Ephesians 5:7 concern

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Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
 
timemeddler said:
Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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I would suggest that the line is crossed if they convert you more than you convert them during the relationship.
Regarding the product or service, try to pick the least problematic one.

I appreciate dancing and envy good dancers, because I have always been too inhibited to do it.
I had to pretend to dance a couple of times while my fiance was sorority queen, but felt uncomfortable.

Vulgar or suggestive movements should be discouraged for crossing the line from clean fun to going you know where.
 
timemeddler said:
Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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If you pray for a Christian dance club, maybe God will help you put it together with other Christians? You don't need the lgbtq+ or the world for this at all.

God didn't have to, but He got some people to put together a sort of dance and entertainment club for Christians on Friday nights when I was a young adult. It was so much fun and it was by the bay so the location was amazing with beautiful views including a ferry, with docks to prominade on and a marina with a historic bed and breakfast that had an amazing restaurant. I never saw anything like it since and I'm so grateful to God that I got to enjoy it!

So I hope this will encourage you and I will pray that you get one like I had back then.


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If you pray for a Christian dance club, maybe God will help you put it together with other Christians? You don't need the lgbtq+ or the world for this at all.

God didn't have to, but He got some people to put together a sort of dance and entertainment club for Christians on Friday nights when I was a young adult. It was so much fun and it was by the bay so the location was amazing with beautiful views including a ferry, with docks to prominade on and a marina with a historic bed and breakfast that had an amazing restaurant. I never saw anything like it since and I'm so grateful to God that I got to enjoy it!

So I hope this will encourage you and I will pray that you get one like I had back then.


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It's more an equation of finding one that has the classes for the right hand position, then the calling training, square dancing isnt a popular activity anymore, and callers for this style are in very short supply.
 
"But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them." Ephesian 5:3-7
 
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Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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God instructs the believe to walk in love:

Ephesians 5:1-2 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.


Next God reveals the behaviors of the children of disobedience:

Ephesians 5:3-4 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Then God tells us the children of disobedience do not have any share in the kingdom of Christ and of God ... and they shall incur the wrath of God:

Ephesians 5:5-6 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.


Then comes the verse in question:

Ephesians 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Do not partake in the sinful behaviors ... i.e.

fornication, uncleanness, covetousness ... we do not avoid these behaviors to become saints ... born again believers are saints so they do not participate in these behaviors.

filthiness, foolish talking, jesting is replaced with giving of thanks.


I do not believe vs 7 is instructing believers that they cannot go into business establishments ... although I believe some places should be completely avoided.

Check out Proverbs chapters 4 and 5. Good instruction there.


Have you ever heard the song "Slow Fade" by Casting Crowns?


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timemeddler said:
Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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I think you'll just have to decide for yourself where you draw the line. We're all sinners; if you want to boycott every single business that is involved in sin, you'll have to boycott them all. There are some companies I won't knowingly support, like Disney and the NFL; you'll have to decide for yourself what your limits are.
 
Consider two apparently contradictory admonitions in Proverbs;

Pro_26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Pro_26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

It is not so much a "line" that is crossed but an assessment of if one is at risk for being drawn into foolishness or if one might be able to help.

There is a danger in that one might allow their association to become an endorsement.

Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
 
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Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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He’s saying don’t be partakers in gods wrath with those who live as he has been describing

“Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He says these types of things in every letter

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption;

but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭6:7-9‬ ‭

most single verses can be fully understood by examining the context of what’s being said before and after and what’s repeated in other scripture . It’s pauls warning and call to repentance and good actions rather than bad actions and attitudes
 
timemeddler said:
Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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stand firm with ?Father and Son as won for you as well as everyone else to either beleive Sonn is risen or not for you to be able to enter the throne of grace confidently, thanks to Son for you. God will train you in love and mercy given you. It is the love and mercy of God that wins period. Love to all
Evil cannot handle true love. Does not know how to respond
The Love of God 1 Cor 13:4-7, over comes evil always. That began in Son for us all to trust Father to do the same as Jesus did all that way to that cross once for us all to love all
in theOld First Testament it was an eye for and eye
Now in the new it is feed them love and mercy of God given to you in risen Son for you. to learn Luke 21:14-15 thank you
And then you will never step over the line, after you have joined with Father and Sn as Won for you too
 
timemeddler said:
Do not be partakers with them. This a question that's been on my mind lately with businesses and organizations that are known lgbtq associates.(Or have any immoral association). In Corinthians we're told to having nothing to do with believers living that way, but paul specifically say that isn't to be applied to the world. I've wondered about were to draw the line, suppose whatever product or service in question isn't readily available elsewhere. In my case a dance club(I know there are those who condemn dance by default, please don't go there.) what scriptures can be applied here, when is the line really crossed?
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Paul makes a clear distinction between separation from sinful acts and isolation from sinful people.

In 1 Corinthians 5 KJV, believers are commanded to separate from professing Christians who live in open sin, but Paul explicitly says this command does not apply to the world, otherwise we would have to leave society altogether.

Ephesians 5 warns against being “partakers” in works of darkness—not against unavoidable association. Scripture consistently allows interaction with unbelievers while forbidding participation, endorsement, or shared identity with sin.

The line is crossed when an activity requires moral compromise, affirms what God condemns, or violates conscience. Where no participation or endorsement is required, Scripture allows liberty governed by wisdom and conscience (Romans 14:23 KJV).

Grace and Peace
 
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God, simply loves us all, saw, sees no one is perfect and requires perfection.
Therefore no one can enter Heaven, since no one is perfect ever. Just sin once and you not in and are not perfect.

Therefore, God Father sent Son to take everyone'e sinful state away, cleanse the deck as forgiven first John 1:29, John 19:30, Col 1:21-23. might want to read all of Colossians like col 3:18 God just loves us all y'all, other that cross would not have ever happened you think
 
Begin, choose belief to God and Son as won for you to be new in love and mercy to all too.
 
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