Essential Christian Doctrines

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I’m not going to be arrogant enough to say that I have it all figured out, am understanding perfectly without any error whatsoever in what I believe, and everyone else who believes differently are hell bound (unless it’s a perversion of Christ’s doctrine). I fully understand the basics of the Christian faith, like how a person is saved and placed in Christ, and I live in God’s grace every day. What I haven't studied, I can't know if I'm in error or not. What I do believe, I believe it to be correct, otherwise I wouldn’t believe it. What I don’t believe, I believe it not to be correct, otherwise I would believe it.
 
When they teach lies like the rapture it does
I am not going to debate the biblical soundness of "rapture" theories here, but actively teaching something is essentially different than not teaching everything, which is the point I was making. ;)
 
I am not to debate anything please look at the post I just put up. It is entitled Who am I and it gives you a background of who I am and why I believe as I do. I start with my time in the Navy because that is where I got saved, and where most of my beginning studies came from.
 
That is talking about a person who brings a false gospel, not a local church that doesn’t get around to teaching every tertiary tidbit of information that you think is important.
Not every church brings the true gospel. The 7 churches in Revelation God found fault with 6 of the churches. I want to be in the 7th church.
 
I am not going to debate the biblical soundness of "rapture" theories here, but actively teaching something is essentially different than not teaching everything, which is the point I was making. ;)
The doctrine of God is essential everything that God put in the bible is essential. Show me something from God's word kept in context that is not essential.
 
My amendments to keep only the essentials.

God
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has always existed.
Biblical References: Genesis 1:1, 26–27, 3:22; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 Peter 1:2

Jesus
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered himself as the perfect sacrifice by dying on the cross. He arose from the dead three days after His arrest, to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heaven’s glory and will return again someday to resurrect and glorify His own and bring them with Him back to earth to reign for a season. We do not know God's specific plans for us beyond that age. Biblical References: Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:22–23; John 1:1–5; 14:10–30; Acts 1:9–11; Romans 1:3–4; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; 1 Timothy 6:14–15; Titus 2:13; Hebrew 4:14–15

Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is present in the world and convicts the world that sin, righteousness and judgment truly exist. He also abides in every Christian from the moment of receiving Jesus as Lord and Saviour to provide the Christian with power for living, understanding of spiritual truth, and guidance in doing what is right.
‍Biblical References: John 14:16, 16:7–14, 17; Acts 1:8; Romans 8:26–27; 1 Corinthians 2:12, 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:16–17; Galatians 5:25; Ephesians 1:13; 5:18

The Bible
The Received Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek texts of scripture are God’s Word to us. Human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit, wrote them. They are the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs and living. Because they are God-inspired, they are the truth without any mixture or error. Translations of these into other languages are God's word whenever and wherever they accurately convey the intended meaning of the received texts.
‍Biblical References: Psalm 119:105, 160; Proverbs 30:5–6; Matthew 5:18; 2 Timothy 3:16–17; 1 Peter 1:25; 2 Peter 1:20–21, 3:15–16

Aeonous life
People were created. We either feel separated from God, by unbelief which leads to sin; or we live in communion with God through faith in His forgiveness and through our trust in His presence and union in us. To resist experiencing God's holy presence and union with Him is Hell. To willingly experience his holy presence and communion with him is the kind of life God intended us to have (i.e. aeonous life (aiOnios zoE). Heaven and Hell are real places.
Biblical References: John 3:16; 14:17; Romans 6:23; 8:17–18; 1 Corinthians 2:7–9; Revelation 20:15
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If you are not teaching the truth on the rapture, then what else are you not teaching the truth on. Jesus thought it essential enough to teach on.
 
Will someone go to hell for misunderstanding prophecies (not the ones concerning Jesus)?
 
The doctrine of God is essential everything that God put in the bible is essential. Show me something from God's word kept in context that is not essential.
Please define "essential" as you are using it here.
 
If you are not teaching the truth on the rapture, then what else are you not teaching the truth on. Jesus thought it essential enough to teach on.

2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Some people believe the saints will be gone before the tribulation which they believe is 7 years.

But really it is the last three and one half years of the 7 years.

If they are wrong then it is going to overthrow the faith of some people and they will follow the world and the antichrist.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God.

Which happens in the middle of the 7 years period.

Which salvation is available to the world during the first three and one half years so the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.

And when they take the mark of the beast in the middle of the 7 years then salvation is no longer available to the world.

Then the resurrection will happen.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

But then the beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them.

And they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.

And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to God and then He will put down the world.

When the resurrection happens it is the end and the heathen do not continue anymore.

The is why the resurrection cannot be before the 7 years or in the middle because the heathen continue.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth so He can end sin on earth.

If the saints are not on earth for the 7 years then how did the world go against the truth.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

When the resurrection does not happen before the 7 years or in the middle it will overthrow the faith of some people and they will follow the new age interpretation of the Bible.

Will the people that preached before and middle be held accountable.
 
Parable of the Wheat and Tares​
36. Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him saying “Declare unto the parable of the tares of the field”. 37 He answered and said unto them, “He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man:
(Do not read over the following verses.) 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39. The enemy that sowed them is the Devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angles. 40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the field; so, shall it be at the end of the world. 41. The son of man shall send forth His angles, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them that do iniquity:” 42. And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be walling and gnashing of teeth. 43. THEN shall the righteous shin forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father.
Who hath ears to hear, let him here.
Who is doing the teaching here? Jesus. Why did He take the time to explain this parable only to the disciples? They were open to receiving this understanding and they were going to have to go out to the people and spread this good news. They also needed to understand the timing. Remember the field is the world, the tarries are the children of wicked ones. What do tarries do in a wheat field? Kill and chock off the wheat, they do not let it grow. The Son of Man: This is Jesus, He sends out his angles to gather out all the field (world) the wicked ones first before anyone else; so that the wheat may be harvested and brought into the barn.
Just what did we learn here? There are only 2 teams on the field, no fans in the stands. We must choose team Jesus or team Satan. Team Satan is taken off the field first and team Jesus is left to join with the “Father” God.
Which team do you choose? 1. Team Satan Team 2 Jesus.
 
We could go through all the different false doctrine that is out there, rapture, must be baptized with water, speak in tongue's . . . Revelation 2&3 God tells us what He wants and does not want in His church. Only 1 did He find that He had no fault with; that should be the church we want to be a part of. That was the church of Philadelphia. They were not the strongest, or the biggest but they did have the accentual knowledge that ability to tell truth from fiction. You should want to find out just what they knew and follow it.

So you think baptism is false doctrine?
 
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Some people believe the saints will be gone before the tribulation which they believe is 7 years.

But really it is the last three and one half years of the 7 years.

If they are wrong then it is going to overthrow the faith of some people and they will follow the world and the antichrist.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God.

Which happens in the middle of the 7 years period.

Which salvation is available to the world during the first three and one half years so the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.

And when they take the mark of the beast in the middle of the 7 years then salvation is no longer available to the world.

Then the resurrection will happen.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

But then the beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them.

And they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.

And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to God and then He will put down the world.

When the resurrection happens it is the end and the heathen do not continue anymore.

The is why the resurrection cannot be before the 7 years or in the middle because the heathen continue.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth so He can end sin on earth.

If the saints are not on earth for the 7 years then how did the world go against the truth.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

When the resurrection does not happen before the 7 years or in the middle it will overthrow the faith of some people and they will follow the new age interpretation of the Bible.

Will the people that preached before and middle be held accountable.
Will the people that preached before and middle be held accountable. Yes, they will. Judgment begins at the pulpit. The other side of the coin is the people that hear that teaching need to be like the Barens in Acts. 10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few. 13But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people. 14And then immediately the brethren sent away Paul to go as it were to the sea: but Silas and Timotheus abode there still. 15And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed. Copied from KJV from biblehub.com
 
So you think baptism is false doctrine?
I never said that. Jesus got baptized. It is a good thing to do we need to follow the example that Jesus set. One of the most memorized verses in the bible is John 3:15&16 That whosoever believe in Him should not parish but have eternal life 16. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not parish, but have eternal life. There is a lot of people, churches, etc. that thank God forgot to add something to that verse. So what have they done? Added to their doctrine, teaching ... They thank it should read That whoever believeth in Him and is baptized should not parish. There is no place in the bible that says if you are not baptized in water, you shell not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Do I believe that a believer should get baptized? Yes, I do, I have been baptized; Why Jesus set the example when He was baptized by John the Baptist.
 
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Some people believe the saints will be gone before the tribulation which they believe is 7 years.

But really it is the last three and one half years of the 7 years.

If they are wrong then it is going to overthrow the faith of some people and they will follow the world and the antichrist.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The saints will not be gathered unto Christ until the man of sin claims to be God.

Which happens in the middle of the 7 years period.

Which salvation is available to the world during the first three and one half years so the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.

And when they take the mark of the beast in the middle of the 7 years then salvation is no longer available to the world.

Then the resurrection will happen.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

But then the beast makes war against the saints and overcomes them.

And they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.

And when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to God and then He will put down the world.

When the resurrection happens it is the end and the heathen do not continue anymore.

The is why the resurrection cannot be before the 7 years or in the middle because the heathen continue.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth so He can end sin on earth.

If the saints are not on earth for the 7 years then how did the world go against the truth.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age that interprets the Bible and religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but want to hear it according to the new age.

When the resurrection does not happen before the 7 years or in the middle it will overthrow the faith of some people and they will follow the new age interpretation of the Bible.

Will the people that preached before and middle be held accountable.
 
The people that teach any false doctrine will be held accountable. Judgment at the pulpit. We need to be like the Bereans, they hard Paul teaching, then went home and searched the scriptures (Old Testament) to make sure that what he said was true. When was the last time you left church and went home to make sure that what you were taught was true? It should be always.
 
I got the word essential from the title at the beginning of the discussion. Essential Christian Doctrine. I got started on the rapture because it is a lie from the devil himself. The rapture, the taking away of Christian believers in the middle of the 7 years is nowhere to be found in the bible. Can we do a bible study on Ezekiel 13?
 
I got the word essential from the title at the beginning of the discussion. Essential Christian Doctrine. I got started on the rapture because it is a lie from the devil himself. The rapture, the taking away of Christian believers in the middle of the 7 years is nowhere to be found in the bible. Can we do a bible study on Ezekiel 13?
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Elijah
Enoch
John
Paul
The 2 witnesses
THE CHURCH of 1 thes 4.
Noah gathered into the ark.
Lot gathered and removed from sodom.
The baby Jesus removed and placed in a safe place.

The false doctrine of Jesus, "NOT COMING for his bride the church, and taken to his father's house",, is a lie from the devil himself.

Jesus prophesied Taking his bride to his father's house at the last supper, and also VIVIDLY illustrated it at the last supper.