Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

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Every man on earth has sinned, and therefore every man is guilty of the shed blood of Jesus Christ the righteous.

No argument on that point; guilty under the law or guilty apart from the law, same thing.

We are all a broken people.

Jesus gave His life to guarantee that these misfits could attain eternal life.

Jesus had to make it painfully simple otherwise, we would screw it up and no one would be saved.

Salvation was taken out of our hands; beyond our ability to interfere and belongs to Jesus alone.

Salvation is given to us purely on the basis of our faith in Him.

Your Christian life in response to that free gift is another subject altogether.
 
Peter denied Jesus three times and the others fled in terror when push came to shove.

Yes and none of them made excuses for their sinful behavior and they repented and stopped walking in sinful behavior.

That's much different from modern times where people are told it's all good, they are still saved even as they continue in their sinful behavior.
 
No one can be misunderstanding nor falsely presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ, by quoting the gospel words of Jesus Christ.

If someone's own gospel rejects Jesus' gospel words, then their gospel is not the gospel of Jesus Christ:

Gal 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another;


Correct. And no man is saved without faith in His resurrection, and not only in His crucifixion.

Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.




Faith in the crucifixion alone is a false gospel. Neither Paul, nor any apostle of Jesus Christ, only preached His crucifixion alone.

Gal 1:6
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.




Correct. But without His resurrection from the dead, His sacrificed body remains in the grave today.

Your gospel of crucifixion alone, is not the gospel of Jesus Christ:

1 Cor 15:2
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

That's a better post.

Your correct that the death and the resurrection are the gospel.

But the reconciliation based on His shed blood is His life for our eternal lives.

The sacrifice of the perfect lamb fulfilled the requirement of an unblemished lamb that the law.
Required once a year for the sin of the people and performed by the high priest.

That is, the atonement for our sin is solely based on His death for us, His blood.

The resurrection was the proof of His power over sin and death.

Death could not keep it's grip on the conqueror of death itself, our Lord Jesus Christ.

I will use your quotation shown below and add the important first verse.

Start of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

End of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

The death and resurrection is the sole cause of our salvation.

There is nothing you or anyone else could possibly do to be saved.

Everything is from above including your faith and everything you think or do.
 
Yes and none of them made excuses for their sinful behavior and they repented and stopped walking in sinful behavior.

That's much different from modern times where people are told it's all good, they are still saved even as they continue in their sinful behavior.

What you said is not true.

Peter years later was publicly rebuked by Paul at Antioch because Peter had fallen from grace.

Galatians 2:11
But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

The apostles were people just like you and I and human behavior has never changed.

Don't think for one moment that the first century was in any way different from the twenty
first century. People do not change their behavior it is exactly the same.

On the subject of repentance which I hear so often. Most people continue on in many sins
and are involved in a war, a war between the Spirit and the flesh. Repentance is not as
clear cut as you might imagine. Nor do most Christians even realize how much and deep
their sin is.

Anything that is not of faith is sin!
 
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Wow, so you got born again and did not become a new creature in Christ? View attachment 285721

As far as Jesus was concerned I was a new creation and I received that perfect righteousness of Christ, as a gift.

I learned the gospel nearly midway through life so my slate was not clean.

It took me many years to take hold of the Christian life in any kind of fruitful way.

Many more years to discover what loving others and even my enemies actually meant.

Me slow learner.
 
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Peter years later was publicly rebuked by Paul at Antioch because Peter had fallen from grace.

But he was not living in a state of being a backslider in between when he denied the Lord and was playing religious games with the Jews.


Most people continue on in many sins
and are involved in a war, a war between the Spirit and the flesh.

Yeah the ones who don't forsake their sin and are playing games with God.


Repentance is not as
clear cut as you might imagine.

I go by what God says repentance is, not by what carnal man made religion claims it is.

They claim one is still saved even as they are living in sin supposedly "fighting" against sin.

Romans 7 man is not a born again man since he says he is sold under sin.

Those of us who have been born again are new creatures in Christ Jesus, old things have passed away and all things are become new and are of God. Real Christians walk after the Spirit, the tares walk after the flesh still claiming to be Christians.



As far as Jesus was concerned I was a new creation

Was?



Me slow learner.

You had poor leaders in your church then.

You should have been taught hell fire and brimstone like I was.

That gets people fired up to either stop living in sin or to give up all together and go live in sin

The Lord does not like those that are lukewarm so people need to either poop or get off the pot!

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Ah, it isn't the best thing to be against Phd's, they are doctors for a reason. The scriptures have scribes which are very well learned, scholars of the Bible.

Anyways, I encourage you to be open to what Dr. Criag shared. But you know who else agrees with Dr. Criag?

Your John Calvin... on Ephesians 2:8-9

"he does not mean that faith is the gift of God, but that salvation is given to us by God, or, that we obtain it by the gift of God.” - John Calvin




Yeah when they present themselves as "doctor" you know right up front they are slingin false doctrine

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

"and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" is clearly speaking of faith.

NO faith = NO grace = NO salvation

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.



Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
 
Ah, it isn't the best thing to be against Phd's, they are doctors for a reason.

Yeah, they are highly educated in the darkened wisdom of mankind and are able to deceive most people quite convincingly.

If they went to seminary or bible college then they are purveyors of false doctrine as they were trained to be.

I for one won't be honoring anybody claiming to be doctor, pastor or teacher as these people expect others to not have their own relationship with the Lord and instead bow down to their massive so called intelligence which is one of satan's favorite avenue in which to deceive the masses.

Matthew 23:7-12
And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Job 32:21 KJV
Let me not, I pray you, accept any man’s person,
neither let me give "Flattering Titles" unto man.
For I know NOT to give "Flattering Titles;"
in so doing my maker would soon take me away.
 
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But he was not living in a state of being a backslider in between when he denied the Lord and was playing religious games with the Jews.




Yeah the ones who don't forsake their sin and are playing games with God.




I go by what God says repentance is, not by what carnal man made religion claims it is.

They claim one is still saved even as they are living in sin supposedly "fighting" against sin.

Romans 7 man is not a born again man since he says he is sold under sin.

Those of us who have been born again are new creatures in Christ Jesus, old things have passed away and all things are become new and are of God. Real Christians walk after the Spirit, the tares walk after the flesh still claiming to be Christians.





Was?





You had poor leaders in your church then.

You should have been taught hell fire and brimstone like I was.

That gets people fired up to either stop living in sin or to give up all together and go live in sin

The Lord does not like those that are lukewarm so people need to either poop or get off the pot!

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It is odd that you said.

"You should have been taught hell fire and brimstone like I was"

That's exactly the sermons I sat under in my first two years in church.

I ended up with a deep fear of God without much else.

When that minister departed the new minister put the emphasis on life in the Holy Spirit.

Two completely different versions of the gospel.

One was the blood of Christ, repentance, brimstone, and a some measure of Calvinism.

The other relied heavily on the power and leading of the Holy Spirit.

Take your pick which church you would attend.
 
But he was not living in a state of being a backslider in between when he denied the Lord and was playing religious games with the Jews.




Yeah the ones who don't forsake their sin and are playing games with God.




I go by what God says repentance is, not by what carnal man made religion claims it is.

They claim one is still saved even as they are living in sin supposedly "fighting" against sin.

Romans 7 man is not a born again man since he says he is sold under sin.

Those of us who have been born again are new creatures in Christ Jesus, old things have passed away and all things are become new and are of God. Real Christians walk after the Spirit, the tares walk after the flesh still claiming to be Christians.





Was?





You had poor leaders in your church then.

You should have been taught hell fire and brimstone like I was.

That gets people fired up to either stop living in sin or to give up all together and go live in sin

The Lord does not like those that are lukewarm so people need to either poop or get off the pot!

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Your posts reflect the teaching that you sat under.

May I remind you that tree must bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit or it is cut down
and thrown into the furnace.

Here is the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

We are ambassadors for Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:18
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us
the ministry of reconciliation.

We do not generate a holy life, a loving life, a joyful life in Christ through a perfect repentance.

We rely completely on the Holy Spirit to regenerate us.

We boast in Christ and nothing else.
 
That's exactly the sermons I sat under in my first two years in church.

I ended up with a deep fear of God without much else.

If you didn't repent of your sins and start living holy before the Lord then your pastor didn't make a very big impression on you



When that minister departed the new minister put the emphasis on life in the Holy Spirit.

Two completely different versions of the gospel.

So the second pastor failed to teach repentance.

He must have been one of those God mockers who claim people can live in sin and still go to Heaven.



and a some measure of Calvinism.

No, if the first guy was teaching calvinism he would have told the congregation that God decided some of them would burn in hell long before they were ever born and they have no chance for salvation.


Take your pick which church you would attend.

It's supposed to be both because God's Word does teach hell fire and brimstone as well as being led by the Holy Spirit.

Those not being led by the Holy Spirit are on their way to hell fire and brimstone




May I remind you that tree must bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit or it is cut down
and thrown into the furnace.

Yes and when one understands that those not abiding IN Christ bearing fruit as Jesus taught in John 15 are thrown in to hell fire and brimstone, they'll quit playing games with the Lord and quit being sinners and start submitting themselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit which is always based on what God has said in His Word.


We do not generate a holy life, a loving life, a joyful life in Christ through a perfect repentance.

I see it's all good if we keep a little sin in our lives.

That's the kind of hypocrisy that causes many out in the world to conclude Christianity is a joke because so called "christians" who go around proudly proclaiming they are still sinners are a joke because they refuse to put off the old man and put on the New Man and keep living as carnal minded religious fools

Before I got saved I used to party and I knew kids that claimed to be "christians" and they got drunk, smoked dope, and slept around with the girls just like all us hetherns. They were hypocrites and I'm glad to have seen that because I knew right away how to NOT be once I became a Christian.

Sounds like he is quoting from Jonathan Edward's sermon; "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God".

Yeah but most of those old guys were calvinists who were ignorant of the whole counsel of God as they specialized in being cherry pickers and scripture twisters which is what calvinists do just like their daddy the devil.
 
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Just curious, didn't Jesus say you can't serve two master for you will hate one and love the other

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
 
Just curious, didn't Jesus say you can't serve two master for you will hate one and love the other

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

You just answered your own question so no further curiosity needed.
 
If you didn't repent of your sins and start living holy before the Lord then your pastor didn't make a very big impression on you





So the second pastor failed to teach repentance.

He must have been one of those God mockers who claim people can live in sin and still go to Heaven.





No, if the first guy was teaching calvinism he would have told the congregation that God decided some of them would burn in hell long before they were ever born and they have no chance for salvation.




It's supposed to be both because God's Word does teach hell fire and brimstone as well as being led by the Holy Spirit.

Those not being led by the Holy Spirit are on their way to hell fire and brimstone






Yes and when one understands that those not abiding IN Christ bearing fruit as Jesus taught in John 15 are thrown in to hell fire and brimstone, they'll quit playing games with the Lord and quit being sinners and start submitting themselves to the leading of the Holy Spirit which is always based on what God has said in His Word.




I see it's all good if we keep a little sin in our lives.

That's the kind of hypocrisy that causes many out in the world to conclude Christianity is a joke because so called "christians" who go around proudly proclaiming they are still sinners are a joke because they refuse to put off the old man and put on the New Man and keep living as carnal minded religious fools

Before I got saved I used to party and I knew kids that claimed to be "christians" and they got drunk, smoked dope, and slept around with the girls just like all us hetherns. They were hypocrites and I'm glad to have seen that because I knew right away how to NOT be once I became a Christian.



Yeah but most of those old guys were calvinists who were ignorant of the whole counsel of God as they specialized in being cherry pickers and scripture twisters which is what calvinists do just like their daddy the devil.
Are you saying that no Calvinist is born again?
 
Yeah when they present themselves as "doctor" you know right up front they are slingin false doctrine

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

"and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" is clearly speaking of faith.

NO faith = NO grace = NO salvation

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.



Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
You will give an account of every idle word that you have said. Keep that in mind when you ignorantly slander God's people. Having a doctorate does not make anyone a believer, neither does it make them false. Remember that Satan is the accuser of the brethren.
 
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Are you saying that no Calvinist is born again?

Are you saying heresy is not one of the works of the flesh?

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


You will give an account of every idle word that you have said. Keep that in mind when you ignorantly slander God's people. Having a doctorate does not make anyone a believer, neither does it make them false. Remember that satan is the accuser of the brethren.

You'll give an account for supporting heresy.

God's Word contains many warnings for those following false doctrine which is not the same as satan accusing the brethren. Those following false doctrine have departed from the faith to follow doctrines of demons and are no long "brethren" except in the satanic churches.

Hint - it's ends badly bud, so you might want to REPENT of the darkness you've embraced and embrace the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ by accepting the whole counsel of God and quit being a cherry picker and a scripture twister agree.gif
 
Are you saying heresy is not one of the works of the flesh?

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.




You'll give an account for supporting heresy.

God's Word contains many warnings for those following false doctrine which is not the same as satan accusing the brethren. Those following false doctrine have departed from the faith to follow doctrines of demons and are no long "brethren" except in the satanic churches.

Hint - it's ends badly bud, so you might want to REPENT of the darkness you've embraced and embrace the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ by accepting the whole counsel of God and quit being a cherry picker and a scripture twister View attachment 285788
I rest my case. Matthew 12:36 & 37 You remain self condemned.
But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”