Evolution theory vs God

[Magenta]

Modern science is driven by bias and peer pressure. If an academic isn't a proponent of evolution they'll find it more difficult to find a post, has the effect of shutting people up.

Another example would be gender. I saw a university publication that recognizes 54 genders, even though scientific tests, for example chromosomes, can identify only two. Many thousands of academics are sacrificing their integrity and going along with this crazy gender nonsense to keep their meal ticket.

We're living in the Last Days, perilous times as the bible says, deception is rife and ingrained in society.

God Bless You All

54 genders!!! What in the world??? That's just insane.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Modern science is driven by bias and peer pressure. If an academic isn't a proponent of evolution they'll find it more difficult to find a post, has the effect of shutting people up.

Another example would be gender. I saw a university publication that recognizes 54 genders, even though scientific tests, for example chromosomes, can identify only two. Many thousands of academics are sacrificing their integrity and going along with this crazy gender nonsense to keep their meal ticket.

We're living in the Last Days, perilous times as the bible says, deception is rife and ingrained in society.

God Bless You All

The "experts" here say it's alright if they cut off little boys peepees and dress them up like Barbie or a 4 Star Admiral. After all, there's a doctor interviewed. .....modern medi-sin.

 

[Billyd]

Modern science is driven by bias and peer pressure. If an academic isn't a proponent of evolution they'll find it more difficult to find a post, has the effect of shutting people up.

Another example would be gender. I saw a university publication that recognizes 54 genders, even though scientific tests, for example chromosomes, can identify only two. Many thousands of academics are sacrificing their integrity and going along with this crazy gender nonsense to keep their meal ticket.

We're living in the Last Days, perilous times as the bible says, deception is rife and ingrained in society.

God Bless You All

What are the 54 pronouns that we have to use?

 

[Fillan]

What are the 54 pronouns that we have to use?

Hello Billy! I did a google search on this, the first website that came up was a medical site and listed 72 medically recognized genders. The same people who are pushing the unscientific theory of evolution are pushing this unscientific legion of genders. As to what pronouns to use, I would personally try to keep away from that, I think it's a minefield. Maybe the bible has the correct advice 'Do not be deceived, bad company corrupts good character'. Maybe in the last days it's best to fellowship within the pure stream of God's people, rather than the polluted swamp of the world. God Bless You

 

[Eli1]

What are the 54 pronouns that we have to use?

You don't have to use anything.
Just show them this meme instead.

 

[JerryHernandez]

this all interesting. However, we must not forget that evolution from apes is only called a theory. It has yet to be proven.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

I have often been surprised to meet a 'Christian' who is vociferously in favour of evolution and upset when they find you are not, even though evolution is the opposite of Biblical Christianity on every level

Now the term 'create' is defined by most Christian theologians as bringing into existence something out of nothing. Whereas, evolve is defined by science as developing from a lesser state into a more advance, complex state.

Yet in Genesis 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven, the term 'evolve' better describes the process by which the moving creatures came into existence rather than claiming that the moving creature was created out of nothing.

 

[Gideon300]

Now the term 'create' is defined by most Christian theologians as bringing into existence something out of nothing. Whereas, evolve is defined by science as developing from a lesser state into a more advance, complex state.

Yet in Genesis 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven, the term 'evolve' better describes the process by which the moving creatures came into existence rather than claiming that the moving creature was created out of nothing.

Hebrews 11:3 "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

Evolution only makes sense if there is no God. Even then, there are more holes in the theory than a sieve. Evolutionists have more faith than Christians. Evolutionists live in hope of finding the answers to the questions that render the current version of the theory untenable. Of course, this requires more money to be thrown at it. Christians have the foundation of God's word to rely on. Hebrews 11:3 gives the lie to evolutionary theory.

 

[Gideon300]

Now the term 'create' is defined by most Christian theologians as bringing into existence something out of nothing. Whereas, evolve is defined by science as developing from a lesser state into a more advance, complex state.

Yet in Genesis 1:20, And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven, the term 'evolve' better describes the process by which the moving creatures came into existence rather than claiming that the moving creature was created out of nothing.

Evolution requires billions of years. God's creation took 6 days.

 

[Ballaurena]

Evolution requires billions of years. God's creation took 6 days.

Time didn't exist.

 

[Gideon300]

Time didn't exist.

God created time. "An evening and a morning, the first (then second, third etc.) day". Unless the earth was barely rotating, then a day was the same then as it is now. And The Bible uses words like created, formed and made. Nothing about evolution there. God does not lie. If He had sprinkled evo dust on the waters and then forgot about His restoration of the world, He would have told us.

As an aside, the earth existed prior to the account in Genesis. That's why the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Did you know that the moon is escaping earth's gravity? If the earth was as old as "science" wants us to believe, the moon would be too far away to create tides.

 

[Fillan]

Evolution requires billions of years. God's creation took 6 days.

I agree with you. God himself speaking:
"It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’” (Exodus 31:17)
Our current seven day week is based on that first seven day week and cannot be changed

 

[Nehemiah6]

...why would evolution become so complicated to make male and female of species, and an interdependent perfect echo system? If it all started as “bacteria?” Illogical my dear scientist! Illogical. I could go on and on, but why?

The answer to "why" is simple. Those who rejected the Bible, the Gospel, and the Savior had to thrust God out of creation. Logic had nothing to do with it. Evolution is insanity but millions of supposedly intelligent people have embraced stupidity instead of Christ. "Their foolish heart was darkened, professing themselves to be wise they became fools".

 

[Ballaurena]

God created time. "An evening and a morning, the first (then second, third etc.) day". Unless the earth was barely rotating, then a day was the same then as it is now. And The Bible uses words like created, formed and made. Nothing about evolution there. God does not lie. If He had sprinkled evo dust on the waters and then forgot about His restoration of the world, He would have told us.

As an aside, the earth existed prior to the account in Genesis. That's why the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Did you know that the moon is escaping earth's gravity? If the earth was as old as "science" wants us to believe, the moon would be too far away to create tides.

Friend, my source is a prophetic elder that was initially asking God about a scientific article he'd read about evidence that the speed of light (and thus time) had changed. Whether then or later, God indicated that the age of the universe is a meaningless question since time didn't exist. My fellowship has since gotten more on the topic.

No God doesn't lie, but He also doesn't apologize for, or rescue us from our tendency to interpret (rather than ask), and thus misinterpret what He says. He even used this to filter out the real followers from those who just wanted a free meal in John 6, by telling people to eat his flesh and drink his blood. It isn't something we can entirely escape, however, since at some point we must interpret what is said. Therefore do your best to understand, but be careful about taking the obvious and yet wrong interpretation like the disciples who "turned back and no longer followed (Jesus)" because they took him at their interpretation of his seemingly obvious words. (John 6:66).

Per what has come up at my fellowship since the original discussion on the topic, to God a 'day' is just a relatively short period of events. Note too how the sun which we define a day by wasn't even created until 'day' four. Also, there are many prophetic words in the Bible about 'days' that aren't literal, such as the "day of the Lord."

I can confirm your understanding that "the earth existed prior to the account in Genesis." This is hinted at in some Bible translations. My mom's old King James Bible, for example, says in Genesis 1:2 that the earth became form and void. Starting in verse 1, Young's Literal says:

"In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --
the earth hath existed waste and void..."

This was also confirmed prophetically, as well as fitting well with other verses about Satan's rebellion that happened before mankind was created, per the existence of the snake in the Garden of Eden. (See Revelation 12, Genesis 3.)

As for evolution, the truth is more complicated than the creation vs evolution question is usually presented. However you define the terms, though, it was certainly very intentional by God and no accident. In fact every human born is a uniquely created being spiritually speaking.

And finally, yes, I have heard that about the moon getting farther and farther away, though I hadn't heard about science's theories of the earth's age being inconsistent with the tides.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

God's creation took 6 days.

You kinda missed the point of my post. But you do make some good points in the posts following your response to my post.​

In the scriptures of Genesis 1, the term 'create' has a distinct meaning that is different than the meaning given it in its common​

usage.

For example, the term 'create' as used in Genesis 1 infers by implication a divine act that brings into existence something that has​

never existed in either substance or form prior to being brought into existence. And except but for that divine act , that which is brought it into existence, that which was created could not have came into existence by any natural process.

The term also infers by implication that it is not the bringing into existence something new as a result of the transformation of some​

pre-existing, or primordial matter into a new substance or form. Thus, the term means that it didn't proceed a natural process that had been given time would have resulted into its coming into existence.

Now the term 'made' does not infer by implication or otherwise that it was 'created'. The term 'made' does imply that it that it came into existence​

either into a new substance or form from something that was in existence at the time it was made.

The two term 'create' and 'made' are not interchangeable in Genesis 1, or in the Torah actually since each term has its own specific​

meaning. This is exemplified in Genesis 2:3 wherein it is written, "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

Evolution requires billions of years.

So it takes billions of years for things to evolve? (By evolve I mean the act of changing from a lesser state to another more advanced or complex state.)

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
2 Cor 5:17
"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." 1 Cor 15:52

Don't confuse the term 'evolve' with the theory of evolution of the species which twists the term to try to validate their opinion that mankind originated from primates.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Friend, my source is a prophetic elder that was initially asking God about a scientific article he'd read about evidence that the speed of light (and thus time) had changed.

The speed of visible white light has nothing to do with the measure of time.

Note too how the sun which we define a day by wasn't even created until 'day' four.

If the first day is misinterpreted then of course the events of the fourth day are going to be in error also.

Now the LORD put his words in the prophet's Jeremiah mouth, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. Jer 4:23 So when God said let there be light and there was light, when God saw the light then it obviously was the visible light.

Also, there are many prophetic words in the Bible about 'days' that aren't literal, such as the "day of the Lord."

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8

So either way, a day with the LORD is the evening and morning.

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8

 

[tedincarolina]

Most polls are very defective. It is rather doubtful that huge numbers of the population believe this rubbish. In any event Satan is behind every attack on Scripture, and God, and Christ.

Hey @Nehemiah6

I realize that this is a very old post, but if you're still looking into it, on this matter, I'd advise you go back and read Romans 1:18-32. I would also encourage that you consider all that the Scriptures say about God's elect and those who will be saved, as a remnant, and not any great majority of all the people who have lived upon the earth.

I believe that the opposite of your claim is true. The majority of the world is lost to God. And yes, that majority is going to believe whatever they need to believe to deny God's rightful place. Finally, we find Paul's warning to Timothy:

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

Read that carefully. It doesn't say that a small number of teachers...

I'm going to leave this up, but I'm not qualified to be posting on this thread. If anyone desires that it be removed, feel free to do so.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...but I'm not qualified to be posting on this thread.

If you are not qualified to be posting on this thread, then why did you? Just to "refute" me? And you cannot refute me on the basis of this:

GALLUP POLL
According to an average of all 2023 Gallup polling, about three in four Americans said they identify with a specific religious faith. By far the largest proportion, 68%, identify with a Christian religion, including 33% who are Protestant, 22% Catholic and 13% who identify with another Christian religion or simply as a "Christian."
How Religious Are Americans? (gallup.com)

So if a person identifies as a Christian, at the very least that person acknowledges the Holy Bible as his basis of belief. Which means he also accepts the biblical account of creation.

 

[Ballaurena]

The speed of visible white light has nothing to do with the measure of time.

If the first day is misinterpreted then of course the events of the fourth day are going to be in error also.

Now the LORD put his words in the prophet's Jeremiah mouth, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. Jer 4:23 So when God said let there be light and there was light, when God saw the light then it obviously was the visible light.



But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
2 Peter 3:8

So either way, a day with the LORD is the evening and morning.

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Cor 5:8

Actually this gets into quantum physics but have you never heard that as you approach the speed of light, time slows down? But then I have long been a student of the sciences, though in college I studied Biology, not Physics. I can't say I can wrap my head around it fully either, but the two are linked if by nothing except that one is used to define the other because speed (of light or anything else) means distance/time. The fact that speed effects time suggest that there may be even more than this, though, just as space-time is now considered by scientists to be one thing, not two.

It is easy for anyone to wrongly assume that things that are constant in practical terms are absolute constants. Einstein's famous blunder, for example, was the introduction of a 'cosmological constant' which assumed the universe was constant in size. In fact, I would say it had significance for the Christian message because his blunder was based on uniformatarian thought, which was more consistent with atheism than an expanding universe that begs the question of what was the initial first cause. Even scripture addresses this tendency to wrongly presume consistancy of our context, and that it is encouraged by our biases (at least in the specific case it describes).

The passage (see below) which is 2 Peter 3:3-7 also mentions our very topic. Like your quote from Jeremiah, though, it doesn't really answer the question of what is physical/literal and what is spiritual or allagorical. That can really only be answered by God (Psalm 118:8-9), which is why I quoted prophecy. Obviously prophecy can only be trusted if spiritually vetted appropriately, which I have worked very hard to do, but neither can it rightly be rejected if it hasn't been tested (1 Thess. 5:19-22). Therefore, though I don't expect you to take it at my word, realize you really shouldn't throw it out unassessed or gloss over it if you want to get to the truth. And if you don't want the truth (not that I'm saying you don't), I might as well move on.

3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

 

[tedincarolina]

Time didn't exist.

Hi @Ballaurena

That's a totally false statement, if we believe the Scriptures. God's word says that there was evening and there was morning each day. If that is true, and I believe that it is because God's word says so, then time passed. For a day to transform from evening to morning, then time is involved.