Evrelasting Father

FlyingDove · Dec 14, 2020

Jesus is our creator (Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6) our sire, our Father. He is the Son of God. His Father sent Him to save a fallen world. He left the bosom of the Father (Jn 1:18)

He/the Son then created our universe/realm, left heaven (Jn 3:3, 6:33, 38, 62, 8:23, 58, 16:28, 17:5, Col 1:16 , 17, Heb 1:2) took on the form of mortal man. Gave Himself/paying for sins required wage (Rom 6:23) and rose for every believers justification (Rom 4:25)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

FlyingDove said:

Amen ! Great post he is our everything ! And also

“Neither is there salvation in any other:

for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Deuteronomy · Dec 15, 2020

Shandy said:

Hello again Shandy, the historic creeds of the church do a great job of explaining what the Doctrine of the Trinity teaches (and about who Jesus really is as well), perhaps none more so than this one (the word "catholic" refers to "universal" in this creed, not the Roman Catholic Church, just FYI):

The Athanasian Creed

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith; Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; and shall give account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

~Deut

Deuteronomy · Dec 15, 2020

And this one, which is about what the Trinity is, as well what it is not, is as informative as it is extremely funny

(from the folks at Lutheran Satire).

~Deut

bluto · Dec 15, 2020

Shandy said:

You said, " I can't see how He can be both Father and Son." First of all (and I want to make this perfectly clear) the one person of Jesus Christ is not God the Father nor is He God the Holy Spirit. It is the oneness pentecostals that teach this heretical doctrine. They literally teach that Jesus is all of them, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Of course their teaching falls apart when you have (for example) the Father saying at Mark 1:11 saying, "and a voice came out of the heavens; Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased." Obviously there are two persons identifed in this verse, not one person.

Look at it this way. Your a human being who shares the same nature as your father and mother who are also human beings. What makes you one is your shared nature. What makes you distinct from your mother and father is your personhood. Your not your mother or father, your a distinct person from them.

The same is true with God. There is only one God by nature period. The one God chose to manifest Himself throughout the Bible as three distinct persons. I just gave you an example and you also stated there are two persons, one sitting on the throne next to another persosn who is God the Father.

It is a universal law, that all persons share the same nature as its father.The same is true in the animal world, horses produce other horses, sparrows produce baby sparrows and so on. Another way to look at this is "Where no distinction is made, (For example at Genesis 1:1 it says, "God created the heavens and the earth), notice it does not say the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit created the heavens and the earth).

So, where no distinction is made or not a specific person is named, it is obviously UNnecessary to make a distinction. The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation TO EACH OTHER, any one of the persons in relation to us IS SIMPLY GOD. In that there is only One God, if God says to us His glory He will not give to another, that is because there is only One God. Also, if you deny one, you deny them all. Hope this helps.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Pilgrimshope · Dec 15, 2020

bluto said:

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems they are one

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

seems as though they are one

“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also:

and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

seems as though they are one

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it seems as though the son to be born would be the everlasting father among many other things like the good shepherd , bread of life , messiah and Christ , living water , son of God and even the spirit of God seems Christ is all those things precisely because he is God the father and became everything we need to become his children

the message of Father and son is for the understanding and benefit of his children .

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is the father , we we the children . He set an example for the children

Shandy · Dec 15, 2020

Deuteronomy said:

Hello again Shandy, the historic creeds of the church do a great job of explaining what the Doctrine of the Trinity teaches (and about who Jesus really is as well), perhaps none more so than this one (the word "catholic" refers to "universal" in this creed, not the Roman Catholic Church, just FYI):

The Athanasian Creed

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith; Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord; And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty; From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; and shall give account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

~Deut

Thank you @Deuteronomy
For all your patience and kindness.
I can understand this creed.

Shandy · Dec 15, 2020

Deuteronomy said:

Come on Deut! :lol

Shandy · Dec 15, 2020

bluto said:

You said, " I can't see how He can be both Father and Son." First of all (and I want to make this perfectly clear) the one person of Jesus Christ is not God the Father nor is He God the Holy Spirit. It is the oneness pentecostals that teach this heretical doctrine. They literally teach that Jesus is all of them, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Of course their teaching falls apart when you have (for example) the Father saying at Mark 1:11 saying, "and a voice came out of the heavens; Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased." Obviously there are two persons identifed in this verse, not one person.

Look at it this way. Your a human being who shares the same nature as your father and mother who are also human beings. What makes you one is your shared nature. What makes you distinct from your mother and father is your personhood. Your not your mother or father, your a distinct person from them.

The same is true with God. There is only one God by nature period. The one God chose to manifest Himself throughout the Bible as three distinct persons. I just gave you an example and you also stated there are two persons, one sitting on the throne next to another persosn who is God the Father.

It is a universal law, that all persons share the same nature as its father.The same is true in the animal world, horses produce other horses, sparrows produce baby sparrows and so on. Another way to look at this is "Where no distinction is made, (For example at Genesis 1:1 it says, "God created the heavens and the earth), notice it does not say the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit created the heavens and the earth).

So, where no distinction is made or not a specific person is named, it is obviously UNnecessary to make a distinction. The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation TO EACH OTHER, any one of the persons in relation to us IS SIMPLY GOD. In that there is only One God, if God says to us His glory He will not give to another, that is because there is only One God. Also, if you deny one, you deny them all. Hope this helps.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I get this 'the same nature"
Thank you so much.

bluto · Dec 15, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

I'm sorry to say that none of the verses you quoted prove that Jesus Christ is God the Father. When you say, "he/Jesus is the father" your advocating "Modalism," or a form of it and like I said this is what the Oneness Pentecostals teach. Modalism upholds the deity of Jesus Christ, but does not see Him as a distinct Person. In other word, it holds that God reveals Himself under different aspects or modes in different ages. As the Father in Creation and in the giving of the Law, as the Son in Jesus Christ, and as the Holy Spirit after Christ's ascension.

Unfortunately it abandons the diversity of Persons within the godhead, and more importantly the concept that Jesus Christ is our mediator or advocate with the Father is a charade. if Jesus is the Father and the Son or if Jesus is playing the role of an advocate to the Father He would be in logic mediating between himself since He is both persons.

Now, you quoted John 14 to show Jesus is the Father mainly based on John 14:9. "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, Show us the Father?" If Jesus is the Father then why did Jesus say at John 14:16, "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever." You have to read the context before you come to conclusions that are not Biblical.

Also notice at John 14:16 there are THREE persons mentioned in the verse, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. You also quoted John 10:30 which literally reads, " I and My Father, We are one." According to the context this is not speaking of the Father and Son being one in purpose. It is true they are but the deeper meaning is that they are one in nature.

Why do you think the Jews took up stones (again) to stone Him at verse 31? "Jesus answered them, I showed you many good works from the Father (see the distinction here); for which of them are you stoning Me?" Vs33, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; (what was the blasphemy?) and because You, being a man, make Yourself out God."

The Jews understood clearly what Jesus was claiming and it had nothing to do with Him and the Father being one in purpose. The Jews understood when Jesus said He was one with the Father He was talking about being one in nature with His Father. And if you read the rest of the verses, 34-39 you will see that Jesus brings up Psalm 82:6, do you know why? Do some homework and let me know why Jesus brought that verse up. In short, Jesus is not the Father.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Blik · Dec 15, 2020

Shandy said:

This also is my understanding.

It is the Father who gave His Son. It is the Father who blessed the Son, made the Son our Savior, and entrusted all things to the Son. It is the Father who gives us salvation through what the son did.

I think it is important to understand this because it tells us that the Son cannot cancel what the Father says. That gives power to the old testament where the Father is speaking, even though the Son is such a major part of the old testament.

The new covenant was given to us through the Son, and the new covenant changed how the Lord speaks to us. Before it was through rules given in stone, under the new covenant the Lord speaks to us through the heart and the holy spirit. This change was of God the Father and God the Son, it did not change Christ as superior to the Father.

God the Father is the one on the throne, the Son sits at his right hand and was given all power by the Father.

brightfame52 · Dec 26, 2020

Shandy said:

Because He has a Seed, a Progeny Isa 53:10

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.

"Yet the LORD was willing to crush him, and he made him suffer. Although you make his soul an offering for sin, he will see his offspring, and he will prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will triumph in his hand. NIV

This seed/offspring was given to Christ before the world began, Chosen in Him Eph 1:4 so Hes been a Spiritual Father from everlasting.

Blackpowderduelist · Dec 26, 2020

Shandy said:

This is why the creeds were written. I don't know why the modern evangelical churches have abandoned them. They teach us so much.

Absolutely · Dec 26, 2020

bluto said:

You said, " I can't see how He can be both Father and Son." First of all (and I want to make this perfectly clear) the one person of Jesus Christ is not God the Father nor is He God the Holy Spirit. It is the oneness pentecostals that teach this heretical doctrine. They literally teach that Jesus is all of them, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Of course their teaching falls apart when you have (for example) the Father saying at Mark 1:11 saying, "and a voice came out of the heavens; Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased." Obviously there are two persons identifed in this verse, not one person.

Look at it this way. Your a human being who shares the same nature as your father and mother who are also human beings. What makes you one is your shared nature. What makes you distinct from your mother and father is your personhood. Your not your mother or father, your a distinct person from them.

The same is true with God. There is only one God by nature period. The one God chose to manifest Himself throughout the Bible as three distinct persons. I just gave you an example and you also stated there are two persons, one sitting on the throne next to another persosn who is God the Father.

It is a universal law, that all persons share the same nature as its father.The same is true in the animal world, horses produce other horses, sparrows produce baby sparrows and so on. Another way to look at this is "Where no distinction is made, (For example at Genesis 1:1 it says, "God created the heavens and the earth), notice it does not say the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit created the heavens and the earth).

So, where no distinction is made or not a specific person is named, it is obviously UNnecessary to make a distinction. The persons of the Trinity are persons in relation TO EACH OTHER, any one of the persons in relation to us IS SIMPLY GOD. In that there is only One God, if God says to us His glory He will not give to another, that is because there is only One God. Also, if you deny one, you deny them all. Hope this helps.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I got a good one for you,

I was in another forum and it was asked for everyone to define the trinity or their version of the Godhead.

The Mormon member seemed to have the correct view.
I found that amazing. ( i have no idea what his religion/Mormonism actually taught on the subject)

Deuteronomy · Dec 26, 2020

Absolutely said:

Here is a short article that may be helpful (the written text and the text of the video are the same, just FYI)

Question: "What is Mormonism? What do Mormons believe?"

Answer: The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter-day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. He claimed to have received a personal visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ (Articles of Faith, p. 35) who told him that all churches and their creeds were an abomination (1 Nephi 13:28; Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith – History 1:18, 19). Joseph Smith then set out to "restore true Christianity" and claimed his church to be the “only true church on earth” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670; 1 Nephi 14:10). The problem with Mormonism is that it contradicts, modifies, and expands on the Bible. Christians do not have a reason to believe that the Bible is untrue or inadequate. To truly believe in and trust God means to believe in His Word, and all Scripture is inspired by God, which means it comes from Him (2 Timothy 3:16).

Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one: 1) the Bible “as far as it is translated correctly” (8th Article of Faith). Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear. 2) The Book of Mormon, which was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer to God by following its precepts “than by any other book” (History of the Church 4:461). 3) Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of Great Price, which is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible (Articles of Faith, p. 182–185) and adds its own information about the earth’s creation.

Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321) but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ—although this teaching has been abandoned by modern Mormon leaders.

In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; 44:6–8). He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27; Psalm 90:2; 1 Timothy 1:17). He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1; Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8; Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness (Mormon Doctrine, p. 348). Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life (2 Nephi 25:23; Articles of Faith, p.79).

In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6–8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22–23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive resurrected, glorified bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50–54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115; Mormon Doctrine, p. 547). Mormons believe Jesus is ~a~ god, but that any human can also become a god (Doctrine and Covenants 132:20; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–354). Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works (LDS Bible Dictionary, p. 697).

Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God’s sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only man who existed before physical birth (John 1:1–8; 8:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6–11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God’s infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). Receiving salvation is not done by works but by faith (Romans 1:17; 3:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

(Editor’s note: many of the references in our articles on Mormonism are Mormon publications, such as Mormon Doctrine, Articles of Faith, Doctrines of Salvation, History of the Church, Doctrine and Covenants, and so forth. Others are from the Book of Mormon itself, e.g., books such as 1 Nephi, 2 Nephi, and Alma.) ~https://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html

~Deut

Deuteronomy · Dec 26, 2020

Hello again @Absolutely, when pressed (concerning the MANY Biblical verses and passages that describe the nature of God/the Godhead .. like the OT/NT passages that you see below), they will tell you that the verses/passages are all true .. but only on the planetary/solar system level. IOW, there is "one God" ~per inhabited planet~, not One God in the Universe (of course, even that is not actually true, because in the Mormon faith, each planet is said to not only have one "god", but many "goddess" wives, as well .. who all started out as mortal men/women, just like us).

Isaiah 43

10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,

“And My servant whom I have chosen,

So that you may know and believe Me

And understand that I am He.

Before Me there was no God formed,

And there will be none after Me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD,

And there is no Savior besides Me.”

Ephesians 4

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

~Deut

jb · Dec 27, 2020

Everlasting Father

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For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here on the subject of The Godhead.

The Scripture of Isaiah 9v6 is deal with on Page 13...

Absolutely · Dec 27, 2020

Blik said:

that would be incorrect.

rev 5
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Absolutely · Dec 27, 2020

Deuteronomy said:

Hello again @Absolutely, when pressed (concerning the MANY Biblical verses and passages that describe the nature of God/the Godhead .. like the OT/NT passages that you see below), they will tell you that the verses/passages are all true .. but only on the planetary/solar system level. IOW, there is "one God" ~per inhabited planet~, not One God in the Universe (of course, even that is not actually true, because in the Mormon faith, each planet is said to not only have one "god", but many "goddess" wives, as well .. who all started out as mortal men/women, just like us).

Isaiah 43

10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,

“And My servant whom I have chosen,

So that you may know and believe Me

And understand that I am He.

Before Me there was no God formed,

And there will be none after Me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD,

And there is no Savior besides Me.”

Ephesians 4

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling;

5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

~Deut

yes
they are extremely corrupt due to their extra biblical mess.

the guy i talked to surprised me in that he believed the trinity was indeed three seperate and equal persons but one God.

like you say,if pressed, he would have gone on into morman doctrine lunacy.

CS1 · Dec 31, 2020

Shandy said:

The Spirit of Christ is eternal and has always been, Jesus is the same by divine nature everlasting Just as the other is or There was no beginning with the Father are there was none with the Son, they are eternal.
Jesus in HIS earthly body willfully submitted to the will of the Father to take on the Likeness of sinful man. AS the God man Jesu the Spirit of Christ was completely reliant on the Power of the Spirit not of the flesh. the weakness of the flesh in the body of themas Jesus totally submitted to the Sprit without compromise. Trust Pleasing the Father in all things. When Jesus said the Father greater than I Jesus is saying GOD is not limited by I am in the context of this body. But before the Lord Stepped out of Heaven to be our savior HE was not in a body or limited. This is know in christian theology as kenosis. This why Jesus said and it made no sense " I do not know" Matthew 24:36 Acts 1:7 and other verses.

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