Ezekiel 28:13-15.....proof text that the "gap theory" is unbiblical.

[cv5]

Evidently, Satan was yet unfallen after Eden had already been created. The rebellion happened after Eden (and Adam, who preceded the creation of Eden) were created and established.

Ezekiel 28:13-15
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

 

[Aerials1978]

Lucifer still roams to and from the Earth. I don’t think this passage necessary indicates his fall was after Eden. It’s more of dynamic language of what he was created to be as opposed to what he became.

 

[Artios1]

I am pretty dense ...can you explain how this negates the gap event.

 

[John146]

Evidently, Satan was yet unfallen after Eden had already been created. The rebellion happened after Eden (and Adam, who preceded the creation of Eden) were created and established.

Ezekiel 28:13-15
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

The earth “that was” also had a garden of Eden. Lucifer was placed there having dominion over the earth as Adam would later. Lucifer rebelled because he wanted more. He wanted to exalt his throne above God.

 

[JTB]

Look at the relationship of time to eternity as a wheel instead of a line. With eternity in the hub and time running along the rim, you can see how God (and every creature in eternity) has access to all of time, all of the time (like randomly inserted spokes).

With this view, is it possible that while in eternity satan had access to all of time, yet when he fell, he entered time at the point of the fall?

This way, satan can be seen in heaven accusing the brethren throughout the realm of time, yet still be exiled to earth for all of time.

 

[Gideon300]

Evidently, Satan was yet unfallen after Eden had already been created. The rebellion happened after Eden (and Adam, who preceded the creation of Eden) were created and established.

I don't agree. Satan is called, "The serpent of old" in the book of Revelation. It is not clear exactly when he rebelled, but for certain it was prior to the creation of Adam and Eve.

The main thrust of gap theory is that the Genesis account is the restoration of a world destroyed as a result of Satan's rebellion. The means of the destruction was the first flood. Noah's was the second. Ezekiel's description of Eden does not match the Genesis account. Gap theory may not be correct, but Ezekiel 28 does not prove it one way or another.

 

[Rondonmon]

Evidently, Satan was yet unfallen after Eden had already been created. The rebellion happened after Eden (and Adam, who preceded the creation of Eden) were created and established.

Ezekiel 28:13-15
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

If you are referring to the Earth being 4.5 Billion years old via all "7 days" being NOT GAPS as you infer but actual YOWMS or 7 YOWMS (Time Periods) in which God is describing from His perspective (He created it all) time periods with the first day being 9.2 Billion years (from 13.7 billion years to 4.5 billion years, which equals the universes creation then the earth coming into existence) then the 2nd day would be a couple of billion years, then we get into the other days which are less and less until the last day is the creation of all land animals from about 350 million years BC to 300 million years BC until about 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve were created and God placed his Spirit in them, all men LIKE UNTO ADAM in the flesh before that, had not the Spirit of God, so Adam was thus the first Human Being create in God's Image. If God placed his Spirit in a Dog tomorrow, that dog would have intelligence, and an awareness of sin etc. all dogs before him would still be dogs. (that's what we call a demonstration).

So, if that is THE GAP you are speaking about, it would not matter if Satan was created and living on this earth, in the Garden of Eden or not, this earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is 13.7 billion years old.

 

[posthuman]

Evidently, Satan was yet unfallen after Eden had already been created. The rebellion happened after Eden (and Adam, who preceded the creation of Eden) were created and established.

Ezekiel 28:13-15
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

gap theory's claim is that this refers to a previous Eden, a mineral & spiritual creation, before vegetative & animal life.
over which Satan was as Adam, federal head over the angelic realm, and fell, and this creation was judged with a flood in-between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2 - explaining how the earth came to be darkness and void and covered with water in Genesis 1:2

briefly,

it arises because of the theological difficulty in answering "why would God create the earth in darkness, vanity and void?" when taking into account things like Isaiah 45:18 which says He did not create the earth to be formless ((or 'in vain' or 'empty' -- same word as 'formless' in Genesis 1:2 kjv)) -- and Jeremiah 4:23, which describes the earth being in darkness, formless and void ((same phrase as Genesis 1:2)) in the context of the earth having been judged.


so -- the fact that the word 'Eden' is in Ezekiel 28 doesn't categorically 'prove' anything about gap theory. it's part of gap theory, because part of gap theory is the idea that the Adamic Eden is not the first Eden - using the same text to make the case that it cannot be.

you can disagree with it, for sure - it's speculative. but i don't agree that simply quoting Ezekiel 28, which is also one of gap theory's proof-texts, nullifies it. where & when did Satan walk among the fiery stones ((Ezekiel 28:14, 16))? the Eden in Genesis 2-3 is not full of fiery stones, but all kinds of vegetation, which happens to not be very compatible with fiery stones, at all - but this is what the anointed cherub was cast out of.

 

[ewq1938]

This could be a reference to an older Eden, not the one God planted for Adam.In the gap theory, God made the Earth long ago, then satan fell and God destroyed the world (things on the surface not the entire planet) and then re-made it so naturally Eden would have to be re-created as well.

Also, satan is the serpent from the start of the Genesis 2 Eden story. He is never the loyal Cherub in it.

Evidently, Satan was yet unfallen after Eden had already been created. The rebellion happened after Eden (and Adam, who preceded the creation of Eden) were created and established.

Ezekiel 28:13-15
You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

 

[Gideon300]

If you are referring to the Earth being 4.5 Billion years old via all "7 days" being NOT GAPS as you infer but actual YOWMS or 7 YOWMS (Time Periods) in which God is describing from His perspective (He created it all) time periods with the first day being 9.2 Billion years (from 13.7 billion years to 4.5 billion years, which equals the universes creation then the earth coming into existence) then the 2nd day would be a couple of billion years, then we get into the other days which are less and less until the last day is the creation of all land animals from about 350 million years BC to 300 million years BC until about 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve were created and God placed his Spirit in them, all men LIKE UNTO ADAM in the flesh before that, had not the Spirit of God, so Adam was thus the first Human Being create in God's Image. If God placed his Spirit in a Dog tomorrow, that dog would have intelligence, and an awareness of sin etc. all dogs before him would still be dogs. (that's what we call a demonstration).

So, if that is THE GAP you are speaking about, it would not matter if Satan was created and living on this earth, in the Garden of Eden or not, this earth is 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is 13.7 billion years old.

The gap theory states that there was a creation prior to Genesis 1:2. The word "was" could legitimately be translated "became".

The age of the earth and the universe is unknown. There are way too many assumptions made to be certain. We don't know if the speed of light has changed, for example. The moon is moving away from the earth, about 50 mm a year. If the earth was so old, the moon would be too far away to affect tides. That's assuming science is right about the origin of the moon, and that is not a given either.

It is perfectly acceptable so say that we do not know. Science is continually changing supposed "facts" because new discoveries are being made. That's why there is a new science text book every year. The Bible does not change. God got it right first time.

 

[Rondonmon]

The gap theory states that there was a creation prior to Genesis 1:2. The word "was" could legitimately be translated "became".

I know, but there are also people who use this sane terminology on Daniel 70th week. Which only comes to pass in the last 7 years where Satan is still in power on this earth. It is Israel's final week of Judgment. This is why I hedged on what it was about.

The age of the earth and the universe is unknown. There are way too many assumptions made to be certain. We don't know if the speed of light has changed, for example. The moon is moving away from the earth, about 50 mm a year. If the earth was so old, the moon would be too far away to affect tides. That's assuming science is right about the origin of the moon, and that is not a given either.

No, we can measure distance and we know the speed of light. If I can know a car traveling at 55 MPH can go 550 miles in 10 hours of continual driving then I can know how far a star is by measuring the Speed of Light verses the distance etc. etc. This is simple stuff.

All of this we can't know is a cop out, we can know, we do know.

What we do know is anyone who says the Universe is 6000 years old is way off the farm, down the hill, and in the basement. A 5th grader knows better.

 

[DavidTree]

I am pretty dense ...can you explain how this negates the gap event.

Love you Brother, you gave me a good laugh this morning.

 

[DavidTree]

The gap theory states that there was a creation prior to Genesis 1:2. The word "was" could legitimately be translated "became".

The age of the earth and the universe is unknown. There are way too many assumptions made to be certain. We don't know if the speed of light has changed, for example. The moon is moving away from the earth, about 50 mm a year. If the earth was so old, the moon would be too far away to affect tides. That's assuming science is right about the origin of the moon, and that is not a given either.

It is perfectly acceptable so say that we do not know. Science is continually changing supposed "facts" because new discoveries are being made. That's why there is a new science text book every year. The Bible does not change. God got it right first time.

We also must realize that so called 'science' is not always true science = just as you stated "Science is continually changing"

Satanists/Globalists/Religionists all use science-fiction to deceive = for he who controls 'perception' controls the minds of the sheeple.

 

[cv5]

I know, but there are also people who use this sane terminology on Daniel 70th week. Which only comes to pass in the last 7 years where Satan is still in power on this earth. It is Israel's final week of Judgment. This is why I hedged on what it was about.


No, we can measure distance and we know the speed of light. If I can know a car traveling at 55 MPH can go 550 miles in 10 hours of continual driving then I can know how far a star is by measuring the Speed of Light verses the distance etc. etc. This is simple stuff.

All of this we can't know is a cop out, we can know, we do know.

What we do know is anyone who says the Universe is 6000 years old is way off the farm, down the hill, and in the basement. A 5th grader knows better.

The speed of light is definitely not a "constant". The so-called "speed" is nothing more than the rate of induction through the medium.......the medium being the aether. In fact none of the so-called "cosmological constants" are constant. The so-called scientific cosmology of this day is nothing more than a myth, a joke, a deception and vain philosophy. Utterly and totally useless.

If you want to do some interesting research try "Andrew Hall - The Ark blasted Earth" on YouTube. There is little doubt that Andrew Hall is absolutely correct in this matter. Mountain ranges being built up by massive electromagnetic storms in a matter of days! DAYS!

Also check out Antonio Zamora - Carolina Bays Impact theory on YouTube.

Also understand the "squatter man petroglyphs" as it relates to an early ultra massive electromagnetic catastrophe(s).

Also Barry Setterfield has some interesting theories.....and I completely agree with Barry that there have been multiple catastrophes including the fall, flood, Peleg disaster and Babel disaster (although I don't agree with everything he says). Check out his YouTube channel.

As for the age of the earth there are many reasons to believe that there was a massive devastation in about 9500 BC. Which is when Plato says Atlantis was destroyed. Furthermore genealogies do not necessarily indicate a chronology. But at any rate there are plenty of good reasons to believe that the creation is earlier than 10,000 BC. And in my opinion all of the geological record could easily be squeezed in to 15-20,000 BC...especially given the fact that it is catastrophes that build up the geological record not uniformitarianism.

Oh and one other thing you need to refer to the Alexandrian LXX to rightly determine the Genesis genealogies. Doing so adds about another 1500 years or so. Ushers chronology is unquestionably mistaken, as he uses the Masoretic text that Rabbi Akiva altered in a 100 AD.

 

[cv5]

I know, but there are also people who use this sane terminology on Daniel 70th week. Which only comes to pass in the last 7 years where Satan is still in power on this earth. It is Israel's final week of Judgment. This is why I hedged on what it was about.


No, we can measure distance and we know the speed of light. If I can know a car traveling at 55 MPH can go 550 miles in 10 hours of continual driving then I can know how far a star is by measuring the Speed of Light verses the distance etc. etc. This is simple stuff.

All of this we can't know is a cop out, we can know, we do know.

What we do know is anyone who says the Universe is 6000 years old is way off the farm, down the hill, and in the basement. A 5th grader knows better.

Also check out the "Richat structure - Atlantis" on Bright Insight YouTube channel.
Is this the actual Atlantis of legend? Very high probability IMO.

At any rate there is evidence of incredible massive floods sweeping over the entirety of North Africa.....yet another stupefying catastrophe the beggars the imagination.

And people want to discount the 70th week of Daniel DOTL disasters coming up on the Earth. Well stay tuned because they are indeed coming as they have in the past.

 

[Dino246]

I know, but there are also people who use this sane terminology on Daniel 70th week. Which only comes to pass in the last 7 years where Satan is still in power on this earth. It is Israel's final week of Judgment. This is why I hedged on what it was about.


No, we can measure distance and we know the speed of light. If I can know a car traveling at 55 MPH can go 550 miles in 10 hours of continual driving then I can know how far a star is by measuring the Speed of Light verses the distance etc. etc. This is simple stuff.

All of this we can't know is a cop out, we can know, we do know.

What we do know is anyone who says the Universe is 6000 years old is way off the farm, down the hill, and in the basement. A 5th grader knows better.

There is more to the startlight travel time issue. If God stretched out the heavens, the light from distant stars could still reach observers on Earth within hours. This is explained through relativity. Also, we cannot measure the one-way speed of light. Either provides a scientifically valid explanation, and neither is within the comprehension of the average 5th grader.

 

[Avery]

I have always understood that satan had his little rebellion way back in 'eternity past'. The words 'the earth was without form and void' have always hinted to me that something happened to the original earth. Some might consider that makes me a non believer or heretic of some kind, but I can assure that neither is true. Further, I do not believe thinking there was a former earth reflects on salvation and certainly does not play a part in salvation.

If we want to 'firm up' everything in scripture, that is believe we have understood it all and have the truth neatly tucked away, I am afraid an awful lot of us will be in for a big surprise one day. Still, doesn't hurt to discuss it.

 

[Rondonmon]

There is more to the startlight travel time issue. If God stretched out the heavens, the light from distant stars could still reach observers on Earth within hours. This is explained through relativity. Also, we cannot measure the one-way speed of light. Either provides a scientifically valid explanation, and neither is within the comprehension of the average 5th grader.

So........IF God changed His "Laws of Nature" that is always the comeback I get. Now explain why God needs to change and HURRY UP the timelines because God lives in ALL TIMES at once, so as soon as he finished speaking creation He was living un the finished product already, time does not constrain God, thus He is not impatient as humans might be.

The Laws of Nature were created by God for us, He doesn't need to change them. He was living in the end product as soon as He spoke creation into existence.

 

[Rondonmon]

The speed of light is definitely not a "constant". The so-called "speed" is nothing more than the rate of induction through the medium.......the medium being the aether. In fact none of the so-called "cosmological constants" are constant. The so-called scientific cosmology of this day is nothing more than a myth, a joke, a deception and vain philosophy. Utterly and totally useless.

If you want to do some interesting research try "Andrew Hall - The Ark blasted Earth" on YouTube. There is little doubt that Andrew Hall is absolutely correct in this matter. Mountain ranges being built up by massive electromagnetic storms in a matter of days! DAYS!

Also check out Antonio Zamora - Carolina Bays Impact theory on YouTube.

Also understand the "squatter man petroglyphs" as it relates to an early ultra massive electromagnetic catastrophe(s).

Also Barry Setterfield has some interesting theories.....and I completely agree with Barry that there have been multiple catastrophes including the fall, flood, Peleg disaster and Babel disaster (although I don't agree with everything he says). Check out his YouTube channel.

As for the age of the earth there are many reasons to believe that there was a massive devastation in about 9500 BC. Which is when Plato says Atlantis was destroyed. Furthermore genealogies do not necessarily indicate a chronology. But at any rate there are plenty of good reasons to believe that the creation is earlier than 10,000 BC. And in my opinion all of the geological record could easily be squeezed in to 15-20,000 BC...especially given the fact that it is catastrophes that build up the geological record not uniformitarianism.

Oh and one other thing you need to refer to the Alexandrian LXX to rightly determine the Genesis genealogies. Doing so adds about another 1500 years or so. Ushers chronology is unquestionably mistaken, as he uses the Masoretic text that Rabbi Akiva altered in a 100 AD.

There are many many ways to measure the earths age. We know by looking at Gen. ch. 1 that the universe is not 6000 years old.

 

[JStates]

I thought the Gap Theory was dead and buried. It's an obvious and poor attempt to reconcile the Biblical Creation account with the false claims of scientism that the "universe" and Earth are billions of years old. But it IS a dead theory and I'll demonstrate why with Scriptures.

God said that everything was VERY GOOD after Creation. It would be strange for God to say this if evil existed.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Death is the result of Adam's sin.
Rom_5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Creation also now is under the decaying/entropic influence of sin.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

All things were made in the beginning.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

If you can somehow have a previous creation without death or sin, then I guess it's a possibility. But the Bible is clear that Creation was perfect when God finished it, there was no sin or evil at that point, and death came later along with human sin. By extension, Satan's fall must have come between Creation and the Fall of Man.

Unless you are going to twist Scriptures, or make God a liar by saying the beginning wasn't really the beginning, it's pretty obvious that there was no gap of eons after Genesis 1:1. Any confusion is simply a result of failure to understand the full connotations of the original Hebrew. But the Gap Theory is less about confusion and more about forcing the Bible into scientism's false framework of billions of years.