Eschatology differences & how people get treated

[Truth7t7]

Tongues is like eschatology in the same way. Both are revealed as prophecy Much has to do on how we wonder in doubt and how we believe or exercise in a faith Christ's that works in us not of ourselves .

Rather than following the money trail. Search the sign to wonder by wonder trail or healing trail. Many are lying wonders used to mislead and take away faith as it is written( No wondering needed. . . just believe.)

I will openly testify, I received the gift of speaking in other tongues 43 years ago while praying in my room privately, the gift is the same today.

When I see posters in denial of the gift for today it brings big smiles, can't deny something received and alive today, and that's the truth.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please re-read the OP. So far, you just don't get it.

… and you still don't understand how to use brackets.

Get over it soldier

 

[SoulWeaver]

Please re-read the OP. So far, you just don't get it.

… and you still don't understand how to use brackets.

Actually, in his defense, he did kind of answer the OP...

Do you personally think it's justified to display that level of hostility towards others when it comes to this subject?

He thereby affirmed, that it IS justified to be hostile to that level in his view, and also, unless I misunderstood, that people who disagree with him on the subject aren't saved. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

I only kindly ask people not to hijack this thread with debates about various teachings, because that's not what the thread was intended for, whoever wants to expound what is heretical in their opinion and what isn't, I ask to please refrain here and open a separate thread about it... This thread is about how do we treat Christians who disagree with us, and especially when it comes to eschatology.

As a believer coming from an eastern European culture, Western Christianity, especially Protestantism, looks to me in practice like a constant anxious inspection of other peoples' belief systems and checking if it matches with the dogma of the inspector. Looked aside, this approach is often reducing Christianity to a "belief system", and not living it out like the way of life. I'd like to gravitate towards the approach of Christianity being a way of life and less as a belief system, more akin to a personal spiritual path or if you will spiritual kung fu, and that the kind correction should come from an experienced and skilled master in spiritual battle, not white and yellow belts beating one another with the kung fu textbook, if that makes sense.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually, in his defense, he did kind of answer the OP...



He thereby affirmed, that it IS justified to be hostile to that level in his view, and also, unless I misunderstood, that people who disagree with him on the subject aren't saved. That's his opinion and he's entitled to it.

I only kindly ask people not to hijack this thread with debates about various teachings, because that's not what the thread was intended for, whoever wants to expound what is heretical in their opinion and what isn't, I ask to please refrain here and open a separate thread about it... This thread is about how do we treat Christians who disagree with us, and especially when it comes to eschatology.

As a believer coming from an eastern European culture, Western Christianity, especially Protestantism, looks to me in practice like a constant anxious inspection of other peoples' belief systems and checking if it matches with the dogma of the inspector. Looked aside, this approach is often reducing Christianity to a "belief system", and not living it out like the way of life. I'd like to gravitate towards the approach of Christianity being a way of life and less as a belief system, more akin to a personal spiritual path or if you will spiritual kung fu, and that the kind correction should come from an experienced and skilled master in spiritual battle, not white and yellow belts beating one another with the kung fu textbook, if that makes sense.

(Full Preterism) denies a (Future) second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens

It's my opinion this teaching is a major foundational doctrine in the Christian faith, and to teach otherwise is Heretical, and yes I would question a person's standing in the Church ordained by Jesus Christ.

No person will bully me into thinking differently

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

[Mem]

Many, if not all, objectionable;defective;incommodius;annoying (whichever applies) behaviors stem from irrational fears so one thing or another, and the irrational fear of being wrong may play the major part in this issue. Just keeping in mind there's is something wrong with the brain, and that this so, also, means they aren't necessarily entirely hopeless, helps me deal a lot better.

 

[lenna]

As a believer coming from an eastern European culture, Western Christianity, especially Protestantism, looks to me in practice like a constant anxious inspection of other peoples' belief systems and checking if it matches with the dogma of the inspector. Looked aside, this approach is often reducing Christianity to a "belief system", and not living it out like the way of life. I'd like to gravitate towards the approach of Christianity being a way of life and less as a belief system, more akin to a personal spiritual path or if you will spiritual kung fu, and that the kind correction should come from an experienced and skilled master in spiritual battle, not white and yellow belts beating one another with the kung fu textbook, if that makes sense.

since I am also not American, but not coming from an eastern European culture other than that my grandparents and mother certainly did, I agree here. I have found the approach is too 'my belief vs your belief' and I also prefer and am used to, the personal spiritual path as you put it

I would say more, but the foxhole I am digging is not yet deep enough

Many, if not all, objectionable;defective;incommodius;annoying (whichever applies) behaviors stem from irrational fears so one thing or another, and the irrational fear of being wrong may play the major part in this issue.

hello

 

[iamsoandso]

I've been called names and was even denied salvation by some over eschatology differences.
I believe that nobody can indisputably prove what exactly will happen in the future...
Do you personally think it's justified to display that level of hostility towards others when it comes to this subject?
Have you had similar experiences, people getting ugly about differences in opinion about what's going to happen in the future?

In the Scriptures the Thessalonians were at odds over their understanding of eschatology https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2:2&version=KJV but look at how Paul looked at them and what he said about it in https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2:13&version=KJV ...we just spend so much time looking at the rest of the chapter when debating eschatology and forget about these two verses and so we miss the "brethren beloved of the Lord" part.

 

[Scribe]

3Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I've been called names and was even denied salvation by some over eschatology differences.

People need to let such things roll off their back. What you know and what God knows should suffice. And doubtless, there are a lot of wild and crazy interpretations about eschatology, such as Amillennialism and Preterism.

 

[Dino246]

This thread reminds me of an elementary playground.

 

[iamsoandso]

This thread reminds me of an elementary playground.

Great avatar fits right in...

 

[Truth7t7]

People need to let such things roll off their back. What you know and what God knows should suffice. And doubtless, there are a lot of wild and crazy interpretations about eschatology, such as Amillennialism and Preterism.

The factual events of scripture as seen below

Ahmillennial: Second Coming immediately after the tribulation Matt 24:29-30, resurrection of all John 5:28-29, catching up believers 1 Thess 4:14-17, Heaven & Earth dissolved by fire 2 Pet 3:10-13, GWT final judgement of all Rev 20:11-15, eternal kingdom in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem Rev 21:1-5, (No Millennium) Judgement Complete, Eternity Begins

 

[iamsoandso]

Yep all it takes is statements like "watch for ye know not what hour" or "it's not yours to know...",,, and out of thin air comes the ones who know what the Lord said that they don't know. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/1-7.htm

 

[Truth7t7]

Yep all it takes is statements like "watch for ye know not what hour" or "it's not yours to know...",,, and out of thin air comes the ones who know what the Lord said that they don't know. https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/1-7.htm

You mean (Preterist) claiming Matthew Chapter 24 was fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus has already returned in his Second Coming, that (Day And Hour) no man knows has been revealed, Real Big Smiles!

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[iamsoandso]

You mean (Preterist) claiming Matthew Chapter 24 was fulfilled in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, Jesus has already returned in his Second Coming, that (Day And Hour) no man knows has been revealed, Real Big Smiles!

Matthew 24:32-36KJV
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

All the camps seem to tip-e-toe around it but none seem to completely know it. There are things Paul list in 2 Thess. 2 that by deduction would not be events that take place after the DOTL but things like the Mercy Seat,what the 7 thunders said ect.(and others) also are unknown. For one reason or another some things aren't given to us to know. We I think should just trust that it's best that we don't know everything yet or else he would have told us.

 

[Truth7t7]

All the camps seem to tip-e-toe around it but none seem to completely know it. There are things Paul list in 2 Thess. 2 that by deduction would not be events that take place after the DOTL but things like the Mercy Seat,what the 7 thunders said ect.(and others) also are unknown. For one reason or another some things aren't given to us to know. We I think should just trust that it's best that we don't know everything yet or else he would have told us.

Like when is the 1,290 or 1,335 day mark seen below?

It's Big Smiles watching person's claim they know the interpretation

Daniel 12:11-13KJV
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

 

[iamsoandso]

Like when is the 1,290 or 1,335 day mark seen below?

It's Big Smiles watching person's claim they know the interpretation

Daniel 12:11-13KJV
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

In Daniel 10:21 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-10-21/ Gabriel(?) points out that Michael "holdeth" with him on the things he had come to explain to Daniel. So he understands it,Michael does too but Daniel does not(came to show him) and so the other angels neither understood it.

The Father did not give it https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 1:7&version=KJV to the angel in Daniel,(note at the end of Daniel he ask,,,"when?,,how long? ect. )and is told it is "closed and sealed till the time of the end" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12:9&version=KJV ... So Daniel didn't know and the angel/angels didn't tell him.

 

[Truth7t7]

In Daniel 10:21 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Daniel-10-21/ Gabriel(?) points out that Michael "holdeth" with him on the things he had come to explain to Daniel. So he understands it,Michael does too but Daniel does not(came to show him) and so the other angels neither understood it.

The Father did not give it https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 1:7&version=KJV to the angel in Daniel,(note at the end of Daniel he ask,,,"when?,,how long? ect. )and is told it is "closed and sealed till the time of the end" https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+12:9&version=KJV ... So Daniel didn't know and the angel/angels didn't tell him.

I Agree!

But you will have men claim they know the mystery of the 1,290 & 1,335 days, Real Big Smiles!

Seventh Day Adventist Claim To Know?

Ministry Magazine

The common dates assigned to these prophetic time periods by Adventist interpreters through correlating the 1290-day period with the ending of the 1260-day period is 508-1798 for the 1290 years and 508-1843 for the 1335-year period. There is one substitute system that makes some sense for the 1335-year period. That is a 496-1831 scheme of dating that would begin with the date of the conversion of Clovis, leader of the Franks in 496, which gave the church a strong political ally and an effective sword for more than 12 centuries (The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 4, pp. 836, 837). The 1335 years would then terminate with the beginning of William Miller's preaching of the 2300-year prophecy. However, the 1290-year prophecy does not fit into this scheme.

 

[Bbrdrd]

Most of the time the hostility and biting that creeps into eschatological discussions is completely unwarranted, but like every area of theology there are eschatologies that are outright heretical.

As has been brought up previously, some forms of preterism would fall in that category. The future bodily resurrection and reconciliation of the entire world is the hope of Christianity so anything that denies that hope is denying the gospel. Of course, this is only a specific formulation and not all forms of preterism deny this hope.

Though even when someone speaks heresies heaping abuse on them is not meet. It might be a reason for disfellowship but personal attacks aren't justified.

 

[iamsoandso]

I Agree!

But you will have men claim they know the mystery of the 1,290 & 1,335 days, Real Big Smiles!

Seventh Day Adventist Claim To Know?

Ministry Magazine

The common dates assigned to these prophetic time periods by Adventist interpreters through correlating the 1290-day period with the ending of the 1260-day period is 508-1798 for the 1290 years and 508-1843 for the 1335-year period. There is one substitute system that makes some sense for the 1335-year period. That is a 496-1831 scheme of dating that would begin with the date of the conversion of Clovis, leader of the Franks in 496, which gave the church a strong political ally and an effective sword for more than 12 centuries (The SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 4, pp. 836, 837). The 1335 years would then terminate with the beginning of William Miller's preaching of the 2300-year prophecy. However, the 1290-year prophecy does not fit into this scheme.

In Daniel he is shown what will happen to his people in the latter days https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+10:14&version=KJV So he's being shown what will happen to his people(Daniels). Then so any explanation of it should speak of Daniels people instead of what other peoples histories did unless they did this to Daniels people.