalty, as in staying faithful. We stick with God, no matter what.