Enter in at the strait gate

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justme I never had any doubt for I am afrikaans and it says enter into the NARROW entrance/gate/port if I translate it directly... Gaan in deur die nou poort. Enter into the narrow port... So it is true, and narrrow indeed, only holy and absolute pureness can enter, is it not so?

Beautiful thank you.
 
Cobus said:
justme I never had any doubt for I am afrikaans and it says enter into the NARROW entrance/gate/port if I translate it directly... Gaan in deur die nou poort. Enter into the narrow port... So it is true, and narrrow indeed, only holy and absolute pureness can enter, is it not so?

Beautiful thank you.
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John 10:7- Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep

John 10:9- I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Hebrews 11:6- But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
 
Cobus said:
Seabass repenting is the striving.... Some do not repent all sin they might as well not repent at all it is them that are NOT ABLE to enter, only the ones that REPENT FULLY as the Holy Spirit leads will enter... ONLY SAINTS can enter.... Saints are 100% repented to be: most holy one, (completely sanctified) Physically pure (as pure as God is pure) and morally blameless ( not doing sin as God does not do sin) but then the Saints need to be perfect BEFORE God will use them for HIS PURPOSE... Amen!
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My point is that one has NO hope of having eternal life if he does not enter the strait gate, but entering that strait gate that leads to life requires striving.
 
SeaBass said:
My point is that one has NO hope of having eternal life if he does not enter the strait gate, but entering that strait gate that leads to life requires striving.
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so what do you do sit at the gate opening, and strive to get inside. but never make it to the end?
 
Isn't it interesting that the idea that one has to make an effort to "do" something is an anathema to many people regarding the means to obtain eternal life.

Jesus said to strive, ie. "make an effort" and somehow that is turned upside down by people to mean "make an effort to do nothing except believe in something."

The "work" or "effort" Jesus is speaking about is clearly within the context of taking action to actually "do" what Jesus taught. If one wants to live then that one must forsake evil (repent) and follow God which means do as He teaches.

The fornication stops. The stealing stops. The lusting stops. The service of self at the expense of others stops.

How does it stop? Simple. By agreeing with God about sin and rebellion and turning from it. Turning from sin to righteousness and through doing that the power of God is made manifest through us. It takes effort. It takes diligence.

Not effort apart from God. Not effort in a vacuum of self isolation. Rather effort done in cooperation with God as we lean on His influence and power and allow it to manifest through us, yet it is effort on our part nevertheless. The influence and power of God is all around us and is clearly manifested through our consciences. Any person choosing making an effort to do that which they know is right is submitting themselves in some way to the influence of God. What God requires is that we submit ourselves "wholeheartedly" to Him "all the time." This is why Jesus taught about "dying to live" for we must die to self in order to live for God. Those who will lose their lives for the sake of Christ will find their life, the real life which is in the Spirit of Christ.

We make an effort to resist temptation as we refuse to allow the flesh to rule over us. We make the effort required of not submitting our flesh to selfishness but choose the spiritual road whereby we feed our spirit instead of gratifying physical/mental lusts. In doing this we love God with all our heart, soul and mind and love our neighbour as ourselves and thus fulfill the righteousness of the law just as Paul wrote in Romans. It is the Spirit of life IN Jesus Christ whereby we find the success of this path.

There is no such thing as "believing in Jesus" whilst one does not fulfill the righteousness of the law via abiding in the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ. One cannot serve sin and at the same time fulfill the righteousness of the law through the Spirit at the same time.

Those who reject "doing" and "striving" and "obeying" and supplant such things with mere "belief" are promoting the idea that a human being has a dual aspect where the spirit is intrinsically separated from the deeds which flow out of that spirit. In other words there are those who believe that evil deeds can be produced which are not connected to an inherent righteousness of the spirit.

There are people who actually believe that righteousness and purity are an abstraction totally disconnected from actual conduct and due to this will subtly yet vehemently defend the idea one can engage in wicked conduct and yet remain positionally righteous. These beliefs are most often found amongst the adherents to Calvinist theology because Calvinist theology focuses on righteousness being as applying to a forensic credit as opposed to applying to a transformation from the heart. Due to this people who follow these teachings end up rejecting the aspect of "heart transformation" which is essential to a genuine salvation experience and also reject many of the things which are essential to a heart transformation taking place such as "striving," "doing," and "genuine repentance."

Thus due to all this we must all be diligent and make sure we seek out the truth and follow that truth and not be lured into complacency and error because of the doctrine of men which pervade the world. When Jesus taught "strive to enter into the strait gate that leads to life" and that "few" would do so He meant it.

Very "few" people in a relative sense (compared to the majority) are going to be saved. It is only the few who take Jesus seriously and make every effort to abide in His teachings and thus do exactly as He taught.
 
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SeaBass said:
Sitting (doing nothing) and striving (working) are opposites.
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again you go off in circles.

I did not ask this, I said do we strive outside the gate, but do not get to enter until the end.

it is a yes or no answer just like yesterday, if you were not so afraid, you would just say so..
 
Bookends said:
John 10:7-Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep

John 10:9-I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

Hebrews 11:6- But without faithit is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
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Bookie, do you have faith? You cannot have for you disagree that faith is BY HEARING THE WORD OF GOD, and you do not listen! You hear but you do not, you see but you do not. You seek but find not. You want to justify your sin by NOT believing that ONLY HOLY PEOPLE SEE GOD. Only sinless people SEE and KNOW God. The diligently SEEK is REPENTANCE... Faith is FIRS repentance.... There is NO FAITH in a sinner, NONE! Faith worketh REPENTANCE and AFTER the faith comes the SEE AND REWARD.... That reward? THE HOLY SPIRIT and God Himself is the reward. Look God REWARDS those that diligently seek Him. Do you kneo that the reward if GOD HIMSELF? IN YOU!

Oh and I thought Eternally freatful said there is NO WORK to find God, is SEEK not work? It is but EG has something right, we would not have seeked God is HE DID NOT LOVE US FIRST....

Bookie you think you have faith and you believe GOD IS... Look who please God and tell how would they EVER be this righteous without FAITH AND SPIRIT AND TRUTH.... Look Bookie these righteous is as righteous as God is rigteous,,,,And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

By your own admission you say you are NOT righteous but sinner, and ALL who have faith, is righteous, as God is righteous. Like this... Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
If God fills a perso nwith the fruits of righteousness (all good works), there is no BAD apples (sin) in that person. It is filled with God Himslef.

Bookie are you through the narrow gate? What is on the other side? Can a person be not born of God and be on the other side? If a person is through the narrow gate is he not in ABSOLUTE godliness and holiness? Is that person not PERFECT? If not why go through the gate if it is all the same on the other side?

See Bookie I would not even strive to enter through if the ohter side is not GODLY and Absolute different that ehis side. But I know, what is on the other side.... ME IN GOD! And I cannot be on that side, if He is not in this side IN ME.... Or else this body will be DEAD! No soul, not life, no Spirit not life... Body needs Spirit (God's) to live holy and SOUL (heart ALSO God's) to keep HIS WILL.... And God does this with the REBIRTH of Christ into ALL HIS CHILDREN... BORN OF GOD WITH THE SEED OF GOD (God's Spirit and soul) in the flesh and YOU IN HIM...


There is NO OTHER doctrine NO OTHER.
 
Skinski7 said:
Isn't it interesting that the idea that one has to make an effort to "do" something is an anathema to many people regarding the means to obtain eternal life.

Jesus said to strive, ie. "make an effort" and somehow that is turned upside down by people to mean "make an effort to do nothing except believe in something."

Very "few" people in a relative sense (compared to the majority) are going to be saved. It is only the few who take Jesus seriously and make every effort to abide in His teachings and thus do exactly as He taught.
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Very well said. I have always said that one needs to live their salvation. It is NOT a thing of the past. Salvation is every day since the new birth in Christ Jesus. Paul dies daily and Jesus said if anyone would come after Him, that they needed to carry their cross daily.

Strait contains tribulation.

Romans 5:1-5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand , and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed ; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Revelation1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 
just-me said:
Very well said. I have always said that one needs to live their salvation. It is NOT a thing of the past.
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it is a HUGE difference to say

1. one must work to earn salvation
2. One must live their salvation by working.

notice the words are just switched a tiny bit, the meanings are polar opposite.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

again you go off in circles.

I did not ask this, I said do we strive outside the gate, but do not get to enter until the end.

it is a yes or no answer just like yesterday, if you were not so afraid, you would just say so..
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You posted "so what do you do sit at the gate opening, and strive to get inside. but never make it to the end?"


I cannot both sit and strive at the same time. I can sit at the gate and do nothing and therefore NEVER enter the gate that leads to life. It takes striving to enter the gate that leads to life

Jesus said one strives to enter the gate.....no striving = no entering = no life
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.


Your "analogy" from yesterday was simply convoluted.
 
SeaBass said:
You posted "so what do you do sit at the gate opening, and strive to get inside. but never make it to the end?"


I cannot both sit and strive at the same time. I can sit at the gate and do nothing and therefore NEVER enter the gate that leads to life. It takes striving to enter the gate that leads to life

Jesus said one strives to enter the gate.....no striving = no entering = no life
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.


Your "analogy" from yesterday was simply convoluted.
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lol.. So I do not sit there. But it is hard to get in.. I do not think you know what you believe.

your either inside the gate, or your outside the gate. Make up your mind.
 
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Sitting comes first s we learn first to rest in our position in Christ...then we work/fight etc.
 
crossnote said:
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Sitting comes first s we learn first to rest in our position in Christ...then we work/fight etc.
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I see no sitting in either verse.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

again you go off in circles.

I did not ask this, I said do we strive outside the gate, but do not get to enter until the end.

it is a yes or no answer just like yesterday, if you were not so afraid, you would just say so..
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This is NOT circles. You are asking that we take everything scripture says legalistically, and it just isn't going to happen. You have a set way of thinking of work, you say don't work because it is faith only and faith isn't work. Scripture is not fitting into your mindset, but it never will. You will have to come to scripture using the Holy Spirit as you read.

You have to work. Work will not save you. It is only through Christ we can work as God says. Faith without works is simply dead faith and gets you nowhere. Works without faith is simply dead work and gets you no where. If you don't understand that all of these things are equally so, you just aren't understanding and all I can say is get on your knees.
 
crossnote said:
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 6:10-11 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Sitting comes first s we learn first to rest in our position in Christ...then we work/fight etc.
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people do not understand the fact you must learn first. then (as your faith grows) you are empowered.

We are not saved super mature Christians, We are saved as babes in Christ. A baby must learn. He is helpless without his parents.
 
SeaBass said:
Again, a person cannot sit and strive at the same time as you suggested.
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That was not the point.

Do we agonize (the greek word strive is agonizomi, where we get our word agonize) to get into the gate, or do we sit outside the gate trying to get in? but never make it inside the gate until the end (when we die and our salvation is complete, as many here proclaim!
 
RedTent said:
This is NOT circles. You are asking that we take everything scripture says legalistically, and it just isn't going to happen. You have a set way of thinking of work, you say don't work because it is faith only and faith isn't work. Scripture is not fitting into your mindset, but it never will. You will have to come to scripture using the Holy Spirit as you read.
You have to work. Work will not save you. It is only through Christ we can work as God says. Faith without works is simply dead faith and gets you nowhere. Works without faith is simply dead work and gets you no where. If you don't understand that all of these things are equally so, you just aren't understanding and all I can say is get on your knees.
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Non responsive..

This whole post comes from a serious lack of understanding of my belief. And what myself and those like me teach.

We come as babes. We agonized over self and struggled to get rid of self so we could come to Christ as babes, totally helpless and unable to do anything. At this point, God led us INTO THE GATE,

It was there that we learned as babes. Worked and struggled to grow (as a child) and did what was needed to mature in Christ.

legalism says we can not enter the gate until we do work, and then maybe not make it. Or it says when we get in the gate, we sgtep out of that gate and in many times, Hopefully when we come to the end, we are on the inside, and not the out.

If you do not desire to understand what someone thinks. I recommend you do not bother responding to what they say, Your post shows a complete lack of understanding. period.
 
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