Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.
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Amen
All we have to do is look at many OT prophecies concernign babylon, media persia, greece and Rome and the first advent to get a clear picture using already fulfilled prophecy as a guide to interpret yet fulfilled prophecy.
its not rocket science.
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Only if you drop the eisegesis and stick to exegesis. But you have no exegesis to prove your points.
My "exegesis" is the Bible.
Let the Bible exegesis the Bible.
Once man gets involved in exegesis, you end up in a condition that you are exhibiting here. No disrespect. Just trying to help you out.
If you can prove your claim of a 7-year tribulation or a pre-trib rapture using direct quotes, it is exegesis. If not direct quotes it is eisegesis.
I do not see a pre-trib rapture either, you are automatically lumping me in with a group.
I'm on your side regarding the fact that there is no difference between a kingdom of God and a kingdom of heaven.
But I disagree with you on the point that there will be no literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth.
Jesus refuted the physical 1000 year kingdom of the Pharisees.
The 1000 years are not the kingdom, Satan attacks the kingdom when they end = the 1000 years are Satan's binding.
Jesus Christ is currently sitting at the right Hand of the Father’s Throne constantly making intercession for us. It was promised that He would sit on King David’s Throne. When did Jesus Christ sit on King David’s political, Earthly Throne?
And Christ's reign occurs concurrently with Satan's binding.
Revelation 20
[1] And I saw an angel come down from heaven...[2] And he laid hold on the dragon [Satan]...and bound him a thousand years...[4]...and I saw the souls of them that...beheaded...and which had not worshiped the beast...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years...[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed...
Easy as 1-2-3.
Is Satan even really bound then? Where do we stop with all this?
Does the new heaven and new earth REALLY come down?
Our faith should not stand on the wisdom of men (1 Corinthians 2:5).
But I would have to stand on your wisdom in this instance and deny what the scripture plainly says.
The signified understanding of Revelation is implied symbolism .To include the words "thousand years". We walk by faith not after a literal temporal years in lieu of a thousand.
The phrase "thousand years" is used 9 times in the bible to indicate as unknown Six times in Revelation 20 alone..Never in respect to a literal thousand years. That kind of idea destroys the parable using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen gospel understanding .Which again is no literal thousand years. We are not of the number rather than of the faith . .
Think in simpler terms. 1000 years are Satan's binding. When they end Satan is loosed. The 1000 years are not the kingdom. When they end Satan is loosed and he attacks the kingdom.
Not to the whole book.
Moreover, the scripture clearly states that "when the thousand years are expired" (Rev. 20:7). If there's an expiring of a thing then it has literal components.
Do spiritual things expire?
Scripture plainly says that not only in the book of Revelation the last book was inspired but also is signified as in parable which without he spoke not.
Why stand on your wisdom and deny the signified and lose out on the spiritual understanding? Why the trade off and literalize the scriptures ?
Is there scripture that informs us not to look to the unseen spiritual understanding? We do have instruction as to how to rightly divide the parables using the temporal things seen like time elements (thousand years) to give us the unseen understanding for those who do walk by faith (the unseen eternal )
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Dave-L,
You aren't really responding to any challenges here. You just keep repeating what has already been challenged, with no new response.
That's where I'll leave it then.
You aren't really responding to any challenges here. You just keep repeating what has already been challenged, with no new response.
That's where I'll leave it then.
When you don't take Scripture literally, you can make it say anything you want.
When Scripture is using symbolism, it will be clear from the context, usually the words "like" and "as".